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<v Speaker 1>April first, twenty twenty one. I graduate in one month,

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<v Speaker 1>just one. It feels like no matter how much I

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<v Speaker 1>say it, it's just not going to feel real until

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<v Speaker 1>it's time. I think I'm just at a point where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to figure out how I feel about everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I just need something now. I need it, I want it,

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<v Speaker 1>But most importantly, I think I'm ready for it.

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<v Speaker 2>From Futuro Media and PRX, It's let you Know Usay

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<v Speaker 2>by Maria no Rosa. Today, one student shares her story

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<v Speaker 2>of laws and growth after the pandemic, but her senior

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<v Speaker 2>year of college upside down. Sandy Flurmond, a first generation

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<v Speaker 2>Haitian American student at Temple University in Philadelphia, was really

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<v Speaker 2>looking forward to her senior year of college. She had

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<v Speaker 2>dreams of studying abroad, and she had a vision of

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<v Speaker 2>seeing herself graduating on a field full of friends and family.

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<v Speaker 3>But being a college student.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty meant that a lot of these long

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<v Speaker 2>awaited milestones didn't go according to plan. In collaboration with

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<v Speaker 2>Philly Audiodiaries, an organization that trains young people in Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 2>to tell their own stories, Sandy takes a look back

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<v Speaker 2>on the things the pandemic took away from her in

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<v Speaker 2>such a pivotal year, but also the things that she

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<v Speaker 2>learned about herself, leading her to forge her own path

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<v Speaker 2>in a moment of a lot of uncertainty. Here's Sandy Plurimond.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to do something big for myself, run

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<v Speaker 1>a marathon, write a book, go bungee jumping. However, as

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<v Speaker 1>a first generation kid to Haitian immigrants in New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, doing something big just meant graduating

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<v Speaker 1>from college. It was everything my parents talked about. All

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<v Speaker 1>the struggles of attempting to achieve the American dream were

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<v Speaker 1>worth it once they got to see both of their

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<v Speaker 1>kids with degrees in hand. In twenty seventeen, I moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Philadelphia to study at Temple University. Definitely, the first

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<v Speaker 1>night in my dorm was really eye opening. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>just staying up for almost three hours, just crying and

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<v Speaker 1>feeling really overwhelmed with just like the emotion that I

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<v Speaker 1>was in a new place and I would never live

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<v Speaker 1>at home with my parents again. But I was really

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<v Speaker 1>excited too. Although I was by myself, my mom still

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<v Speaker 1>called me every single morning for the four years of

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<v Speaker 1>my undergrad Ahi, mamma, Hi, sorry I missed your call.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, I'm good. They were never long conversations, usually

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<v Speaker 1>no more than five minutes, and they were always about

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. Had I eaten yet? What did I

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<v Speaker 1>eat last night? When's the next time? I'm coming home?

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<v Speaker 1>Every day those three questions in some sort of rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom's worked in the kitchen at an Italian restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>for the past twenty nine years, so eating has always

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<v Speaker 1>been one of the most important things for her. On

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<v Speaker 1>the phone, we talk about a childhood memory, or something

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<v Speaker 1>funny that happened to either of us the day before,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe even some drama going on at her job,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing more than that. My love life, my anxieties,

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<v Speaker 1>everything else outside of those things didn't exist in those

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<v Speaker 1>conversations with my mom. Something that I didn't mention in

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<v Speaker 1>these phone calls with my mom was that I had

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<v Speaker 1>decided to switch my major from journalism to media studies

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<v Speaker 1>in the spring of freshman year. I think, honestly, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't ever a sit down conversation where my parents were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to college and this is what you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to study. But it was a lot of conversations and

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<v Speaker 1>passing that were like sharing with me that someone in

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<v Speaker 1>their family, their kids that were around my age, decided

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<v Speaker 1>to go to law school or decided to go to

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<v Speaker 1>med school, and so it was just like very much

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<v Speaker 1>understood that that is what they would have wanted me

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<v Speaker 1>to do. So I was always under the impression that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if I wasn't going to do that, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>do something that I really really enjoyed doing. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that's definitely why I went with media studies. The first

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<v Speaker 1>hands on media class I ever took was radio and

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<v Speaker 1>podcast production. I interviewed my mom for one of the projects,

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<v Speaker 1>talking to her about the stigmatization of menstruation that both

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<v Speaker 1>she and I had grown up with. Mom, how did

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<v Speaker 1>you learn about periods? Who told you about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody?

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody told you about it?

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<v Speaker 4>So how do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Open? We are?

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<v Speaker 4>Parisi manidbaisaiu D six D.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom gave me the answer I expected her to

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<v Speaker 1>give me. No one told her about periods because everything

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<v Speaker 1>from sex to basic anatomy were kept absolutely hush hush

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<v Speaker 1>and haiti. Talking with her made me realize that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a large culture gap between the two of us.

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<v Speaker 1>During the course, my professor Ann Hoffman let me know

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<v Speaker 1>that she believed i'd be a good addition to her program,

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<v Speaker 1>Philly Audio Diaries. It was a program that taught young

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<v Speaker 1>people from alternative high schools how to tell their stories

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<v Speaker 1>for broadcast, and asking me to work for her help

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<v Speaker 1>me realize that this was something much bigger than a class.

