WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:08.440 Dear listener, You're about to experience a conversation that is 2 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:14.760 extraordinarily unique, and I would say it's pretty special because 3 00:00:14.920 --> 00:00:19.560 what we have done is gathered three superstar Latino Latina 4 00:00:19.680 --> 00:00:24.520 LATINX Latine journalists who together have covered our community for 5 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:29.280 several decades, and if I include myself in the conversation, 6 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.680 we have over one hundred years of journalistic experience. 7 00:00:34.080 --> 00:00:35.120 In the United States. 8 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:39.479 The high speed vote demonstration. 9 00:00:39.080 --> 00:00:42.800 For the Principetti with the big election just weeks away, Beauty. 10 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:44.200 Queens Vicky Martin. 11 00:00:44.360 --> 00:00:46.640 There are Devilax, humanitarian christ There's. 12 00:00:46.440 --> 00:00:48.360 So many mass shootings in this country. 13 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:51.640 Te Barack Obama, Dio Compestina is about to record. 14 00:00:53.440 --> 00:00:57.200 Marillina Selinas, Johnes Palamas. 15 00:01:02.800 --> 00:01:06.800 From Futuro Media and PRX. It's Latino USA. I'm Maria 16 00:01:06.880 --> 00:01:11.039 noo Posa. Today we continue our special election coverage for 17 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:15.280 twenty twenty four, the Latino factor, how we vote. We're 18 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.320 talking about Latino media coverage with the Latino and Latina 19 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:24.160 journalists who have covered it all. Jianquinonez, Marie Lena Salinas 20 00:01:24.360 --> 00:01:30.959 and Baola Ramos. Just a few weeks ago, I was 21 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:38.280 in Aspen, Colorado, celebrating Latino excellence at the third annual Raisado. 22 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:40.759 Festival Rai Sado Fisiva. 23 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:43.880 There was a lot of music, there was dancing, there 24 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:48.080 was food. There were actors like Justina Machado and Diyuego Luna. 25 00:01:48.600 --> 00:01:49.800 But there were also. 26 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:54.960 Latino media icons reporters in our community who have been 27 00:01:55.080 --> 00:01:59.560 covering politics for decades. So of course I wanted to 28 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:02.680 ask them what they think of the political tug of 29 00:02:02.720 --> 00:02:06.880 war to get the Latino vote, the second largest voting 30 00:02:06.960 --> 00:02:10.160 cohort in the United States, and to talk about what 31 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:15.040 the next generation of Latino voters looks like. So on 32 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.840 a cool Saturday morning, way before anybody else was up 33 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:22.639 and before all of the festivities at the Raisado Festival began, 34 00:02:23.320 --> 00:02:27.080 we met up at the recording studios of Aspen Public Radio. 35 00:02:29.440 --> 00:02:31.680 Before we're going to jump into the conversation, I actually 36 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:35.640 want each of you to introduce yourselves to how you 37 00:02:35.760 --> 00:02:39.359 believe our audience knows you and how you know someone 38 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:41.640 from this little round table. We're going to start with you. 39 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:44.360 We're going to start with you. Who are you? 40 00:02:44.720 --> 00:02:50.040 John Quinones born in San Antonio, Texas, Chicano Mexican American 41 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.200 father was a janitor. My mom used to clean houses. 42 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:55.480 We were migrant farm workers. When I was thirteen, I 43 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.040 had a dream of being a reporter, and the dream 44 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:02.119 came to But of what I do, I'm doing what 45 00:03:02.200 --> 00:03:04.280 I always wanted to do is tell stories, and I'm 46 00:03:04.320 --> 00:03:06.600 still doing them after all these decades. 47 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.160 Our next guest shall reveal herself. 48 00:03:10.160 --> 00:03:11.360 Marie Lena Salinas. 49 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:16.280 Yay, and I am also Mexican American, right, but not 50 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:20.480 from Texas, from California, born in La Mexican parents. 