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<v Speaker 1>On March eighth, twenty eighteen, Women's International Day, mind you,

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<v Speaker 1>I started getting ready for my shift at the Bloomingdal's

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<v Speaker 1>in Beverly Hills, and I did what I always did.

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<v Speaker 1>I blew out my hair, contoured my face, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I sat at the corner of my bed, mustering the

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<v Speaker 1>strength to pull out my black pantyhose and zip up

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<v Speaker 1>what had become my work uniform, the Little Black dress.

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<v Speaker 1>And then something came over me. I opened up my

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<v Speaker 1>laptop and I started to furiously type out an email. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>this is money. Come on, I let's go se Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>from the Bloomy SPEP Center location forty nine point fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>Because my manager has been on leave since October, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know who to bring this up to, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>contacting HR directly. I have to unfortunately quit my position

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<v Speaker 1>as a stylist immediately effective today, best Monica and then

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<v Speaker 1>I had sent That's how I quit working at bloomingdalf.

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<v Speaker 2>From Fudro Media and PRX. It's Latino Usa. I'm mariena

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<v Speaker 2>Hosa today. The unknown history of the iconic little black dress.

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<v Speaker 2>The Little Black Dress aka the LBD has become synonymous

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<v Speaker 2>with the cocktail dress. The LBD can be any style,

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<v Speaker 2>any fabric, but what it will always exude is confidence

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<v Speaker 2>and style. The LBD has been worn by everyone from

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<v Speaker 2>Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Sonya Soto Mayor to

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<v Speaker 2>Princess Diana, and since the nineteen twenties it's gained the

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<v Speaker 2>reputation as the garment of liberation and access to the

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<v Speaker 2>modern world. Ever since then, the LBED has been reliably flattering, seductive,

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<v Speaker 2>and elegant. But it hasn't always been this way. For

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<v Speaker 2>many women, the Little Black Dress has and still is

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<v Speaker 2>a symbol of servitude and of work, because before it

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<v Speaker 2>was the iconic symbol it is now, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>dress only worn by working class white women employed in

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<v Speaker 2>department stores, as well as by black women who worked

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<v Speaker 2>as domestics in the homes of white Americans. In this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>producer Monigat Moralis Garcia shares a lot of experiences that

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<v Speaker 2>she's had with the Little Black Dress. They used to

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<v Speaker 2>wear them to serve mostly white customers when they worked

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<v Speaker 2>at Bloomydale's, and then they ended up researching the origins

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<v Speaker 2>of the Little Black Dress while Mornigatt was in graduate school.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get this twisted. This is not a Cinderella or

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<v Speaker 2>rags to riches story for monicam morelos Garcia.

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<v Speaker 3>No no, no, no, no, no no. This is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Story about the contradictions and the transformations of the little

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<v Speaker 2>black dress. Here's monicam moreles Garcia with the story that

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<v Speaker 2>we first aired in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>I landed a job at Bloomingdale's in the summer of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen. The song This bu See had just come out.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that summer. I needed new clothes before my

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<v Speaker 1>first day of work, so I got myself two little

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<v Speaker 1>black dresses, some black tights, and some sensible yet style

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<v Speaker 1>of shoes, ones that I can stand in all day.

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<v Speaker 1>I was now a stylist, which is just a fancy

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<v Speaker 1>way to say sales associate. But never mind that, and

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<v Speaker 1>for the next eight months, that's all I would wear

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<v Speaker 1>to work. I have never worn so much black in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. My hair would be pulled back or straightened.

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<v Speaker 1>I would never wear my natural curls, and my makeup

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<v Speaker 1>and nails were always done and neat. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought working at Bloomingdale's was a match made in heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a passion for fashion. I needed a job

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<v Speaker 1>and they were hiring. It was kind of perfect. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>worked in retail before, but never a luxury, so I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it'd be different from other retail work. I even

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<v Speaker 1>thought it'd be kind of glamorous.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is this store better than any other store?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what is this thing?

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<v Speaker 4>What on earth could she be talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>A store?

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<v Speaker 4>A store that can reduce an intelligent woman to a slave.

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<v Speaker 4>The store is Bloomingdale's, known to its addicts as Bloomies.

