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<v Speaker 1>This is Latino USA, the Radio Journal of News and

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<v Speaker 1>Kurtur Latino US Latin Latino USA.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Maria Inojosa.

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<v Speaker 1>We bring you stories that are underreported but that mattered

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<v Speaker 1>to you, overlooked by the rest of the media, and

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<v Speaker 1>while the country is struggling to deal with these, we

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the stories of Black and Latino Studios United

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<v Speaker 1>Latino Front, a cultural renaissance organizing at the forefront of

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<v Speaker 1>the movement. I'm Maria Ino Jossa. No dear Latino USA listener,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you're well. Here's a show from the archives.

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<v Speaker 3>I think someone we know isn't here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and we know this person, I think pretty well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Wednesday morning in June. The Smithsonian's National Museum

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<v Speaker 2>of American History in Washington, d C. Is mostly empty

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Its stores won't open to the public for

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<v Speaker 2>another hour and a half. But my colleague Alejandra Salasada

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<v Speaker 2>and I cut early access today, so we're here, and

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<v Speaker 2>so is our boss. Well kind of yeah, that's Maria.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like fun. She's standing there with hoop earrings and

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<v Speaker 2>her red lipstick.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so she isn't actually here here, but she's on

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<v Speaker 3>a screen in front of us, dressed in a black

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<v Speaker 3>jump student heels, welcoming us to a groundbreaking new exhibition

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<v Speaker 3>called Presente a Latino History of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Standing here with Ray, my colleague. You just heard from

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<v Speaker 3>Renaldo Lanos Junior, and we're face to face with a

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<v Speaker 3>life size video of Maria no Josa.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Maria, Hey, Maria, Maria. It's one of about a

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<v Speaker 2>dozen Latinos and Latinas featured in this exhibition for their

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<v Speaker 2>work in the Latino community.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm the executive.

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<v Speaker 2>She pops up on screens in the center of the

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<v Speaker 2>gallery space, along with others a nurse, an immigration activist,

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<v Speaker 2>other journalists like her.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of funny. We usually don't have Maria watching

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<v Speaker 3>us while we're out working as producers for Latino USA.

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<v Speaker 2>Brecente's house in the Molina Latino Family Gallery. It's in

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<v Speaker 2>the Museum of American History, and it's the Smithsonian's first

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<v Speaker 2>permanent space dedicated to the Latino experience in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>That alone is something remarkable. But we're here to cover

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<v Speaker 2>the opening of this show mainly because it's a precursor

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<v Speaker 2>of something big to come.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you all for being here today and helping us

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<v Speaker 5>celebrate this moment to stay Today, we celebrate this new gallery,

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<v Speaker 5>and soon we will celebrate an entire museum dedicates to

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<v Speaker 5>the rich and vibrant history of the American Latino.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Corges Amanillo. He's the inaugural director of the upcoming museum.

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<v Speaker 3>He's talking about the Smithsonians National Museum of the American Latino,

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<v Speaker 3>and Precente is a major step towards that museum.

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<v Speaker 5>Like our democracy, we're all part of this new museum.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope you enjoy the exhibit, and due course I

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<v Speaker 5>look forward to seeing you all at the new National

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<v Speaker 5>Museum of the American Latino. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>From Fudromedia and PRX. It's Latino USA. I'm marieo Hosa.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we trace the origins of the National Museum of

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<v Speaker 1>the American Latino and how it's starting to take shape.

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<v Speaker 1>Museums are political spaces. They carry a big responsibility to

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<v Speaker 1>decide which stories and artifacts to preserve across generations. Over time,

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<v Speaker 1>they help define our social and cultural identities. The Smithsonian

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<v Speaker 1>Institution is no exception, home to some of our biggest

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<v Speaker 1>national museums. The Smithsonian strives to capture the history and

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<v Speaker 1>culture of the entire United States, but that's easier said

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<v Speaker 1>than done. The institution has repeatedly failed to fulfill its

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<v Speaker 1>mission in the past, especially when it comes to honoring

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<v Speaker 1>and spotlighting black, Brown, Asian, and Indigenous people. Now, nearly

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<v Speaker 1>two centuries after the Smithsonian was founded, its roster is

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<v Speaker 1>expanding to include the National Museum of the American Latino.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting here was decades in the making. In nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>the Smithsonian released a report called Willful Neglect, which found

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<v Speaker 1>that Latinos and Latinas were left out in nearly every

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of the Smithsonian's operation. The report made waves, and

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<v Speaker 1>it sparked a campaign to create a national museum for

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<v Speaker 1>Latinos and Latinas. After two decades, in late twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress finally approved the creation of the National Museum of

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<v Speaker 1>the American Latino. The National Museum of the American Latino

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even have a building yet, and it's not expected

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<v Speaker 1>to open to the public for at least another decade.