51 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.000 And how do people know me? 52 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:25.400 I think that people know me because I was as 53 00:03:25.480 --> 00:03:28.280 the La Sopa for so many years for these poor 54 00:03:28.320 --> 00:03:32.000 young people who were forced to watch TV in Spanish 55 00:03:32.040 --> 00:03:35.360 and Univision during the dinner time and didn't happen to 56 00:03:35.440 --> 00:03:42.440 have video games or a cell phone to escape ya 57 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:52.400 Maria Salina benicosaki yo. So I was anchored Univision for 58 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:56.160 very many years, thirty seven years. The first six years 59 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:59.520 it was at channel thirty four and the other thirty 60 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.720 one were at Univision. And that's not what I do now. 61 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.000 I mean, I am a contributor with ABC News right now. 62 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:08.080 But you know, your question was what do you think 63 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:10.800 people know you for? And I think that's what people 64 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.440 know me for. And I know people here. John I 65 00:04:14.880 --> 00:04:18.360 know because of NHJ. That's where I met him National 66 00:04:18.400 --> 00:04:23.640 Association of Hispanic Journalists forty years ago. And Maria Maria, 67 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:28.040 I also met you at NHJ. Yes, Sorrymas introduced this 68 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.040 on the dance floor, So. 69 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.320 I met you on the dance floor. 70 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:36.760 I met you dancing Zachament and have admired you ever since. 71 00:04:36.880 --> 00:04:39.479 And Paula I've known since she was born. Literally I 72 00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:43.480 did because her dad, Ramos, and I were co anchors 73 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:47.240 for thirty something years at a Nibson. 74 00:04:48.080 --> 00:04:51.680 Lay stage Pudo. 75 00:04:54.880 --> 00:05:00.400 So I've watched her grow into this amazing young woman 76 00:05:00.960 --> 00:05:05.480 who is not only brilliant, but kind and empathetic and 77 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:06.919 just amazing overall. 78 00:05:06.960 --> 00:05:08.800 Okay, well, she told everybody who you are. 79 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:17.919 Ramos Mexican American, Cuban American with a Spanish accent. I 80 00:05:17.960 --> 00:05:22.560 grew up literally in the studio of Marie Lena Salinas 81 00:05:22.640 --> 00:05:25.000 and my dad. I feel like I grew up spending 82 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.160 my summers and really like seeing the evolution of Marie 83 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:32.680 Lena become this like icon and then also at the 84 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.520 same time hearing my dad say, but you can also 85 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.000 be a Maria and no Josa and break into the 86 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.200 English language cable Unis network, and I feel like that's 87 00:05:41.200 --> 00:05:42.359 where I find myself. 88 00:05:42.400 --> 00:05:44.839 No, sort of like dipping my toes in both. 89 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.520 Foreign journalists are generally blocked from entering the country to 90 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:52.039 report in the regime, but as tensions boiled over last July, 91 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:57.160 we risk detention and enter Cuba as tourists and trying 92 00:05:57.200 --> 00:06:01.000 to like constantly figure out what does the young Latino 93 00:06:01.080 --> 00:06:01.800 audience wants. 94 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:04.520 That is the question that I'm constantly trying to. 95 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:06.880 Not that there's any pressure, of course. 96 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:08.120 Oh and that's the beauty. 97 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:08.440 We don't. 98 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:10.560 We don't. We're figuring it out. We don't know. 99 00:06:10.640 --> 00:06:14.159 It's okay to not know. So I should probably say 100 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.400 how I know each of you. So, John, I saw 101 00:06:17.520 --> 00:06:22.640 you locally in Chicago, then on the front lines in Nicaragua, 102 00:06:23.440 --> 00:06:26.000 and I was like, oh my god, what But always 103 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:30.400 with humanity, Mariolena was a star. So when I meet 104 00:06:30.400 --> 00:06:32.919 you on the dance floor, I was like, you know, 105 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.240 I was like, oh my god, it's Mariolena. And we 106 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:40.160 quickly became friends and then colleagues and Baola she appears 107 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.520 on the scene and it's like, oh, jor Ramos's daughter, 108 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.680 which I know is hard, but we have all witnessed 109 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.719 your growth as a journalist, a solid journalist with a 110 00:06:50.760 --> 00:06:54.640 persona that is really important, and we do have quickly 111 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.640 become friends. So I was like, I have to be 112 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.479 able to talk to all three, all four of us 113 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:01.320 in this conversation. 114 00:07:01.400 --> 00:07:03.360 And by the way, you can interrupt. 115 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:05.839 Let's breaking the rules. 