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<v Speaker 1>The blooming Dolls in Beverly Hills is a luxurious place.

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<v Speaker 1>It has three floors. The bottom floor is dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>the men's department. There's moody lighting, the ViBe's aging rock Star,

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<v Speaker 1>and it smells like leather jackets. There's an escalator in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the store, so while you're going up,

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<v Speaker 1>you get a bird's eye view of the layout and

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<v Speaker 1>you can see the seamstress working on suit tailoring from above.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fabulous, and as the sound of her sewing machine

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<v Speaker 1>begins to fade, you're in a completely different part of

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<v Speaker 1>the store. The second floor. This is where the magic happens.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the makeup department, which to now, why I sell

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<v Speaker 1>Tumford or all the expensive stuff there's fine jewelry where

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<v Speaker 1>you could casually order diamonds at the counter and have

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<v Speaker 1>them delivered to your home same day. And then there

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<v Speaker 1>are the bags in the shoes, Gucci, Valentino, Burberry, Balenciaga.

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<v Speaker 1>It's truly a shopping paradise. The escalator takes you up

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<v Speaker 1>one more time, and you're greeted by what seems like

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<v Speaker 1>fifty perfectly styled mannequins, each bright white and shinier than

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<v Speaker 1>the next. And just behind that display was my station,

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<v Speaker 1>about the size of a small bedroom. That's where I

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<v Speaker 1>would greet you and ask what brings you into the

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<v Speaker 1>store today? Do you have any events coming up soon?

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<v Speaker 1>And while all of this is fabulous, that is all

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<v Speaker 1>for the customer, because behind all of the beautiful visual merchandising,

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<v Speaker 1>underneath this little black dress, I can feel beads of

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<v Speaker 1>sweat dripping down my back. My face hurts from smiling,

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<v Speaker 1>my feed from staining all day. But providing service that

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<v Speaker 1>goes above and beyond is the job. And as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as the client is gone, the glamour fades. You go

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<v Speaker 1>back into the fitting room and pick up after them.

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<v Speaker 1>There's Starbucks, cups, empty hangers, the clothes have been all

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<v Speaker 1>left on the floor, crumpled up. And let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>there has been nothing more humbling for me than having

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up someone's hot clothes off the floor. It

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<v Speaker 1>really made me think about the state of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>You shake out the clothes, re steem them, make sure

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<v Speaker 1>there's no makeup on the neckline, and then place them

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<v Speaker 1>back into the stock room, over and over again, no complaining.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on your feet the whole time. If you dare

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<v Speaker 1>to sit, security will see you on the cameras and

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<v Speaker 1>your phone overring, reminding you you're supposed to be standing.

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<v Speaker 1>The job is constantly testing your patience. I'm quitting and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm never coming back.

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<v Speaker 5>This is it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do everything else but that. This is Natalie Garcia.

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<v Speaker 1>We met while working at Blooming Dells together. She used

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<v Speaker 1>to be the manager of BCBG when we met. She

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<v Speaker 1>had been working and met for about a decade. When

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<v Speaker 1>I asked her one of her most memorable stories from

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<v Speaker 1>her time working in retail, she told me about this

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<v Speaker 1>one customer she was probably like in her eighties, and

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted leather biggings, And so Natalie places the leather

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<v Speaker 1>leggings in the fitting room for the woman to try on.

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<v Speaker 1>And as she's leaving to give this woman the space

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<v Speaker 1>to try on those leather leggings, the woman stops her

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<v Speaker 1>and she says, no, no, no, help me. So Natalie

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<v Speaker 1>turns around because it's her job to get this woman

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<v Speaker 1>into those leggings, and so she places each one of

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<v Speaker 1>her legs into those legging holes and Natalie is pulling

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<v Speaker 1>as hard as she can to get this leather over

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<v Speaker 1>this woman's thighs.

