WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.760 --> 00:00:08.000 I am transgender. When I saw that Trump was winning tonight, 2 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:10.160 I came to a realization. 3 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:13.119 Which was that I was terrified as there would be 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:17.799 people empowered by this election who would want to hurt me. 5 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.280 This is one of the day for our country. It's 6 00:00:20.360 --> 00:00:21.639 wonderful day for patriots. 7 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:23.480 Love constitution. 8 00:00:24.560 --> 00:00:27.480 So my TikTok family. So I just had a very 9 00:00:27.520 --> 00:00:33.199 difficult conversation with my daughters. One is crying and I 10 00:00:33.360 --> 00:00:36.040 had to keep telling her It's going to be okay. 11 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:42.520 Dear listener, geig egdy them. This week has been quite 12 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:45.440 a moment that our country is still processing. 13 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:49.519 NBC News can now project that Donald Trump's he is 14 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.920 the winner of this race and returned to the White House, 15 00:00:52.040 --> 00:00:54.240 is this country's forty seventh president. 16 00:00:55.040 --> 00:00:57.640 One of the very important keys to Donald Trump's victory 17 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:01.960 was getting a larger share of votes from tinos or CBOs. 18 00:01:02.120 --> 00:01:05.679 Donald Trump will be President of the United States again. 19 00:01:07.440 --> 00:01:10.039 This is the same candidate who began his run for 20 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:13.600 the White House by insulting Mexican immigrants in twenty fifteen 21 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:16.759 and allowed Puerto Rico to be called an island full 22 00:01:16.800 --> 00:01:20.840 of garbage just a few days ago. This election cycle, 23 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:24.360 Trump used lies and hate speech to win over voters, 24 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:28.759 survived two assassination attempts, and will return to office as 25 00:01:28.800 --> 00:01:33.080 a convicted felon after a stunning victory with an impressive 26 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:37.080 larger support from Latinos and Latina voters than in twenty 27 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:41.560 sixteen and in twenty twenty. But considering what we at 28 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:45.480 Futuro Media have seen on the ground, this result is 29 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:50.000 not totally unexpected. For the past year, we've been bringing 30 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:53.280 you different stories as part of our special election coverage, 31 00:01:53.320 --> 00:01:56.520 which we called the Latino Factor How We Vote. We 32 00:01:56.600 --> 00:02:00.400 covered the key issues impacting this election, and with each 33 00:02:00.440 --> 00:02:03.560 story we were able to sense that Latinos and Latinas 34 00:02:03.880 --> 00:02:09.799 were trending towards the right, towards Donald Trump, and we acknowledged, 35 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.360 of course, that our community is not and has never 36 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:16.079 been a monolith. There are Latinos and Latinas who are 37 00:02:16.200 --> 00:02:19.480 overjoyed that Donald Trump will have another term in office, 38 00:02:20.040 --> 00:02:22.400 and there are many of us who are in fear, 39 00:02:22.880 --> 00:02:25.880 who are angry, and who are preparing for the worst. 40 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:29.959 So today we're going to start off our show by 41 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.240 taking you on my very own journey on election Day, 42 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:40.560 and then we're going to analyze just how we got here. Now, 43 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.840 while for many people, election day ended on a dark 44 00:02:43.880 --> 00:02:48.640 note here in Harlem, in my community, it didn't start 45 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:54.440 that way. Well, it's five twenty eight and I just 46 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:58.000 woke up two minutes before my alarm is set to 47 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:02.399 go off. Dear listener, It's November fifth, It's election day, 48 00:03:03.200 --> 00:03:06.400 and I didn't sleep well because, like many of you 49 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.240 across the country, I was anxious. I kept on tossing 50 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.720 and turning. But you know, here we are today's day. 51 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.760 It is five point fifty seven. 52 00:03:18.200 --> 00:03:20.720 Walking out the door, so I'm heading off to my 53 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:24.079 Pulling precinct, and you know, I've got a little skip 54 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:27.960 in my walk because i live in Harlem, a historically 55 00:03:28.040 --> 00:03:32.000 black community, and a black woman is running for the presidency. 