116 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:10.840 You know, we ask questions. We don't like being interviewed, right, we. 117 00:07:10.760 --> 00:07:12.240 Want interview you. 118 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:14.840 But the thing is John, and I'm going to start 119 00:07:14.840 --> 00:07:17.720 with you because you well you are Albitrano, you are 120 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:21.840 a bit right in English language news, we were watching you. 121 00:07:22.320 --> 00:07:25.120 So I'm just wondering, because you've done it all in 122 00:07:25.200 --> 00:07:27.920 terms of reporting, how do you see the state of 123 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.640 journalism in the United States of America right now? 124 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.320 Well, we used to cover stories in a bigger way 125 00:07:34.440 --> 00:07:37.480 than we do now. Part of it is that technology. 126 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:41.480 Folks can get the video to us so quickly from 127 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.360 Latin America, which is where I cut. My teeth was 128 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:48.160 based in the Miami Bureau starting in nineteen eighty two, 129 00:07:48.200 --> 00:07:51.800 with Peter Jennings assigned to cover Nicara well Salad Or 130 00:07:52.200 --> 00:07:56.560 Panama The Invasion. My producer Robert Gompos was kidnapped in fact, 131 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:59.560 in Panama when the US invaded in nineteen eighty nine. 132 00:08:00.200 --> 00:08:04.200 After a full day into this invasion, it is still 133 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:07.760 not clear tonight who controls the streets of the Capitol. 134 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:11.120 So back then we used to literally jump on lear 135 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:14.640 jet planes and go cover the story on a moment's notice, 136 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:17.160 and we did it often, and it costs a lot 137 00:08:17.200 --> 00:08:19.880 of money. So budgets have gotten a little bit tighter, 138 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.840 and again the technology isn't such that you have to 139 00:08:22.880 --> 00:08:25.920 carry all that equipment. But as far as Latinos and journalism, 140 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:28.040 I'm really proud of what ABC is doing. I mean, 141 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:32.400 we have a multitude now of talent and Latinos and 142 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:37.280 Latinas and Latina's right in LATINX and that's impressive. I'm 143 00:08:37.280 --> 00:08:40.199 so glad Madelena Salinas is with us now talking about 144 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:43.960 the Hispanic vote on ABC News in on Nightline. 145 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.240 And the Latino vote in the hotly contested state of 146 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.959 Florida could play a huge role in choosing who goes 147 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:50.800 to the White House. 148 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:54.480 I'm a guy who sees the glass half full. I 149 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:57.720 know we have problems and that we don't have enough 150 00:08:58.160 --> 00:09:01.840 Latinos in powermaking position the guys who tell Marie, Lena 151 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.079 and jan Kinyonis and Paola where to go on a 152 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:07.520 story or green light a story. I love the fact 153 00:09:07.520 --> 00:09:10.360 that I've crossed over into entertainment a little bit in 154 00:09:10.400 --> 00:09:13.559 that What would You Do? This show is a hybrid 155 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:18.040 between news and entertainment, so the question is what would 156 00:09:18.160 --> 00:09:18.640 you do? 157 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:28.080 Is I was here all the time because it's so 158 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.840 popular among kids and especially young people's. 159 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.880 It blows me away that I reinvented myself. This whld 160 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:38.560 veteran of news now has a show that young people 161 00:09:38.800 --> 00:09:41.719 just love. I mean, my kids told me, Dad, you're 162 00:09:41.760 --> 00:09:46.719 blowing up on TikTok a couple of years ago. Excuse me, ma'am. 163 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:51.280 I'm John quin Janis with the TV show What Would 164 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.080 You Do? And I said, what's TikTok? 165 00:09:55.280 --> 00:09:56.120 So I love that. 166 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:59.600 I love that I can still bring value to journalism 167 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.760 tackling issues that are really important, racism and bullying and 168 00:10:03.800 --> 00:10:08.760 body shaming. So I'm I'm ecstatic. I really am very 169 00:10:08.800 --> 00:10:10.880 happy with where I'm at in my career, and I 170 00:10:10.920 --> 00:10:14.040 think I'm looking at it through rosy glasses, but I'm 171 00:10:14.040 --> 00:10:17.560 more encouraged than not with a state of journalism at 172 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:20.160 least in my little corner of the world. 