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, lifted her and I was sweaty.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally she's able to pull the leggings all the

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<v Speaker 1>way up. And she didn't buy them. She was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like them. She left them there. If you

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<v Speaker 1>talk to people who work in luxury retail, these types

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<v Speaker 1>of stories are plentiful, rich people behaving badly. Haha. The

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<v Speaker 1>stories are funny in retrospect, but it was shocking the

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<v Speaker 1>first time something like this happened to me. Something about

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<v Speaker 1>dressing rich, mostly white women is uncomfortable, especially while you're

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<v Speaker 1>wearing the little black dress your work uniform. You begin

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<v Speaker 1>to wonder, why do I look like I'm her maid?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you're like no, no, no, no, no, I'm overreacting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's literally my job to wear all black, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't show my tattoo on my foot with my grandma's name,

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<v Speaker 1>so the black tights are just practical, and plus it's

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<v Speaker 1>my job to help her. It's literally optics. It's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same time, you're feeling all of the

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<v Speaker 1>race and class dynamics playing out in that moment. So

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<v Speaker 1>nothing is happening, but there's all this subtexts that's like unacknowledged,

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<v Speaker 1>and the customer is probably not thinking about it, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe she is and it's just more polite to say nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe if she just thinks this is the way

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<v Speaker 1>things are. Some people are meant to serve and others

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<v Speaker 1>are meant to be served. But whatever the case, the

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<v Speaker 1>air feels thick with what's left unsaid. Natalie never forgot

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<v Speaker 1>the lady and the leather leggings.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I went home and I cried that day too,

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<v Speaker 6>and I was just like, what does my life come to?

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<v Speaker 1>And I knew it couldn't just be me and Natalie

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't like the dress code. So I dug through

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of reviews on glassdoor, the website dedicated to job reviews,

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<v Speaker 1>and the results show that the dress code for sales

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<v Speaker 1>associates is a popular complaint amongst blooming Bell's employees. Dress

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<v Speaker 1>code restrictions are strict, very hectic, customers are always right,

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<v Speaker 1>even and they're absolutely wrong. Owned by Macy's, and it

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<v Speaker 1>shows certain departments will require initial investment, such as Sue's shirts, ties, blusses, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the dress code is very strict and enforced. The

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<v Speaker 1>single function HR successfully fulfills is monitoring dress code. Okay

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<v Speaker 1>for a summer job, but not the company for anyone

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<v Speaker 1>looking to build a long term career. And all of

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<v Speaker 1>these complaints about dress code makes sense to me because

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<v Speaker 1>part of the appeal of working at a place like

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomingdale's is the possibility of fashion and glamour. But as

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<v Speaker 1>a sales associate, you have to be able to fade

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<v Speaker 1>into the background.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember asking like why do you always wear black,

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<v Speaker 6>and somebody an uppermatch and said, well, we don't want

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<v Speaker 6>to compete with the client.

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<v Speaker 1>But the list of rules on how to look went

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<v Speaker 1>on and on.

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<v Speaker 6>From our makeup to how we get our nails. I

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<v Speaker 6>could have car legs, I could have had big hoops.

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<v Speaker 6>On the third floor of Bloomingdal's. Each store had its

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<v Speaker 6>own look and because Natalie worked at BCBG, it meant

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<v Speaker 6>that not only did she need to embody the BCBG brand,

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<v Speaker 6>but she had to always remain within the Bloomingdale's dress

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<v Speaker 6>code of black and navy business casual I remember not

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<v Speaker 6>being able to wear dark lipstick because it made me

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<v Speaker 6>look too much.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. As a manager, Natalie remembers having to police

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<v Speaker 1>her employees, and that was hard because these were people

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<v Speaker 1>she hired and sometimes saw more than her own family.

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<v Speaker 1>She cared about them, so policing them over a dress

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<v Speaker 1>code that she didn't even care about herself was complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>But the dress code oft blooming Doll's was strict and

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<v Speaker 1>not abiding by it could mean getting sent home or

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<v Speaker 1>being written up. I reached out to Bloomingdll's to ask

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<v Speaker 1>them about their dress code policies and to get reaction

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<v Speaker 1>about how former current employees feel about it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>did not hear back. Blooming Dell's was my last retail job,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the years since I quit, all of those

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<v Speaker 1>little black dresses I used to wear to work have

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<v Speaker 1>been donated, given away, or cut up and used as

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<v Speaker 1>scrap fabric. Natalie left blooming Dells a couple months after

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<v Speaker 1>I did. She no longer wears little black dresses either.