56 00:03:32.760 --> 00:03:37.200 And it's a beautiful day. Oh my gosh, it's beautiful 57 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:38.520 out here. Wow. 58 00:03:38.600 --> 00:03:40.840 Okay, So pulling up to the precinct, which is actually 59 00:03:40.920 --> 00:03:43.760 a school, I see that there's like maybe a dozen 60 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.760 people ahead of me. Yo, y'all are some serious early birds? 61 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:51.640 Are you excited about quoting? Today? Everybody up to vote 62 00:03:51.640 --> 00:03:53.840 this morning? Love that? 63 00:03:54.600 --> 00:03:59.880 And now it's my turn to vote. We have just 64 00:04:00.160 --> 00:04:04.240 in the ballot, so the mission is accomplished, and I'm 65 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.600 feeling relieved. I'm feeling excited about the day, and I 66 00:04:07.920 --> 00:04:09.160 you know, I want to talk to some of the 67 00:04:09.200 --> 00:04:11.480 folks out here, see how they're doing. How are you 68 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:18.080 feeling about today. I'm optimistic Kawana Malloyd, though she's letting 69 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:21.000 on that she's feeling a sense of dread too. You 70 00:04:21.080 --> 00:04:25.400 seeing election boxes being blown up and things like that. So, yeah, 71 00:04:25.640 --> 00:04:29.279 Kawana is talking about ballot boxes being set on fire 72 00:04:29.320 --> 00:04:33.120 in Washington State and in Oregon. But it didn't mean 73 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:34.760 that that was going to stop her from coming out 74 00:04:34.760 --> 00:04:37.360 here to vote. And it didn't stop forty two year 75 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:39.800 old Robert he didn't want to tell us his last name. 76 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:40.080 Though. 77 00:04:40.440 --> 00:04:43.720 It was about protecting the rights of women, them having 78 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.560 a choice of voice in terms of automoy to their 79 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.599 own bodies and things like that, most importantly, and it 80 00:04:49.640 --> 00:04:52.880 didn't stop Ramon Bargas, who's ninety one years old, who 81 00:04:52.880 --> 00:04:55.320 told me that his primary issue for coming out to 82 00:04:55.400 --> 00:05:06.800 vote was defending women's rights. He thinks that if a 83 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:10.880 woman's life is in danger, abortion should be a legal option. 84 00:05:11.400 --> 00:05:14.680 So I'm just remaining cool, calm. 85 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:19.400 So like you, dear listener, you were probably feeling excited, 86 00:05:19.520 --> 00:05:23.600 maybe feeling cool and calm on election day, but as 87 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:27.440 the day progressed, that feeling would dissipate and the day 88 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:37.200 would become much darker. From futuro Media and PRX it's 89 00:05:37.320 --> 00:05:41.480 Latino Usa, I'm Mariao Hosa Today, a special episode on 90 00:05:41.520 --> 00:05:45.960 this week's historic election in collaboration with Futuro Media's In 91 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:56.640 the Thick podcast, So Dear listener. Around the same time 92 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.600 that I was waking up on election Day, so were 93 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.320 the concer struction workers in the battleground state of Pennsylvania 94 00:06:03.880 --> 00:06:07.839 with its nineteen electoral votes. Whoever gets this state will 95 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:17.680 likely win this election. Sehio, a construction worker, is the 96 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:22.840 father of two US citizens his children, and today he's 97 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.280 getting ready to go to work. But on this day, 98 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:30.760 producer Ariel Goodman is visiting him in his home. Seedho 99 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.840 is originally from Mexico. He's worked for twenty years building 100 00:06:35.080 --> 00:06:39.800 the city of Philadelphia lane sheet rock, fixing houses. But 101 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:44.680 while his hands have helped build this city, he's actually 102 00:06:44.760 --> 00:06:47.760 unable to cast a vote to determine its future, to 103 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:59.440 determine his family's future system we pull up to Sejo's 104 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.520 work site today. It's a house that has been gutted 105 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:07.000 down to the bones. Sehio tells us that he's worried 106 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.720 about what a future could look like under Donald Trump, 107 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.239 who has promised a sweeping mass deportation campaign. 108 00:07:14.840 --> 00:07:23.800 Reportation poor K's come. 109 00:07:23.640 --> 00:07:35.360 On, Serio says, deportation destroys you psychologically. Then Setio's wife, 110 00:07:35.400 --> 00:07:40.000 Maria says the hate from Trump only makes her stronger. 111 00:07:47.280 --> 00:07:51.160 Maria says that strength is in our dna. We learn 112 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:53.120 to survive no matter where we are. 113 00:07:57.960 --> 00:08:01.920 Hia, Yes, valor forstems. 