173 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:21.600 No, Myria Elena. 174 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:24.440 Let me ask you so, Komolo is how do you 175 00:10:24.520 --> 00:10:27.439 see the state of journalism now well? 176 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.439 Coming after John? I wish it could be an optimist 177 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:30.920 that he is. 178 00:10:30.920 --> 00:10:33.760 He's always an optimist, He's always smiling, he's always happy. 179 00:10:34.280 --> 00:10:37.319 I don't know that I'm as optimistic as he is. 180 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.679 In the state of journalism, I think we've deteriorated a bit, 181 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:46.360 actually a lot in the last couple of decades because 182 00:10:46.920 --> 00:10:50.640 we have this issue with credibility, and gone are the 183 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.440 days when people used to wait until six thirty to 184 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.800 watch Peter Jennings or to watch Urquie and I and 185 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.600 if it was in Spanish, to see what the news is. 186 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.400 Now they watch it on TikTok, on YouTube, on any 187 00:11:02.640 --> 00:11:06.360 social media, on x and I think that has led 188 00:11:07.040 --> 00:11:10.640 to misinformation, and that is one of the things that 189 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.840 worries me the most about the state of journalism and 190 00:11:14.880 --> 00:11:15.400 of media. 191 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:16.440 Then misinformation. 192 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:22.600 Twenty one percent of Hispanics rely on social media for 193 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:25.480 their news, and we all know that social media is 194 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:27.000 not journalism. No one's vetting. 195 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:29.720 I think that's the way that our roles are evolving, 196 00:11:29.800 --> 00:11:32.120 right like you have to be on social media, right, 197 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:36.199 Like the credibility now part of the strategy of journalism, 198 00:11:36.520 --> 00:11:40.640 fortunately or unfortunately has forced us to be everywhere. I 199 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:47.040 think of Madelena and my father. Today Univision newscast maybe 200 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.920 has an average of like six hundred thousand viewers per 201 00:11:50.040 --> 00:11:52.360 night if they're lucky, and it used to be it 202 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.120 used to be what at least over a million, sometimes 203 00:11:55.160 --> 00:11:58.280 two million, maybe like twenty years But then think about this. 204 00:11:58.520 --> 00:12:01.800 Then today if Madeleine or my dad like hot f 205 00:12:01.800 --> 00:12:05.280 he Ramos puts an Instagram ry on about that newscast, 206 00:12:05.800 --> 00:12:08.880 it can get around a million views within two days. 207 00:12:10.040 --> 00:12:13.000 So that's the difference, right the demographic that had this 208 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.960 like sacred ritual of turning on cable news. Now we're 209 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.480 looking at a Latino electorate, Latino community where the fastest 210 00:12:20.520 --> 00:12:24.720 growing segment within US are third generation Latinas, so we 211 00:12:24.760 --> 00:12:28.560 speak English predominantly, we are younger, The majority of us 212 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:30.960 are under fifty years old, the majority of us are 213 00:12:31.040 --> 00:12:33.760 US born. And to your point, John, like we're living 214 00:12:33.800 --> 00:12:36.160 on social media. We depend on social media, and the 215 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:40.160 difference between us and say like White America is that 216 00:12:40.520 --> 00:12:41.720 our phones have become this. 217 00:12:41.760 --> 00:12:43.640 Sort of like Survival network as well. 218 00:12:43.760 --> 00:12:45.720 Now, like this is how we communicate with our loved 219 00:12:45.760 --> 00:12:47.160 ones across the border. 220 00:12:47.280 --> 00:12:48.079 This is how we love. 221 00:12:48.160 --> 00:12:49.800 This is our part of our love language, and like 222 00:12:50.280 --> 00:12:53.600 that is what makes it both so so dangerous and 223 00:12:53.640 --> 00:12:54.839 beautiful at the same time. 224 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:57.320 Yeah, yeah, most some of our segments on what would 225 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.480 You Do have gotten one hundred and fifty million vw oh. 226 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:06.760 Exactly, my god, can you walk anywhere? A few times? 227 00:13:06.760 --> 00:13:09.240 I'm waiting they stop them fifty times in order to 228 00:13:09.280 --> 00:13:10.040 do that. Love that. 229 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:18.840 Coming up on Latino USA, Latino Journalist Legends, John Guignonez, 230 00:13:19.040 --> 00:13:23.559 Marielena Salinas and Baola Ramos get into the state of journalism, 231 00:13:23.880 --> 00:13:28.480 conservatism in our community and the twenty twenty four Latine vote. 232 00:13:28.880 --> 00:13:50.400 Stay with usas Hey, we're back, and before the break 233 00:13:50.760 --> 00:13:55.800 John Guignonez, Marielena Salinas, and Baola Ramos, we're breaking down 234 00:13:56.000 --> 00:14:00.160 how journalism has changed and how social media continues to 235 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:01.520 change our profession. 