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<v Speaker 6>I can't even buy black clothes right now because it

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<v Speaker 6>reminds me so much of like, Okay, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>You've heard me complain a lot, I know, but hear

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<v Speaker 1>me out. There was a time when working retail was

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<v Speaker 1>a coveted job. It was an art a skill. But

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<v Speaker 1>by the time Natalie and I were even born, that

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<v Speaker 1>time had long passed. But one thing has remained the same,

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<v Speaker 1>though sales girls have always presented the little black.

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<v Speaker 3>Dress coming up on Latino USA.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of fashion, the little black dress was revolutionary,

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<v Speaker 1>as the acceptance of black unto a woman's wardrobe meant

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a loosening of the strict moral codes.

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<v Speaker 1>The world was changing, and women with.

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<v Speaker 3>It stay with us, not by yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, we're back, and let's keep digging. Now into the

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<v Speaker 2>history of the iconic little black dress. The department store

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<v Speaker 2>was the place where the little black dress went from

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<v Speaker 2>a symbol of service to being a fabulous frock. But

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<v Speaker 2>how When Monica Moreles Garcia researched the lbed and its history,

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<v Speaker 2>they found out that the roots of the black dress

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<v Speaker 2>were in working class women laboring in department stores, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was pretty unbelievable. How is it that women who

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<v Speaker 2>lived more than one hundred years ago had had the

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<v Speaker 2>same experiences? How had so much changed and yet so

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<v Speaker 2>much stayed the same. Here's Monica again with the rest

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<v Speaker 1>Two weeks after I quit Bloomingdale's, I found out that

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<v Speaker 1>I got into an American Studies graduate program. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was during my time there, while I was writing my

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<v Speaker 1>thesis that I came upon the hidden origins of the

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<v Speaker 1>little black dress. And finding out that history surprised me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it took me back to my time working at

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomingdale's and how I fit into all that history and

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<v Speaker 4>In this country, the theory that all our by right

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<v Speaker 4>equal has taken deeply, and the notion of making actual

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<v Speaker 4>inequality evident by distinctions of attire is repugnant to many persons.

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<v Speaker 1>This was reported in an eighteen ninety four Pennsylvania newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>After shop Girls, the stylists of their time, protested against

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<v Speaker 1>the need for black uniforms, claiming the black dresses were

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<v Speaker 1>a mark of servitude, not of a quote. Business woman.

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<v Speaker 7>Uniforms are really important, particularly from the eighteen eighties to

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<v Speaker 7>about the nineteen thirties because they would mark people as

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<v Speaker 7>the sales worker.

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<v Speaker 1>This is doctor Tracy Parker. She's an associate professor of

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<v Speaker 1>Afro American Studies at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and

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<v Speaker 1>author of Department Stores and the Black Freedom Movement.

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<v Speaker 7>And oftentimes the uniform is going to be dark, it's

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<v Speaker 7>going to be inconspicuous. It provided uniformity for the store appearance.

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<v Speaker 7>According to managers. It could minimalize workers poor taste and

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<v Speaker 7>lack of background. Because many of the workers who worked

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<v Speaker 7>in department stores were going to be white women of

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<v Speaker 7>the working class.

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<v Speaker 1>And these were young women who were in cities with

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<v Speaker 1>a new found sense of freedom and a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of disposable income. They could create passable imitation society dresses

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<v Speaker 1>with nothing but a paper pattern fabric and a sewing machine.

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<v Speaker 1>But this created an issue at many department stores. Shop

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<v Speaker 1>girls were too successfully blending in with the store's client

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<v Speaker 1>tell causing class distinctions to blur, and in response, many

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<v Speaker 1>department stores began requiring their employees to dress in a

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<v Speaker 1>simple black dress.

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<v Speaker 7>It does a lot of work the uniform. It controls workers'

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<v Speaker 7>behaviors it makes customers feel more comfortable talking to workers.