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<v Speaker 1>But the museum is already making moves. A founding director,

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<v Speaker 1>a board, and some core staff have been hired, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's even debuted its first show it's already creating a

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<v Speaker 1>foundation that the rest of the institution will be built

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<v Speaker 1>off of, and that calls for some scrutiny. Full disclosure. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I was interviewed and featured in the museum's latest show, Precente,

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<v Speaker 1>because of my work as a Latina journalist, but I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been involved with the project in any other way,

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<v Speaker 1>and neither has my team, and I haven't been involved

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<v Speaker 1>in reporting out this story. So with that said, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you create a national Latino Museum Latino USA? Producers

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<v Speaker 1>Alejandra Salasad and Reinaldo Les Junior trace how years of

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<v Speaker 1>advocacy led us to this moment, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>explore how the museum takes its first steps towards becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a reality.

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<v Speaker 3>We walk into the Smithsonian's Museum of American History, and

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<v Speaker 3>we're welcomed by the word Precente. It's in all caps,

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<v Speaker 3>cut out of a large black panel at the entrance

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<v Speaker 3>of Molina Gallery. Brecenta's mission is to showcase how Latino

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<v Speaker 3>history is American history. That's a significant challenge, and the

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<v Speaker 3>show's ambition becomes even clearer when we go inside because

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<v Speaker 3>the gallery isn't that big. It's basically one large room,

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<v Speaker 3>a modest size for a gallery meant to tell centries

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<v Speaker 3>of LATINX narratives. Colorful artifacts hang on the wall. The

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<v Speaker 3>first piece that greets us is this bright red dance

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<v Speaker 3>outfit from New Mexico used in ceremonies honoring Native people

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<v Speaker 6>And this is like this really beautiful dress with fringe

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<v Speaker 2>And beadwork behind it. There's like, you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>videoplane of wolf who are you know who are dancing

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<v Speaker 2>and playing with some of their music as well.

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<v Speaker 3>More items, over two hundred of them placed around the

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<v Speaker 3>gallery tell stories of migration, colonialism, political movements, and LATINX culture.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a registration form from eighteen sixty seven for Enslaved

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<v Speaker 3>Persons in Puerto Rico, a nineteenth century printing press evoking

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<v Speaker 3>the work of LATINX journalists and writers who documented historic

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<v Speaker 3>moments like the Mexican American War. Tiny makeshift raft made

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<v Speaker 3>of found materials like wood and styrofoam. Cuban refugees used

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<v Speaker 3>it to make a two hundred and fifteen mile journey

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<v Speaker 3>to the US back in the nineties. In old skateboard

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<v Speaker 3>and vintage punk music, records, a backpack and sneakers worn

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<v Speaker 3>by migrants, construction hats and graduation caps, protest signs, and

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<v Speaker 3>statuettes of Catholic saints. In other settings, these pieces might

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<v Speaker 3>be dismissed as small everyday items. Now they sit under

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<v Speaker 3>spotlights in a national gallery space, each offering a small

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<v Speaker 3>gateway to another person's life. Ray and I walk up

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<v Speaker 3>to a sculpture. As we take in the piece, we

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<v Speaker 3>get to speak with Henry Mugnos, the chairman of the

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<v Speaker 7>If you made me pick one thing in this entire gallery,

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<v Speaker 7>I would pick the Tree of Life by Mayestra Veronica Castillo.

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<v Speaker 8>I just think it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>The Tree of Life arbol de la Vida in Spanish

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<v Speaker 3>l l la Vida is a popular kind of sculpture

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<v Speaker 3>found throughout Mexico and inspired by the Biblical Tree of Life.

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<v Speaker 3>Nonica's version here looks like a multi colored skeleton of

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<v Speaker 3>a tree made of clay. Small figurines of latinx icons

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<v Speaker 3>rest on its branches, like labor organizers, the Lorees Guerta

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<v Speaker 3>and Emmatena Juca. Supreme Court Justice Sonia sot Major Baseball

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<v Speaker 3>player Mariano Rivera, artist Anna Mendieta.

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<v Speaker 8>I just think it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 7>It's Scott, the LGBTQ community, look at the astronauts.