236 00:14:02.280 --> 00:14:03.120 Now we're going to get. 237 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.120 Into a little bit more of the complexity of the 238 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.600 Latino population across the United States and how we're going 239 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:13.040 in places and ways that you might not expect. Let's 240 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:17.400 jump back to our conversation. So let's let's actually move 241 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.920 into because the missing disinformation. We're obsessed all of us 242 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.600 with this because as journalists, we are meeting, in particular 243 00:14:24.760 --> 00:14:30.160 fellow Latinos and Latinas Latina who are believing the miss 244 00:14:30.160 --> 00:14:34.200 and disinformation in an election year. And so it is 245 00:14:34.280 --> 00:14:37.000 when we are the second largest voting cohort in the 246 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:40.720 United States, we are the swing within the swing states 247 00:14:40.800 --> 00:14:44.120 right now, really Latinos and Latinas are going to be 248 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.760 central to determining who the next president is going to be. 249 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:48.320 You know, we used to say that all the time 250 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:50.520 in every election, so that've covered ten elections, and Hawk 251 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:52.119 and I used to say that all the time. 252 00:14:52.560 --> 00:14:54.840 Been teachings and Latinos and Lhibris. 253 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.320 Presidencyl I think this time is than ever because it's 254 00:15:01.400 --> 00:15:06.560 now so centralized in those swing states and Arizona and Nevada. 255 00:15:06.640 --> 00:15:08.520 Definitely the Latinos are going to decide. 256 00:15:08.560 --> 00:15:11.120 But now also you have to consider Georgia and Pennsylvania 257 00:15:11.680 --> 00:15:15.320 and the same thing in Wisconsin. So Latino voters are 258 00:15:15.520 --> 00:15:19.560 in states that are not the traditional Latino states that 259 00:15:19.560 --> 00:15:20.320 you would expect. 260 00:15:22.920 --> 00:15:24.320 And that's what I was going to say, is that 261 00:15:24.520 --> 00:15:27.880 Maria Lena has seen this. John has seen it, has 262 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:30.040 seen this. We are out there on the ground and 263 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.320 we're like, oh, North Dakota, Hey, oh hello Georgia with 264 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.600 Latinos and Latinas. Okay, Marie, Lena, what are you hearing 265 00:15:36.640 --> 00:15:37.040 in seeing? 266 00:15:37.520 --> 00:15:37.840 You know? 267 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:42.240 What I see is that Latinos are beginning to get 268 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.880 a little bit more enthusiastic about the election. One of 269 00:15:45.880 --> 00:15:49.280 the things that surprises me in this election is the 270 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:57.400 issues that Latinos care about just like everyone else. Yes, 271 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.800 they care about the economy. They always have. They've always 272 00:15:59.800 --> 00:16:02.920 cared about economy, education, healthcare. That's always been their issue. 273 00:16:03.400 --> 00:16:05.320 But one of the things that surprises me is their 274 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:08.920 views on immigration and how it's changed. 275 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:10.720 Decades ago. 276 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.200 When I started covering politics, and when I started covering immigration, 277 00:16:14.880 --> 00:16:18.520 Latinos would always support anyone who promised to pass some 278 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:20.560 kind of immigration reform that would open the door to 279 00:16:20.560 --> 00:16:22.520 the legalization of undocumented immigrants. 280 00:16:22.800 --> 00:16:26.560 Understandably, you're frustrated that way, I have not been able 281 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.920 to move this over the finished line. 282 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:32.760 Yet or to dreamers later on when that started happening, 283 00:16:33.640 --> 00:16:40.280 and now it's switched. Now they're looking for someone who 284 00:16:40.400 --> 00:16:43.880 has a hard line on immigration. And I've been trying 285 00:16:43.880 --> 00:16:47.040 to figure out why. And I mean my theory in 286 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.080 some of the things that I hear is I think 287 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.800 a lot of people don't want to be associated with 288 00:16:51.920 --> 00:16:53.200 that very negative vettering. 