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<v Speaker 7>There's this belief that when a worker had nicer clothes

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<v Speaker 7>on than the customer, this could read conflict. What they

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<v Speaker 7>wanted workers to do was sort of blend in and

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<v Speaker 7>at least look sharp enough. There's something about dark clothes

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<v Speaker 7>that we all know, like black clothes, navy clothes, look classy,

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<v Speaker 7>where you could still convince people to buy the type

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<v Speaker 7>of lifestyle that you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Selling, meaning that part of the job is to look

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<v Speaker 1>good and sound right. But what that also means is

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a wrong way to look and a

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<v Speaker 1>wrong way to speak. I have different voices and looks

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<v Speaker 1>that I've learned to use throughout my life. You probably

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<v Speaker 1>have them too. My academic voice when I want to

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<v Speaker 1>sound smart and use words like epistemology, my head to

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<v Speaker 1>toe lulu lemon fit so I don't scare the suburban

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<v Speaker 1>moms that sprouts. They're all me, but they have a purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>a way to change the perception of me, to downplay

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<v Speaker 1>or play up parts of myself for the comfort of others.

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<v Speaker 1>And working in retail, I developed my customer service voice.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like this, and it helps me sound helpful

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<v Speaker 1>and enthusiastic and enthusiastic to help you.

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<v Speaker 7>Some stores actually encouraged women workers to learn a couple

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<v Speaker 7>of words of French so they could use this while

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<v Speaker 7>they were selling. But the idea back then selling was

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<v Speaker 7>still an art. You were selling people not only a lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 7>a way of life, a way of looking, a way

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<v Speaker 7>of behaving. But those workers, the way they were dressed,

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<v Speaker 7>the type of words they used, their affect had to

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<v Speaker 7>convince white middle class women that they knew what they

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<v Speaker 7>were talking about and not to sort of read any

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<v Speaker 7>type of conflict between the two.

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<v Speaker 1>But then in nineteen twenty six, something unexpected happened. Vogue

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<v Speaker 1>magazine featured a black Chanel dress. It was deemed the

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<v Speaker 1>uniform of all chic women, but to many working class

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<v Speaker 1>women and girls, the declaration was nonsensible had they not

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<v Speaker 1>been wearing black this whole time. Inspired by shop girls

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<v Speaker 1>in their little black dresses seen in theaters, amusement parks,

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<v Speaker 1>and even speakeasy's, Chanel's aim for its little black dress

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<v Speaker 1>was to make rich girls look like any old girl

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<v Speaker 1>on the street. It was part of Chanell's poor look,

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<v Speaker 1>simple clothes made with luxe fabrics. Slowly, the little black

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<v Speaker 1>dress became associated with youthfulness and rebellion, and now a

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<v Speaker 1>big fashion house was declaring the little black dress elegant, sophisticated,

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<v Speaker 1>even chic. Soon other fashion designers like Juvant She and

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<v Speaker 1>Dior followed suit. In terms of fashion, the little black

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<v Speaker 1>dress was revolutionary, as the acceptance of black into a

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<v Speaker 1>woman's wardrobe meant that there was a loosening of the

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<v Speaker 1>strict moral codes. The world was changing and women with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Unmarried women began pouring into cities to work in these

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<v Speaker 1>new glamorous spaces the department store. For many women, department

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<v Speaker 1>store work was a good, respectable job and worked that

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<v Speaker 1>you could leave at the end of the day and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy leisure time that the big city had to offer.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a moment when sales work is considered to be glamorous.

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<v Speaker 7>So there's all these movies about white working class women

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<v Speaker 7>working in a department store and it's how she meets

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<v Speaker 7>her husband. It's like the Cinderella fantasy of working in

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<v Speaker 7>a department store.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty nine, Joan Crawford started The Women, a

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<v Speaker 1>film about the social lives of society women and the

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<v Speaker 1>social climbing shop girls who were sleeping with their husbands.

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<v Speaker 1>Crawford plays the shop girl and she dons the LBD

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<v Speaker 1>behind the perfume counter. Pretty girl like you. With all

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<v Speaker 1>the rich men that float in here, I have afraid

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<v Speaker 1>when they come to discount and they have other women

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<v Speaker 1>on their mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't think you'd let that disturb you.

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<v Speaker 1>And it didn't disturb her, And in the end, Joan

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<v Speaker 1>Crawford's character's social climbing was her demise and after shutting

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<v Speaker 1>her little black dress.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, girls, looks like it's back to the perfume kind.

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<v Speaker 5>Of for me.