114 00:08:03.880 --> 00:08:07.760 As election day unfolds. Another place on people's minds is 115 00:08:07.880 --> 00:08:12.560 the state of Florida. This past May, a six week 116 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:16.160 abortion ban went into effect in the state of Florida. Now, 117 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.000 that is one of the strictest bands in the nation, 118 00:08:19.640 --> 00:08:22.600 and it sparked a political fight in the state that 119 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.480 involved a lot of Latinos and Latinas. So I'm calling 120 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.880 dere saguzmain at Florida Rising, which is a statewide political 121 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:37.360 organization dedicated to building power in communities of color. So 122 00:08:37.640 --> 00:08:40.920 it is now ten thirty nine in the morning on 123 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:44.280 the East Coast. Can you tell us what that feels 124 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.760 like in terms of Saint Petersburg, Florida, where you are 125 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:49.560 right now, We have. 126 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:55.360 Been able to build a coalition of people that are Latino, Black, 127 00:08:55.920 --> 00:09:00.120 all kinds of folk really invested in this idea that 128 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:04.040 we all have bodily autonomy and that we believe that 129 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:05.439 our laws should reflect that. 130 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.880 If Florida voters vote for Amendment four, they would overturn 131 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:15.880 the six week abortion ban. Chiao Balleerro is with the 132 00:09:16.040 --> 00:09:19.320 National Latina Institute for Reproductive Justice. 133 00:09:19.880 --> 00:09:21.040 She's in Miami. 134 00:09:21.880 --> 00:09:24.040 What we're finding in the work that we're doing in 135 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.160 Spanish speaking communities in very conservative areas is that there 136 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:32.200 is overwhelming support for this, regardless of party affiliation. 137 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.120 Back in New York City, it's early afternoon, it's still 138 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:46.160 a gorgeous day, and I'm going over to Columbia University 139 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.440 for the encampments. This was an open campus. There were 140 00:09:50.520 --> 00:09:53.680 people from the community who would walk through here, parents 141 00:09:53.760 --> 00:09:58.000 and kids, people would walk their dogs like me. So 142 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:02.439 students at Columbia Universe built an encampment on the campus 143 00:10:02.640 --> 00:10:07.439 to protest Israel's war on Gaza and the university's investment 144 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:12.480 in Israel. And ever since then the campus has become closed. 145 00:10:13.040 --> 00:10:15.600 So we have come to talk to some students see 146 00:10:15.640 --> 00:10:19.240 how they're feeling. I ran into Dimitri. He's from the 147 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:23.280 battleground state of Michigan. He voted by absentee ballot. 148 00:10:23.800 --> 00:10:25.960 So how important has what. 149 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:30.000 Happened on this campus in terms of the encampments influencing. 150 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:30.640 You as a student. 151 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.679 I would never begrudge anyone for withholding their vote for 152 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.559 Harris at this point because of the policies in the 153 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:38.599 Middle East. I don't believe in everything that Harris stands for, 154 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.040 but obviously she's getting my vote because the alternative is 155 00:10:43.160 --> 00:10:44.000 not an alternative. 156 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.679 During the primaries, Michigan voters sent a strong message to 157 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:55.439 Democrats about their disapproval of the Biden Harris administration stance 158 00:10:56.040 --> 00:11:00.640 on the war on Gaza by voting uncommitted in those primaries. 159 00:11:03.800 --> 00:11:07.000 It's the middle of election day, and so I called 160 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:08.360 a leader of that movement. 161 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:11.760 My name is Roe Roman. I'm a Georgia state representative, 162 00:11:11.800 --> 00:11:13.480 and I'm speaking to you from Georgia. 163 00:11:13.800 --> 00:11:17.280 Representative Roman is the first Palestinian to ever be elected 164 00:11:17.760 --> 00:11:19.400 to the state government of Georgia. 165 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.199 I want to be clear things are not good now, 166 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:25.560 like with student protesters and police departments coming after them 167 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:28.880 and violently arresting them and violently displacing their encampments and stuff. 168 00:11:28.880 --> 00:11:31.120 For the difference is that it's not on a federal level. Now, 169 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:33.880 take everything you're seeing and not only federalizing it, but 170 00:11:34.040 --> 00:11:36.520 making it even worse. And my worries that under a 171 00:11:36.520 --> 00:11:38.040 Trump presidency, that's what's going to happen. 