289 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:57.400 When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best, 290 00:16:57.880 --> 00:17:02.440 They're not sending you, They're sending people that have lots 291 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:03.240 of problems. 292 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:06.560 You know what, if I have a choice of being 293 00:17:06.600 --> 00:17:08.160 on this side, I don't want to be the ones 294 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:09.840 that are being called criminals and are. 295 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:14.080 Exactly at the end of the day, the anti immigrant sentiment. 296 00:17:14.320 --> 00:17:18.879 There's nothing more powerful. A senophobia like that works across 297 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:20.639 the board, right, it doesn't matter if you're white, if 298 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.920 you're black, if you're a Latino, you're an immigrant. It's 299 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.399 contagious because I think that is the brilliant part of 300 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.960 trump Ism, that they have been capable of getting the 301 00:17:31.040 --> 00:17:35.520 segment of Latinos to fall under the illusion that they 302 00:17:35.520 --> 00:17:38.159 are as American as white America and that they are 303 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:38.720 not the other. 304 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:42.159 All right, Baubles, So you have just spent several months 305 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:46.200 going deep into this thing, which is conservative Latinos, right 306 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:51.320 wing Latinos, racist Latinos, fascist Latinos. 307 00:17:51.760 --> 00:17:54.680 Yeah, I mean, I think it's we've never been more 308 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:56.879 powerful ever than in this moment. 309 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:58.600 But it's also a voting block that. 310 00:17:58.560 --> 00:18:02.240 I think nothing like any other iteration of the Latino 311 00:18:02.280 --> 00:18:04.879 story we've ever heard or talked about. Look at the 312 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:07.879 map right now, We're so powerful, and I feel like 313 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.560 we're in the middle of these two opposing forces. Now 314 00:18:10.560 --> 00:18:14.000 you have this very like palpable right wordshift happening that 315 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.080 you know, now we're sort of all trying to ignore. 316 00:18:16.280 --> 00:18:18.359 But at some point The New York Times was telling 317 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.240 us that, to Madelena's point, like Latino's were warming up 318 00:18:21.320 --> 00:18:25.320 to this anti immigrant sentiment, to mass reportations, Latin evangelicals 319 00:18:25.320 --> 00:18:28.560 war warming up to Christian nationalism, Latinos were warming up 320 00:18:28.560 --> 00:18:31.920 to the like anti trans crusade. So there is something happening. 321 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.479 As that's happening, then you have this like opposing force, 322 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:40.440 which is this like emergence of this more like youthful, progressive, 323 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:44.640 diverse coalition of Latinos. And that, to me is where 324 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:48.520 the election stands right now. It'll be somewhere between these 325 00:18:48.520 --> 00:18:52.240 like two opposite forces. And I think when it comes 326 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:54.479 to the sort of Latino conserners that spent a lot 327 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:56.560 of time with it has less to do with the 328 00:18:56.600 --> 00:18:59.000 politics and more to do with like the culture. It's 329 00:18:59.040 --> 00:19:02.640 like understanding, how does the racial baggage from Latin America 330 00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:06.280 manifest in the United States? Like how does the sort 331 00:19:06.320 --> 00:19:09.800 of like colonized mindset manifest here? How does the political 332 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:12.680 trauma has nothing to do with politics. It's like suddenly 333 00:19:12.760 --> 00:19:15.679 it's okay for people to say that they no longer 334 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.919 feel this political affiliation with Democrats, and the why is 335 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:21.879 less about from business and it's more to do with 336 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.320 a very complicated messiness of who we are. 337 00:19:25.080 --> 00:19:27.720 So we're in Aspen right now for the Raisava Festival, 338 00:19:28.040 --> 00:19:30.760 and I'm interviewing as many people as I can about 339 00:19:30.760 --> 00:19:32.960 the politics of the moment. I interviewed somebody who was 340 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:38.320 working the festival, and she came undocumented but is Evangelical, 341 00:19:39.040 --> 00:19:45.960 and so she said, I'm divided because my undocumented partner 342 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:50.480 wants me to vote for Kamala because of a possibility 343 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:53.399 of something on immigration and the tone. But I'm an 344 00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:56.240 evangelical Christian and i feel like I'm turning my back 345 00:19:56.320 --> 00:20:00.439 on my values and my church because I don't support 346 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.800 abortion and access to abortion. And I'm wondering, can you 347 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:10.479 go into this place that you're seeing latinos saying because 348 00:20:10.520 --> 00:20:13.800 of abortion or because I want them to continue to 349 00:20:13.800 --> 00:20:16.520 build that wall, we're gonna side with Trump. 