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<v Speaker 1>The shop girls, a pop culture archetype, still shows up today,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's actually so apt in a society driven by consumption,

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<v Speaker 1>because the department store is a place teeming, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with temptations, deals and steals and least not sales, girls

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<v Speaker 1>looking to climb the social ladder at any cost. But

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<v Speaker 1>that is just a Hollywood story. It is made up

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<v Speaker 1>because the reality of working in a department store was

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<v Speaker 1>that everything was all concocted by retaillers to make upper

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<v Speaker 1>class white women more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 7>Because this is supposed to be sort of their club

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<v Speaker 7>of sort. They could spend all day there they is

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<v Speaker 7>it you'd go early in the morning. You could drop

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<v Speaker 7>your kids off at the nursery. You could go listen

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<v Speaker 7>to a little piano, have a couple of coffee, meet

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<v Speaker 7>ups with some friends, buy a bunch of stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>And you wouldn't be carrying your bags either. They would

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<v Speaker 1>be personally delivered to your home.

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<v Speaker 7>You could walk into these departments ores and they were

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<v Speaker 7>just gorgeous. You know, this was new technology. This was

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<v Speaker 7>electric lighting when they could get it. This was escalators.

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<v Speaker 7>This was you would walk in and in Marshall Fields

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<v Speaker 7>that was in downtown Chicago. The ceiling of Marshall Field

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<v Speaker 7>was actually done by Tiffany and Company, the jeweler. So

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<v Speaker 7>everything about the store when you walked in made you

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<v Speaker 7>feel made you feel like you were somebody. It made

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<v Speaker 7>you feel special. And then to have someone cater to

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<v Speaker 7>you hand and foot made you feel special. That was

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<v Speaker 7>just the type of It was just lavish sky merchandise

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<v Speaker 7>and services. That's what they offered.

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<v Speaker 1>But as more and more black Southerners were moving up

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<v Speaker 1>to these large, bustling cities like New York and Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>luxury department stores had to make some decisions who was

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to enter and who was allowed to work there.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not until the nineteen fifties and sixties with the

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<v Speaker 7>civil rights movement that you see the racial dimensions of

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<v Speaker 7>sales work really change. But if you're a black customer too,

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<v Speaker 7>you could go and shop. Maybe some stores would say

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<v Speaker 7>you can only shop in the bargain basement. They would

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<v Speaker 7>find that they couldn't get service at a lunch counter

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<v Speaker 7>or the restaurants or the beauty stores, and they were

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<v Speaker 7>certainly prohibited from trying on and returning clothes, and they

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<v Speaker 7>weren't allowed to get credit. And there's cases where even

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<v Speaker 7>when one day they could enter the store, maybe next week,

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<v Speaker 7>arbitrarily they're not allowed to.

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<v Speaker 1>In her book, Doctor Parker tells the story about Dorothea Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>a black woman who would the help of young black

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<v Speaker 1>activists of the sit in movement in Charlotte, North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>was able to get hired as a salesperson at a

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<v Speaker 1>department store. But even then the store wants to keep

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<v Speaker 1>it quiet, hush, hidden.

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<v Speaker 7>They don't want their white clientele, theyre preferred clientele, to

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<v Speaker 7>know that they've done this, and so they put her

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<v Speaker 7>in the basement of the store and a department way

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<v Speaker 7>in the back where she's selling furniture, but African Americans

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<v Speaker 7>are coming down to the basement with their purchases like

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<v Speaker 7>a little lipstick and saying, I'm going to check out

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<v Speaker 7>with you. I want the store to know that you're important,

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<v Speaker 7>that you make a difference, and that they should hire more.

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<v Speaker 1>And as the work became increasingly integrated, a clash of

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<v Speaker 1>events and reactions began to happen.

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<v Speaker 7>By the late nineteen sixties, you have more and more

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<v Speaker 7>racial upheavals. The Kitting assassination certainly unleashes a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>anger and frustration, and which you see as that some

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<v Speaker 7>of these department stores close as a result. They don't

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<v Speaker 7>want to be bothered, and increasingly they're putting all of

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<v Speaker 7>their energies into the suburban branches, not the downtown branches,

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<v Speaker 7>which is key because at this point in time, in

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<v Speaker 7>the sixties and seventies, public transportation doesn't go out to

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<v Speaker 7>the suburbs in many places, and that's on purpose. The

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<v Speaker 7>idea is that you keep black and brown people in

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<v Speaker 7>urban centers and you leave the white middle class to

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<v Speaker 7>live in a fairyland of whiteness.