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<v Speaker 8>The storytelling is just fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>Henry has been involved with public efforts to create a

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<v Speaker 3>national LATINX museum for close to thirty years, basically since

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<v Speaker 3>the Wilful Neglect Report revealed the lack of LATINX representation

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<v Speaker 3>within the Smithsonian.

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<v Speaker 7>One of those people who's been waiting five hundred years

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<v Speaker 7>for this to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Henry's frustration over the slow moving process of making a

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<v Speaker 3>new museum echoes across the Smithsonian's history. For example, the

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<v Speaker 3>creation of the Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't approved until November nineteen eighty nine, Yes, nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>For more than a decade prior, Native American tribes and

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<v Speaker 3>activists were publicly calling out museums across the country for

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<v Speaker 3>stealing the bones and artifacts of their ancestors. At the

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<v Speaker 3>center of it all was the Smithsonian, which was holding

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<v Speaker 3>the skeletal remains of approximately eighteen thousand Native Americans. In

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<v Speaker 3>September nineteen eighty nine, the Smithsonian finally agreed to repatriat

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<v Speaker 3>remains to their respective tribes, a process that's still ongoing today.

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<v Speaker 3>That same year, legislation to create a National Museum of

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<v Speaker 3>the American Indian under the Smithsonian was introduced and passed

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<v Speaker 3>in Congress. Fifteen years later, in two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 3>the museum in Washington, d C. Finally opened its doors.

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<v Speaker 3>Following generations of exclusion and theft from Native Americans, it

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<v Speaker 3>took the institution about one hundred and fifty years to

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<v Speaker 3>highlight the people whose land its museums stand on to

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<v Speaker 3>begin with. Another example is the most recent Smithsonian Museum,

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<v Speaker 3>the National Museum of African American History and Culture, literally

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<v Speaker 3>took a century to become a reality. Black Civil War

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<v Speaker 3>veterans proposed the idea of for a monument or memorial

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<v Speaker 3>for African Americans in nineteen fifteen, and a bill was

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<v Speaker 3>introduced to Congress a year later, but the idea would

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<v Speaker 3>take years to garner political support, and even when it

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<v Speaker 3>looked like it might happen every few decades or so,

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<v Speaker 3>Congress wouldn't a lot enough funding to the project. An

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<v Speaker 3>iteration of that legislation with partial funding was finally approved

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<v Speaker 3>by Congress in two thousand and three, and the museum

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<v Speaker 3>opened to the public over a decade later in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Like these other museums, Henry believes a National Latino Museum

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<v Speaker 3>is a chance to capture the various and varied roles

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<v Speaker 3>Latinos have played in shaping this country.

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<v Speaker 7>Our people have been here since before there was a

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<v Speaker 7>United States of America, and so this gallery has an

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<v Speaker 7>opportunity to create cultural understanding at a moment in our

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<v Speaker 7>country's history where we really need it.

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<v Speaker 3>Henry has spent decades working with the Smithsonian. He served

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<v Speaker 3>on its national Board, and he eventually became the chairman

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<v Speaker 3>of the Latino Center, the Smithsonian's response to its infamous report.

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<v Speaker 3>Henry's a big donor too. His name is on the

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<v Speaker 3>wall at the entrance of the Precenta exhibition. It represents

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<v Speaker 3>what he's been advocating for all these years.

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<v Speaker 7>So the fact that it took, you know, thirty years

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<v Speaker 7>of educating not just the members of Congress but the

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<v Speaker 7>public about the importance of this museum is.

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<v Speaker 8>That's just the way it is.

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm glad that we're here today, and I hope

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<v Speaker 7>I'm here long enough to see the opening of the

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<v Speaker 7>doors of the National Museum of American Latino.

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<v Speaker 2>Henry mentions Congress because way before the creation of a

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<v Speaker 2>Latino museum was even a possibility, the battle to try

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<v Speaker 2>to make that happen took place on Capitol Hill.

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<v Speaker 9>My name is Ileana Ross Clayton, and and I was

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<v Speaker 9>a member of Congress for almost thirty years representing South Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Ileana was born in Cuba and then moved to the

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<v Speaker 2>US when she was just eight years old. She was

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<v Speaker 2>As a congresswoman, Ileana says she formally started pushing for

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<v Speaker 2>a Latino museum back in two thousand and four, but

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<v Speaker 2>she admits she saw the need for this much much sooner.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, when I got elected in nineteen eighty nine, my

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<v Speaker 9>these beautiful museums that we have here in Washington, d c.