172 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.720 She tells me she voted for Harris, but then says, 173 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:43.920 regardless of who wins. 174 00:11:44.160 --> 00:11:46.760 We're going to keep pressuring our elected officials. For me, 175 00:11:47.160 --> 00:11:48.440 voting is the beginning of a conversation. 176 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:52.200 But in this election, a group that has been central 177 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:58.640 to that conversation, yet perhaps the most misunderstood group is Yes, 178 00:11:59.160 --> 00:12:03.400 Latinos and Latiness. So I'm going to call Marisa Franco 179 00:12:03.640 --> 00:12:05.000 in Phoenix, Arizona. 180 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.319 I'm the national director from MIHINTA, which is a national 181 00:12:08.760 --> 00:12:13.200 LATINX and Chica next organization fighting for economic, racial, gender, 182 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:14.160 climate justice. 183 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:19.040 Madisa helped to build the coalition of grassroots organizations that 184 00:12:19.400 --> 00:12:23.280 flipped Arizona blue in twenty twenty for the first time 185 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:27.760 in decades. But in this election, the state is projected 186 00:12:27.880 --> 00:12:30.640 to go for Trump, and Mariisa says that for her 187 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.720 community right now, everything is on the line. 188 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:38.560 What's at stake is a full throttle backwards motion. We'll 189 00:12:38.640 --> 00:12:41.280 be fighting to protect things that were won by our 190 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.319 predecessors decades ago. We will be fighting to keep reforms 191 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:50.719 one that weren't enough, and we will be really in 192 00:12:50.800 --> 00:12:53.160 a fight to defend ourselves to prevent more harm. 193 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:57.839 Mariisa is saying that she's feeling like there could be 194 00:12:57.920 --> 00:13:01.240 a Trump victory and that this for Marisa and her 195 00:13:01.280 --> 00:13:02.920 community would be dire. 196 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.719 I understand Trump as a manifestation of a legacy that 197 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.240 is ugly in this country, and I think the changes 198 00:13:09.280 --> 00:13:11.360 that they'll look to do inside of the executive branch 199 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:15.719 and the judicial branch will damn us for decades to come. 200 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.559 It's now getting darker in New York City. The polls 201 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.719 start closing in several states, the results start coming in, 202 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:35.040 and we hear that Florida has been called for Trump, 203 00:13:35.520 --> 00:13:40.760 and that Miami Dade County, which was reliably blue, has 204 00:13:40.880 --> 00:13:44.480 now gone Republican for the first time since nineteen eighty eight. 205 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.440 So my mood is beginning to feel a little bit different. 206 00:13:49.040 --> 00:13:51.400 We're making our way now to the Bronx, to the 207 00:13:51.520 --> 00:13:56.440 South Bronx, specifically to a restaurant named Sona Deekua. 208 00:13:57.920 --> 00:13:58.800 To go talk to. 209 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:03.320 Fernandoadeo is a Trump supporter and is the owner of Sonadgo. 210 00:14:04.040 --> 00:14:06.920 Fernando Matteo and I met back in the nineteen nineties 211 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:10.800 when I was reporting about his work giving toys for guns, 212 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:15.440 but I haven't seen him in a couple of decades. Tonight, 213 00:14:15.640 --> 00:14:18.400 at his restaurant, people can come to the restaurant and 214 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.200 either order a blue plate if they're supporting Harris, or 215 00:14:22.280 --> 00:14:26.120 they can order a red plate if they're supporting Trump. 216 00:14:26.880 --> 00:14:31.040 So why did you decide to have the red dishes 217 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.720 and the blue dishes for Election night? 218 00:14:34.040 --> 00:14:37.880 Trump came to the Bronx a few times, so I 219 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.080 wanted to know where he stood right now. And to 220 00:14:41.160 --> 00:14:44.480 be quite honest with you, we have so more Trump 221 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.360 dishes than we have Camelot dishes. 222 00:14:48.040 --> 00:14:50.520 So what does that say to you about Latinos. 223 00:14:50.040 --> 00:14:50.520 And the Bronx. 224 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:54.440 I think that Latinos are tired of the same rhetoric. 225 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.920 I think that they want something new, they want opportunity, 226 00:14:58.560 --> 00:15:00.520 and they believe that Trump is a that's going to 227 00:15:00.560 --> 00:15:01.440 bring the opportunity. 228 00:15:01.880 --> 00:15:04.040 So to be clear, for Nanda, you're one hundred percent 229 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:06.160 on board with a nasty importation policy. 230 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:08.880 No, no, I'm not on board with anything that's going 231 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.000 to hurt our community. I'm on board with the direction 232 00:15:13.160 --> 00:15:15.200 that I like the country to go in. I'm on 233 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:18.240 board for the economy, I'm on board for opportunity. 