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<v Speaker 1>Fairyland of whiteness. I don't think that's changed. The thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>where the Bloomingdals was. It could easily take over an

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<v Speaker 1>hour in traffic. And that's because there's no easy way

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<v Speaker 1>to get there. And if you ever learn anything about

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles freeways, you'd know that that was on purpose too.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to drive to work in my little black dress,

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<v Speaker 1>weaving in and out of traffic, trying to use different roots,

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<v Speaker 1>always trying to beat traffic, and always wondered how many

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<v Speaker 1>of us were there trying to figure out the fastest

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<v Speaker 1>ways from the poorer areas to the rich ones, wearing

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<v Speaker 1>these antiquated symbols of service. Anyhow, back to doctor.

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<v Speaker 7>Parker, Kmart becomes the number one retailer by the late

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<v Speaker 7>nineteen eighties. So you've got suburbanization, you've got the rise

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<v Speaker 7>of major discount department stores, and so department store merchants

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<v Speaker 7>retailers decide, we're going to model ourselves after this discount model.

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<v Speaker 7>We don't have to put that much money into what

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<v Speaker 7>it looks like, we don't have to train our sales

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<v Speaker 7>workers in the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the eighties and nineties, trickle down economics and

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<v Speaker 1>globalization profoundly changed the way fashion was produced, marketed, sold, bought, worn,

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<v Speaker 1>and thrown away. Fast fashion was born. My first retail

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<v Speaker 1>job was in two thousand and eight, and when I

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<v Speaker 1>started blooming Dell's in twenty seventeen, I had had nine

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<v Speaker 1>years of work experience under my bell and I had

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<v Speaker 1>done everything from working at an Amazon warehouse to selling

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<v Speaker 1>time shares to working at Sephora. So when I got

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<v Speaker 1>the job at Bloomingdale's, it definitely wasn't the worst job

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<v Speaker 1>I'd ever had, but it was the one where I

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<v Speaker 1>got screamed at the most by customers. Why would someone

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<v Speaker 1>not one of our performan bills?

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<v Speaker 7>It's fun, I mean, I think every day.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the most common

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<v Speaker 1>occupations for Hispanic women are maids, housekeepers, cashiers, secretaries, administrative assistants,

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<v Speaker 1>and retail salespersons. So it didn't feel like an accident

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<v Speaker 1>that I had done four out of these six jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I would catch a glimpse of myself dressing

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<v Speaker 1>someone in the fitting room mirror, I would think, why,

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<v Speaker 1>why is this my job? And why is it that

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<v Speaker 1>I have to dress this woman? What about certain people

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<v Speaker 1>do we think makes them more suitable for certain types

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<v Speaker 1>of work. The little black dress let customers know that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the sales girl. I'm not their equal. It was

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<v Speaker 1>my job to make them feel catered to, but at

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen dollars an hour, it just didn't feel worth it

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<v Speaker 1>to me to be reminded of how people saw me.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Natalie again, my former coworker at Bloomingdale's, who we

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<v Speaker 1>heard from in the first part of the show.

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<v Speaker 6>That whole the customer is always right is very embedded

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<v Speaker 6>in retail culture. So because the customer I'd always right,

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<v Speaker 6>they can talk to you any type of way, but

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<v Speaker 6>it is very degrading.

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<v Speaker 1>Both Natalie and I fell into working in retail. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a really easy job to get when you need a

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<v Speaker 1>job fast, so it wasn't a goal of mine. It

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just happened to be the first place that hired,

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<v Speaker 1>and the same for Natalie. I need money, I need

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<v Speaker 1>to pay val. Compared to the total workforce, retail workers

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<v Speaker 1>are more likely to be women and less likely to

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<v Speaker 1>have bachelor's degrees. They're more likely to live in poverty,

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<v Speaker 1>and while overall most retail workers are white, Hispanic and

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<v Speaker 1>Black workers are overrepresented.