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<v Speaker 9>And part of the Smithsonian Collage of Museums, and I

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<v Speaker 9>would always be amazed that there was never any any

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<v Speaker 9>section or any museum devoted to the growing impact of

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<v Speaker 9>Hispanic communities throughout the United States. And I said, Wow,

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<v Speaker 9>that's really missing. You know, maybe we should do something

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<v Speaker 2>To understand why Eleanna, a congresswoman, needed to get involved

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<v Speaker 2>in this issue, we have to first understand that the

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<v Speaker 2>Smithsonian is actually part of the federal government. It's granted

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<v Speaker 2>authority over its own grounds and buildings, but it depends

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<v Speaker 2>on Congress for some funding and the authorization of major

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<v Speaker 2>projects projects like a National Latino Museum, and the Smithsonian

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, more than sixty percent of the institution's funding

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<v Speaker 2>came from the federal government. Creating a National Latino Museum

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<v Speaker 2>became a legislative priority for Ileana, and she started working

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<v Speaker 2>on it with former Congressman Jose Serrano, a Democrat from

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<v Speaker 9>We fussed about whether it should be called Hispanic American

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<v Speaker 9>or Latino I mean, Jos, all kinds of words that

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<v Speaker 9>you could throw out as to who we were, and

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<v Speaker 9>finally it was settled on the National Museum of the

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<v Speaker 2>Then it was time to draft some legislation.

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<v Speaker 9>Jose and I filed a bill that would create a

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<v Speaker 9>commission to study whether we could have such a museum.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't introduce legislation to create a National Latino Museum

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<v Speaker 2>without formally exploring the possibility first. After several years of

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<v Speaker 2>pushing for it, the creation of the commission was approved

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<v Speaker 2>at the tail end of George W. Bush's time in

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<v Speaker 2>office in two thousand and eight. The commission wouldn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>be formed until a year later under the Obama administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember Henry Munos now the chairman of the National Museum

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<v Speaker 2>of the American Latino. He was also the person chosen

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<v Speaker 2>to lead this commission. This is Henry talking at a

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine press conference about the work ahead.

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<v Speaker 10>I want to say that at this moment in our

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<v Speaker 10>nation's history, the appointment of a commission that is composed

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<v Speaker 10>of citizen members of people who will volunteer their time

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<v Speaker 10>over the court of the next year to look at

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<v Speaker 10>the location, the concepts, the collections, and the fundraising to

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<v Speaker 10>create a National Museum of the American Latino is historic.

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<v Speaker 2>The group wrapped up and presented its findings to the

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<v Speaker 2>President in twenty eleven. The result was what Ileana and

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<v Speaker 2>supporting colleagues were hoping for, building a museum for Latinos

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<v Speaker 2>on the National mall was possible and vital. Anything less

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<v Speaker 9>Once we had that, then we wanted to actually build

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<v Speaker 9>the museum. Oh boy, it's a task worthy of hercules.

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<v Speaker 9>But in twenty seventeen we introduced the National Museum of

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<v Speaker 9>the American Latino Act. And I'm sorry to give you

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<v Speaker 9>such a chronology, but it's been quite a struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>The bill had a surprising amount of bipartisan support behind it,

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<v Speaker 2>especially from senators and House members who represented areas with

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<v Speaker 2>large LATINX populations. The National Latino Museum was backed by

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<v Speaker 2>people like then California Congressman Javiert Becera. Today he's President

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<v Speaker 11>If you walk through the mall of the nation's capital,

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<v Speaker 11>you could come out understanding better than any place also

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<v Speaker 11>the world, what it means to be an American. But

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<v Speaker 11>once you finish that walk through all those museums along

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<v Speaker 2>Former Senator Ken Salas out of Colorado and Senator Bob

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<v Speaker 2>Menendez of New Jersey, both Democrats, supported the museum, and

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<v Speaker 2>some Republican heavyweights also threw their support behind it. The

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<v Speaker 2>late Senator Orrin Hatch from Utah was an early proponent,

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<v Speaker 2>that would make the museum official. But it wasn't all

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<v Speaker 2>smooth sailing.

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<v Speaker 9>There were many moments where we thought, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 9>this is just never going to get off the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>There were many arguments against creating a National Latino Museum,

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<v Speaker 2>things like it was too expensive or too political. There

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<v Speaker 2>were also objections to building on the National Mall. One

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<v Speaker 2>line of thinking from several people in Congress was that, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>if we give Latinos a museum, then every quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>minority group is going to want one. Another popular suggestion

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<v Speaker 2>among those not in favor was, instead of a Latino museum,

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<v Speaker 2>why not a national immigration museum. Wouldn't that be more

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<v Speaker 2>inclusive of other communities. Here's Utah Senator Mike Lee, who

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<v Speaker 2>at one point blocked legislation to create a National Latino Museum.