234 00:15:19.280 --> 00:15:23.000 Before I leave, Fernando kind of points a finger at 235 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:25.760 me and says he wants to tell me his prediction. 236 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:30.440 I honestly believe that he is going to be president 237 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.320 of the United States, whether. 238 00:15:32.160 --> 00:15:33.280 You like it or not. 239 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.160 It's about ten o'clock. 240 00:15:39.760 --> 00:15:44.040 I'm going to head back home, and it's definitive that 241 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:48.040 Trump is leading now. Of course, nothing feels final, but 242 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:53.120 my excitement from the beginning of the morning. It's definitely changing. 243 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.760 We've got quite a few battlegrounds still pending tonight. 244 00:15:56.880 --> 00:15:59.920 Pennsylvania the biggest prize, eighty four percent of the vote, 245 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.320 and it is too close to Colin. 246 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.040 So I'm home now and I'm getting into bed with 247 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.160 my three puppies. I feel very unsure of what's gonna 248 00:16:11.160 --> 00:16:14.920 happen overnight, and I force myself to close my eyes 249 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.480 and get some sleep. Now, at seven point thirty, I 250 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:20.040 finally decided I had to look and see what happened, 251 00:16:20.040 --> 00:16:21.160 and I'm. 252 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:23.840 Scared and I just don't want to live in fear. 253 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:30.280 Coming up on Latino USA, a much needed roundtable conversation 254 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.480 to dissect what happened. I'll be joined by journalist paul Ramos, 255 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.160 my co host from In the Thick. Also joining me 256 00:16:37.280 --> 00:16:39.640 is Jin Guerrero, an opinion writer for The New York Times, 257 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:42.880 and Jamille Smith, the editor in chief of The Emancipator. 258 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.120 We're gonna look at Trump's victory and how he got here. 259 00:16:46.640 --> 00:16:57.720 Stay with us not by yes, Hey, dear listener, Welcome 260 00:16:57.800 --> 00:17:01.880 back to Latino USA. On this special election episode in 261 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:06.120 collaboration with Futuro Media's political podcast In the Thick, We're 262 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:08.879 going to turn out to our roundtable to unpack the 263 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:13.440 results and how and why Trump was able to reclaim 264 00:17:13.520 --> 00:17:19.600 the presidency with substantial Latino support. We're joined by Gin Guerrero, 265 00:17:19.760 --> 00:17:22.480 journalist and contributing an opinion writer for The New York Times. 266 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:23.920 Welcome back to the show. 267 00:17:23.800 --> 00:17:27.240 Gen, good to be here, Maria, and by Jamil Smith, 268 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:29.000 editor in chief of The Emancipator. 269 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:29.800 Welcome back to. 270 00:17:29.840 --> 00:17:31.520 You, Jamil, Thank you for having me. 271 00:17:32.080 --> 00:17:33.280 And we're going to welcome. 272 00:17:33.080 --> 00:17:36.200 Paula Ramo's journalist and author and one of my co 273 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:39.359 anchors at In the Thick, hey, Madia, And by now 274 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:42.040 everybody knows that Donald Trump has been declared the winner. 275 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:46.160 He surpassed the two hundred and seventy electoral votes needed. 276 00:17:46.760 --> 00:17:49.959 He's becoming the first US president with a felony conviction 277 00:17:50.320 --> 00:17:54.200 and the second one to win a non consecutive reelection. 278 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.040 But let's start the way we always start our politics conversations, 279 00:17:58.080 --> 00:17:59.800 which is with a temperature check. 280 00:18:00.600 --> 00:18:00.879 I e. 281 00:18:01.080 --> 00:18:01.720 How you're feeling. 282 00:18:01.800 --> 00:18:04.600 This is a challenging question, but we're going to start 283 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.840 with you, Jene Gomas. What's your temperature check? 284 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:09.040 Right now? 285 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:13.960 I'm feeling that this is a profoundly dark and depressing moment, 286 00:18:15.040 --> 00:18:18.119 and I'm clear eyed on the fact that this is 287 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:22.000 a victory for fascism. But I refuse to give in 288 00:18:22.080 --> 00:18:25.159 to despair. I wrote a piece recently in response to 289 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.399 the racist comments about Puerto Rico at Madison Square Garden, 290 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:31.800 where I wrote that I learned to be American from 291 00:18:31.840 --> 00:18:34.600 my Puerto Rican mother, who taught me to love this 292 00:18:34.800 --> 00:18:37.840 country and to work hard for this country and to 293 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:41.160 defend the vulnerable in this country. And if I'm being honest, Maddy, 294 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:45.040 it feels very hard to love this country today. But 295 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.600 I am going to choose love, because I know that 296 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:52.680 it's exactly what the demagogues don't want. They don't want 297 00:18:52.800 --> 00:18:54.960 us to keep fighting for a vision of America where 298 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:56.959 all people are created equal. 