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<v Speaker 6>I come from an immigrant home where my dad worked

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<v Speaker 6>on the field to my mom working sweatshop.

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<v Speaker 1>So working at retail what an upgrade from that. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was eleven, my mom went back to school and

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<v Speaker 1>became a medical assistant, and I remember feeling really proud

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<v Speaker 1>of her, and from that point on our lives became

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<v Speaker 1>much more stable. She used to tell me three things.

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<v Speaker 1>One don't get pregnant. Two, get as much schooling as

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<v Speaker 1>you can, and three never depend on a man. So

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<v Speaker 1>when I left my mother's house at eighteen, I felt

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<v Speaker 1>really lucky. She wasn't financially dependent on me, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know some of my cousins and my friends didn't and

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<v Speaker 1>don't have that same privilege. I was able to go

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<v Speaker 1>out in the world and be like, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a writer. How can I make that happen? And

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<v Speaker 1>so I worked a bunch of low wage and fulfilling jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>I dropped in and out of community college. I moved

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<v Speaker 1>to la and just like the women at the turn

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<v Speaker 1>of the century, I found myself working at a luxury

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<v Speaker 1>department store in the big city. So working in retail

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<v Speaker 1>as a means to an end, I felt like an

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<v Speaker 1>upgrade from the life my mother had lived.

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<v Speaker 6>When I see women of color, especially in these settings,

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<v Speaker 6>I know that of necessity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not something that they're like, oh, I'm dreaming of

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<v Speaker 1>working in a luxury story.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it's a necessity, And I know they probably

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<v Speaker 6>have bigger goals because I kind of see myself in that.

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<v Speaker 6>At bigger goals, I was dreaming constantly, But that's a

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<v Speaker 6>whole journey.

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<v Speaker 1>In May of twenty twenty, Macy's Ink, who owns blooming

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<v Speaker 1>Dell's and Macy's, established a minimum wage of fifteen dollars

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<v Speaker 1>an hour throughout the company, one more dollar than I

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<v Speaker 1>was making five years ago. And now that I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote respectable college educated person, I've had to wear

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<v Speaker 1>a uniform and I probably never will again. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think about that a lot. Respectability. Sixty three percent of

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<v Speaker 1>hourly workers at Macy's Ink are non white, Almost half

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<v Speaker 1>of them are black and LATINX. The customers, on the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, are mostly white, over fifty percent at Macy's

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty one percent at blooming Dell's. Today, the lbed

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<v Speaker 1>has become shorthand for glamour, promising to make us look thinner,

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<v Speaker 1>more glamorous, and for most women, it has crossed over.

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<v Speaker 1>Women wear the little black dress to feel more like

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood icon Audrey he Burn or supermodel Linda Evangelista. But

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<v Speaker 1>we cannot forget the origins of the little black dress,

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<v Speaker 1>because wearing the little black dress not only conjures up

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<v Speaker 1>all of the fabulousness it has become, it also conjures

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<v Speaker 1>up all of the working class women who had worn

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<v Speaker 1>the dress before them, and all of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>still have to wear the dress today.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode was produced by Morica Morales Garcia. It was

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<v Speaker 2>edited by Adre Lopez Cruzado. It was mixed by Julia

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<v Speaker 2>Gruso and jj Carubin. The Latino USA team also includes

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<v Speaker 2>Rosa Na Guire, Feliciao Minuez, Fernanda Chavari, Jessica Ellis, Victoria Strada, Dominiqueinestrosa,

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<v Speaker 2>Renando Lanos Junior, Stephanie lebou Luis, Luna Marta Martinez, Dasha Sandoval,

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<v Speaker 2>Neur Saudi and Nancy Trucchuillo. Penille Ramirez, Marlon Bishop, Maria

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<v Speaker 2>Garcia and myself are co executive producers. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>Marien Posa, join us again on our next episode. In

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<v Speaker 2>the meantime, I'll see you on social media, mostly on

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<v Speaker 2>stag jest proxima yatlu savez, debayes Bye.

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<v Speaker 2>About to get rid of a bunch because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no way that I can wear this many lbeds

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<v Speaker 2>ever again.