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<v Speaker 1>Declaring on media studies major was one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>big decisions I took for myself, and in the fall

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty nineteen, when I was a junior in college,

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<v Speaker 1>I was ready to take another big decision. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to study abroad. It was definitely something I always wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do, but I think one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>made it seem so far out of reach was well

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<v Speaker 1>with my whole college process. I did it pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>all on my own, like applying to colleges and applying

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<v Speaker 1>to financial aid and finding out programs and stuff to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't really get help from my parents for that

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<v Speaker 1>because they'd never done it themselves, so it was up

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<v Speaker 1>to me to figure everything out and answer my own questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting into college had already been such a triumph for

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<v Speaker 1>me because I knew that I did it myself. That

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<v Speaker 1>study abroad seemed like a leap into like a much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger pool. Studying abroad had always just been a tiny

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<v Speaker 1>dream in the back of my mind, something I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine myself doing because it seemed like something reserved for

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<v Speaker 1>people who had a lot more money than I can fathom.

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<v Speaker 1>It was something that I often felt about a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other things too, like going on family vacations or

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<v Speaker 1>going out for family dinners. It was something I was

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<v Speaker 1>never surrounded by growing up, so I put it all

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<v Speaker 1>in a box that I felt like I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a place in. One day, I let myself have the thought,

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<v Speaker 1>what if I did study abroad. I decided to read

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<v Speaker 1>brochures about it and visit the Study Abroad Office. Once

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<v Speaker 1>I did my research, I discovered it was actually something

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<v Speaker 1>that I could do, and so I submitted an application

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<v Speaker 1>for a program in London. London. It's kind of hard

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<v Speaker 1>to describe, but I just always felt a connection to

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<v Speaker 1>It also seemed like the perfect amount of different to

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<v Speaker 1>New York, and I think my whole life, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find something like that because New York is

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<v Speaker 1>a really big piece of me. It's my favorite city ever,

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<v Speaker 1>It's where I grew up, but I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>find something that gave me the same feeling that New

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<v Speaker 1>York did, but in a completely different way. And especially

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<v Speaker 1>once I talked to the Study of Broad program and

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<v Speaker 1>read the info packets, it just in my body felt like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is the place that I really really

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<v Speaker 1>need to go to. In January of twenty twenty, I

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<v Speaker 1>was accepted into the Study of Broad program and I

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<v Speaker 1>paid the deposit. I had also gotten an internship through

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<v Speaker 1>the Study of Broad Program that was going to involve

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<v Speaker 1>me writing and posting about different restaurants in London. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though my mom's a chef. Growing up, we never went

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<v Speaker 1>out to restaurants, and I discovered in my adulthood it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of my greatest pleasures. I had gone through the

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<v Speaker 1>whole process of applying all by myself without telling anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>not even my parents. When I got my passport in

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<v Speaker 1>the mail is when I told my parents, because I

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<v Speaker 1>had never had a passport and I was so excited

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I'm pretty sure I like jumped for joy

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<v Speaker 1>once I got my passport because it was this like

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<v Speaker 1>physical embodiment of these dreams that I had and it

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<v Speaker 1>felt like it was coming true. So the day I

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<v Speaker 1>got my passport is the day that I called my

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<v Speaker 1>mom and my dad to let them know that I

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty certain that I was going to be going abroad.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom was like why, and my dad was also

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<v Speaker 1>just like, where is this coming from? So I think

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<v Speaker 1>I just had a really honest conversation with them and

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<v Speaker 1>was honest with the fact that I was feeling also

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<v Speaker 1>a bit stuck in Philly. I felt in myself that

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't been doing enough to challenge myself to seek

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<v Speaker 1>out happiness for myself. That is when they really became

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<v Speaker 1>understanding and supportive of that, because I knew that they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted that for me too, but I had never expressed

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<v Speaker 1>that to them. Then life as we knew it for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in the world changed COVID nineteen. It was March nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, and my girlfriend Aliana, who I had also

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<v Speaker 1>planned on setting abroad in Italy that summer, got lunch

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<v Speaker 1>with me on campus. Things weren't necessarily normal. The hallways

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<v Speaker 1>were filled with people talking about different theories of what

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<v Speaker 1>was to come, but it was the last normal day

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<v Speaker 1>we would experience. One moment, we were laughing about stealing

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<v Speaker 1>each other's food and the next we both received emails

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<v Speaker 1>getting the crushing news that our summer plans were no more.

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<v Speaker 1>I went through probably the stages of grief all within

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<v Speaker 1>like five minutes. For the first time, I had a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of fear in my heart, like if they were

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<v Speaker 1>canceling London, Like what was COVID? What did this really mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that night was just a sad, sad night.