299 00:18:57.840 --> 00:19:00.639 Also, we know, Gene, that you like to dance and 300 00:19:00.760 --> 00:19:02.760 you like to get on that skateboard, so I know. 301 00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:04.520 That you'll be doing I'm going to be doing a lot. 302 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:08.800 You'll be doing that a lot. Jamille, what's your temperature check? 303 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:10.320 Hot? 304 00:19:11.320 --> 00:19:14.200 Very hot? I would say, both in the terms of 305 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:16.600 being hot headed and the fact that it's more than 306 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:19.680 seventy degrees here in Boston in November, so you know, 307 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:22.760 both in a physical sense and a spiritual sense. I 308 00:19:22.800 --> 00:19:27.680 would say also that despondent is similarly to my friend Gene. 309 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:32.600 I'm also looking for ways to focus this emotion into 310 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:37.760 productive outcomes. And today we have to rest, we have 311 00:19:37.800 --> 00:19:40.840 to grieve, and we have to rebuild and resist, and 312 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:43.880 the amount of time we spend on each of those 313 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.720 things is going to vary depending upon how we feel. 314 00:19:46.840 --> 00:19:48.920 But we do need to make sure that we take 315 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.600 care of ourselves and those we love and those we 316 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.280 care for in those frankly who we represent. 317 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:56.680 Paula, what's your temperature check? 318 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:00.680 Loug Maria I spent watching the results with several mixed 319 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:05.200 status families, young Latinos, US born Latinos whose parents aren't 320 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:07.920 documented moms have DAKA, and I have to tell you, 321 00:20:08.040 --> 00:20:12.040 within three hours, they went from feeling extremely hopeful from 322 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:15.879 finally believing that in Harris there was the possibility of 323 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:19.520 seeing real changes, and then the mood changed completely, and 324 00:20:19.560 --> 00:20:23.080 I think the reality kicked in in a very visceral way, 325 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:28.919 and their faces, some of them, turned into tears because 326 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:30.800 I think even some people that I spoke to were 327 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:35.080 contemplating the possibility of even self deporting, and parents that 328 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:38.000 were thinking about going back to Mexico, and families that 329 00:20:38.080 --> 00:20:42.359 were contemplating separating, moms that were thinking about this question 330 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:45.200 that they hadn't thought since the days of share Jarpaya, 331 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.000 which is who will have custody of my children? And 332 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.440 so it's a lot of mixed emotions, a lot of 333 00:20:51.520 --> 00:20:52.280 mixed emotions. 334 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.159 For me, I'm feeling a lot of responsibility in the 335 00:20:56.280 --> 00:20:58.879 sense of, you know, people turned to Latino USA. They 336 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:02.280 turned to in the thick not only to be educated 337 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:06.040 and informed, but also to kind of receive a light 338 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:11.200 from us. And so I'm pretty gutted although this is not. 339 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.240 I'm not blindsided because our reporting was basically pointing to this. 340 00:21:15.520 --> 00:21:19.360 But I'm giving myself a little bit of grace as 341 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:22.840 we kind of process, because you know, I'm not going anywhere, right, 342 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:26.240 I mean, what's our lemma here is yes. So we're 343 00:21:26.280 --> 00:21:28.960 not going anywhere, and we just have to figure out 344 00:21:29.080 --> 00:21:32.480 how we do better journalism over the next four years. 345 00:21:36.520 --> 00:21:38.000 Let's talk about some of the results. 346 00:21:38.080 --> 00:21:38.199 Right. 