350 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:20.280 I've introduced so many Latin evangelicals, and the question I 351 00:20:20.280 --> 00:20:22.119 have is, what do you see in Trump? 352 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:22.320 Right? 353 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:23.879 Like, what do you see in someone that has been 354 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.879 accused of like sexually assaulting women and found guilty and 355 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.800 found guilty exactly like within your moral compass, Like, what 356 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:31.720 is it that you see in someone like him? And 357 00:20:31.760 --> 00:20:35.080 the question that I keep getting is it's the Democratic 358 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.240 Party in their eyes, has gone too far left. Now 359 00:20:37.320 --> 00:20:39.400 that's the first ticking point, like it has gone too 360 00:20:39.560 --> 00:20:42.240 far left. And what they see in trump Ism has 361 00:20:42.280 --> 00:20:45.159 nothing to do, in their words, with the politics. It 362 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.960 has to do with the survival of a Christianity. They 363 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:50.200 feel that Trump is a vehicle to get them there. 364 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.920 It's less about him and his character and it's more like. 365 00:20:52.840 --> 00:20:53.760 But is he a Christian? 366 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:55.160 He sells bibles. 367 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:57.360 He made a lot of money selling bibles. 368 00:20:57.560 --> 00:20:59.399 I mean, I'm asking I'm not criticizing. 369 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:03.080 I'm asking President Donald Trump is now selling bibles as 370 00:21:03.080 --> 00:21:04.960 he runs to return to the White House. 371 00:21:05.520 --> 00:21:07.760 All Americans need a Bible in their home. 372 00:21:07.840 --> 00:21:11.080 And I have many It's my favorite book. 373 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.080 I think what you're saying, Baula and both Marielna and 374 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.720 John is that our countries in Latin America have experienced authoritarianism. 375 00:21:20.280 --> 00:21:25.160 We have lived through in fact, dictatorships and anti democratic processes, 376 00:21:25.520 --> 00:21:30.760 anti blackness, anti indigeneity. So we bring that with us 377 00:21:30.800 --> 00:21:33.240 when we come to the United States to pick up 378 00:21:33.560 --> 00:21:37.600 Baula saying, I think, because now Florida, let's take the 379 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.280 state where you live, Marielina, because it is actually in play. 380 00:21:41.560 --> 00:21:42.800 That's hard to believe. 381 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:49.160 Hard to believe, but okay, but big enough that they 382 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:52.840 never we never thought it would be at least possible, right, 383 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:57.280 And I think that there are young Latinos and Latinas, 384 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:04.560 latinx Latine who are having these conversations somewhere intergenerationally now 385 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:08.880 where it's like not that nolam, like let's talk about 386 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:11.800 the Trump situation or let's talk about Kamala running. Do 387 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.840 you think that there is some intergenerational things that are happening. 388 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.400 Well, yeah, and Florida used to be a swing state 389 00:22:17.560 --> 00:22:20.080 and then it became a red state because of consecutive 390 00:22:20.080 --> 00:22:22.240 elections voted read so then it became a red state, 391 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.320 but it was always a swing state. They voted for 392 00:22:24.320 --> 00:22:28.440 Obama and Miami Dade County was the bluest county in 393 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:32.280 Florida and then it turned red. Why because in twenty 394 00:22:32.320 --> 00:22:37.120 twenty they really brought home that Biden is a communist. 395 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:39.439 Biden is a communist. Biden is a communist. And if 396 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:41.320 he's not communisty enough where you look at the people 397 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:43.600 he surrounds himself with, so is. 398 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:45.600 President Biden a communist? 399 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:46.679 Of course he is. 400 00:22:46.840 --> 00:22:48.720 One of the many reasons why Joe Biden's going to 401 00:22:48.840 --> 00:22:51.920