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<v Speaker 1>We like took the long way to walk home and

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked about it. And honestly, it was really

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<v Speaker 1>nice to have each other, I would say in that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>because we both were morning these but we both felt

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<v Speaker 1>really scared, I think, and really confused. As COVID became

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<v Speaker 1>worse and it raged across the world, my girlfriend and

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<v Speaker 1>I watched from our tiny apartment in North Philadelphia, disinfecting

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<v Speaker 1>groceries and taking turns talking the other down from believing

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<v Speaker 1>that a doorknob we raised earlier that day may have

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<v Speaker 1>given us the virus. As everything around me seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be drastically changing, I held onto the little bits of normalcy,

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<v Speaker 1>like the daily calls with my mom, I Mama, I

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<v Speaker 1>had got dumby. Honestly, you wouldn't tell that COVID was

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<v Speaker 1>happening during those phone calls, which I think is interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because my mom would call every day and ask the

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<v Speaker 1>same exact thing that she always had, And so while

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<v Speaker 1>I was worried about her because my mom is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of older and she works a lot, So while I

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<v Speaker 1>was worried about her, and she was worried about me

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<v Speaker 1>because I am away from her and she doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm doing every day, we sort of put

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<v Speaker 1>those words to the side and didn't confront each other

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<v Speaker 1>about them, to give each other that bit of peace

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<v Speaker 1>because we were having these phone calls and being like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing good, and I made this really yummy thing

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<v Speaker 1>last night, and I thought of you. In between the

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<v Speaker 1>nagging fear of the pandemic and the anxiety of the

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<v Speaker 1>uncertainty of the future, all I had were my journal

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<v Speaker 1>and my voice memo app April fourteenth, twenty twenty. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the tenth day of quarantine and its raining today. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure if this is actually the tenth or the eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>now that I think of it. The rain makes it

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<v Speaker 1>seem like the days are even more blurrier than before.

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<v Speaker 1>People online keep talking about how they're going stir crazy

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't say that I disagree with them, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just submitted it online on like a random Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it was just it. Then I was just

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<v Speaker 5>believe it, right, I graduate in a week. That is

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<v Speaker 1>For months, everyone in my class waited to know whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not graduation would be happening online or in person.

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<v Speaker 1>When the news finally broke that I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>the ceremony. They would be able to watch me on

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<v Speaker 1>a livestream from home instead. These were just moments that

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<v Speaker 1>I had held in my heart for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting to hug them right after I got my diploma,

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<v Speaker 1>or getting to hear that they were proud of me

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<v Speaker 1>And so while I'm happy that they saw me in

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<v Speaker 1>this like hybrid kind of way there is, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>there's still a bit of sadness there that they didn't

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome to the spring twenty twenty one graduation ceremonies for

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<v Speaker 6>the lu Klin College of Media and Communication held in person.

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<v Speaker 1>We graduated in a field, and we were all still

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<v Speaker 1>socially distanced, and I think seeing the empty chairs at

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<v Speaker 1>been waiting for for so long, but I was seeing

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<v Speaker 6>Sandy Florimon, Congratulations graduates.

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<v Speaker 1>Later that night, as I celebrated with my friends in

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<v Speaker 1>they were able to watch and how proud they were

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<v Speaker 1>of me. May twenty twenty one. I'm officially a college

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<v Speaker 1>graduate as of two days ago. It was the most

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<v Speaker 1>special day because I couldn't have predicted any of it.

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<v Speaker 1>there's anything this time has taught me is that I

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<v Speaker 1>can be all taken away in an instant. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to see my friends and celebrate in my tiny backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>and it felt perfect. I couldn't help but think about

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<v Speaker 1>how different it felt last year. A year ago, Aliana

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<v Speaker 1>and I were hiding away in Wilding Sport, and a

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<v Speaker 1>to celebrate my graduation. But soon doubts started creeping in.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point, everyone loves to ask what you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>after and I just really couldn't. I couldn't deal with

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<v Speaker 1>head really nervous because I think I just really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>an answer to that question for myself, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>up or anything. But of course with that nervousness, I

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<v Speaker 1>was just really excited to just start something new. Two

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<v Speaker 1>made the decision to take back one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that the pandemic took from me. It's eleven PM and

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<v Speaker 1>I just bought some plane tickets to go to London. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I'm doing, but I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to London this summer. I seven one

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<v Speaker 1>and realized that I had this opportunity in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is, but I just decided

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<v Speaker 1>that the only thing that's stopping myself was me. My

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<v Speaker 1>in my childhood bedroom about to leave for the airport.

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<v Speaker 1>My flight is not for another five hours, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>He let me know that he would miss me and

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<v Speaker 1>that he would be thinking of me every day. The

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<v Speaker 1>to have over the year we weren't able to see

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<v Speaker 1>each other. He packed my stuff into the car and

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<v Speaker 1>we drove to JFK in silence. We got to the airport,

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<v Speaker 1>had one last hug, and he waved goodbye. As I

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<v Speaker 1>I was like grinning in my seat way before takeoff

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<v Speaker 1>And so I remember I woke up and I had

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<v Speaker 1>lifted it up and I saw just like pure pure water,

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<v Speaker 1>Once I touched down in London, I felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>It was going to be the space and time where

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<v Speaker 2>This episode was produced by Sandy Flurmont and Julia rochap

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<v Speaker 4>help them get on buses in different routes than men

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<v Speaker 4>would traditionally take.

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<v Speaker 3>That's next time on Latino USA.