347 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.600 Trump managed to swing back states that Biden had won 348 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:47.440 in twenty twenty, including Yes, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, and the 349 00:21:47.560 --> 00:21:51.240 ever important Pennsylvania. But even in states where Kamala Harris 350 00:21:51.320 --> 00:21:54.679 did win, like New Mexico and Virginia, the victory margin 351 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:59.240 was still slimmer than Biden's four years ago, and results 352 00:21:59.280 --> 00:22:03.080 from counties wide have indicated the same thing, essentially a 353 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:06.840 shift to the right. I would say, a shift towards 354 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:09.399 believing in what the right is. 355 00:22:09.560 --> 00:22:13.080 Telling you to believe. Jamille, We're going to start with you. 356 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:15.520 You know, we're hearing that this could be explained by 357 00:22:16.080 --> 00:22:20.160 so many things, right, sexism, racism, because Harris didn't break 358 00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:22.720 with Biden on certain issues, for example, like the cost 359 00:22:22.760 --> 00:22:26.719 of living or GASA. So what's your analysis of how 360 00:22:26.840 --> 00:22:28.280 Trump was able to retake power. 361 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:31.280 Well, first, about Vice President Harris, I certainly think it 362 00:22:31.320 --> 00:22:34.680 was unrealistic to expect her to break with President Biden 363 00:22:34.760 --> 00:22:37.639 on virtually anything. She's still a part of the administration, 364 00:22:37.840 --> 00:22:41.240 She's still trying to achieve the goals of his administration, 365 00:22:41.840 --> 00:22:46.080 and we obviously have incredibly sensitive, to put it mildly 366 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:48.960 situation happening in the Middle East, not just with Israel 367 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.959 and Gaza, but also not Lebanon and all the other 368 00:22:52.040 --> 00:22:55.440 countries that are involved in these conflicts. So to expect 369 00:22:55.520 --> 00:22:59.400 her to radically depart from that, even if it would 370 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:02.280 have been the right right thing to do, certainly I 371 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:07.080 thought was not particularly realistic part of of voters to expect. 372 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:10.359 But I would say this maximizing America's potential as an 373 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:12.639 experiment for me has always been about something that the 374 00:23:12.800 --> 00:23:17.480 founders that clearly never envisioned, and that's forming a multicultural society, 375 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:20.680 you know, that embraces and celebrates the ways in which 376 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:23.679 we are different. So this is an idea that Trump's 377 00:23:23.760 --> 00:23:27.480 voters have soundly rejected. This is not twenty sixteen, This 378 00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:30.399 is not folks voting for their favorite celebrity. No, this 379 00:23:30.520 --> 00:23:33.240 is a person we all know by now, and voters 380 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:36.920 chose him. And listen, the information is out there. There's 381 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:39.399 more information available to human beings that at any other 382 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:42.240 time in the history of the world. And so I 383 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.600 do think that that is a challenge for us as journalists. 384 00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.920 How do we get the right information in front of people, 385 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.359 and how do we help them understand what are facts 386 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:55.600 and not facts? And how do we prevent the next demagogue? 387 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.880 And I got some of this sense from the year 388 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:02.439 long reporting we've been doing for our special coverage here 389 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:05.280 on Latino USA. It's called the Latino Factor, How we Vote. 390 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:10.400 We're talking about specifically the issues that Latinos were saying 391 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:15.720 we're going to impact their vote, abortion, the economy, misinformation, democracy, immigration. 392 00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:19.000 We know now from the exit polls that these issues 393 00:24:19.040 --> 00:24:22.919 indeed determined the vote for thousands of voters around the country, 394 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:25.960 of course, including Latinos. So I want to talk about 395 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.880 Florida for a second. Now, I did spend some time 396 00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:31.840 there just about a month or two before the election, 397 00:24:32.040 --> 00:24:34.800 and so it wasn't a surprise that Donald Trump took 398 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.199 the state. I mean a little bit of a surprise 399 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.639 for Miami Dade to go read. So Trump won Florida 400 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.280 in twenty twenty, and we saw from the data that 401 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:47.120