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<v Speaker 12>But the last thing we need is to further divide

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<v Speaker 12>an already divided nation with an array of segregated, separate

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<v Speaker 12>but equal museums for hyphenated identity groups.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an ongoing tug of war, and the bill

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<v Speaker 2>kept getting bogged down and kicked off the floor for

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<v Speaker 2>many years. Then December twenty twenty came along. We were

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<v Speaker 2>in the midst of an unprecedented pandemic and political tensions

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<v Speaker 2>in the US were reaching all time highs. Congress was

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<v Speaker 2>on the verge of passing COVID nineteen relief legislation, so

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<v Speaker 2>Iliana and her colleagues decided to attach their bill for

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<v Speaker 2>a National Latino Museum to this larger package. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a tactical move, she says. They knew the COVID legislation

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<v Speaker 2>had to pass, and it finally did on December twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. The National Latino Museum was wrapped up in

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<v Speaker 2>a nearly nine hundred billion dollars COVID nineteen relief package

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<v Speaker 2>like a trojan horse. Iliana says, the Trump administration took

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<v Speaker 2>it in stride.

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<v Speaker 9>I guess some people would think that it was ironic,

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<v Speaker 9>but actually the Trump administration did not fight this bill

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<v Speaker 3>The President's signature greenlit the creation of the National Museum

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<v Speaker 3>of the American Latino. It also approved its funding model.

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<v Speaker 3>Half of the money would come from Congress and half

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<v Speaker 3>would need to be fundraised from private donors. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>same funding model the National Museum of African American History

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<v Speaker 3>and Culture used. The cost of the National Latino Museum

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<v Speaker 3>is projected to be anywhere between six hundred to eight

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<v Speaker 3>hundred million dollars, though that's subject to change. The museum

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<v Speaker 3>is going to need some big funders, which often means

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<v Speaker 3>big companies. Walmart, Microsoft, Wells, Fargo, Bank of America, and

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<v Speaker 3>Coca Cola are among those that have already pledged some millions.

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<v Speaker 3>Along with securing its funding, the museum also needs to

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<v Speaker 3>find its home. The location is highly contested right now,

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<v Speaker 3>either to be on the National Mall across from the

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<v Speaker 3>a different site. And then there's the question of staffing

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<v Speaker 3>and curation and along that process, building an institution for

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<v Speaker 3>the future that is representative of everyone in the LATINX community,

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<v Speaker 3>cross generations, race, gender, and nationality. Easy right, Yeah. Precente

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<v Speaker 3>started to give life to the National Museum of the

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<v Speaker 3>American Latino and as the space becomes more and more tangible,

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<v Speaker 3>more real, people within the community are starting to ask

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<v Speaker 3>whose stories are going to be on its walls and

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<v Speaker 3>floors and who might be left out. Here's Henry Munos

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<v Speaker 7>Again, well it's a queer brown chairman of the National

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<v Speaker 7>Museum of the American Latino. I would say that museums

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<v Speaker 7>have always their strongest when there are places of conversation,

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<v Speaker 7>and those conversations are not always easy. And this is

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<v Speaker 7>the beginning of this process. So I would say, come

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<v Speaker 1>Who gets to be part of the National Museum of

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<v Speaker 1>the American Latino, both behind the scenes and on display.

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<v Speaker 1>That question hangs in the ballots as this institution begins

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<v Speaker 1>When we left off, we heard from some of the

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<v Speaker 1>the American Latino a reality. Now, as efforts to build

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<v Speaker 1>it are underway, we're going to dive behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>to try to understand the vision of this museum and

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<v Speaker 1>how crucial it is to include different voices in the process.

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<v Speaker 2>At Waterloo, dis is giving us a tour of some

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<v Speaker 13>This has been seven years of a lot of hard work.

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<v Speaker 13>We started from nothing. We had no project manager, we

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<v Speaker 13>had no space, we had no money, you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>Until recently, at Wataho was the director of the Smithsonian

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<v Speaker 2>Latino Center. The center has been around since nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the Smithsonian's response to its report about Latino.

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<v Speaker 2>At Waado let the center from two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 2>until it got absorbed into the Museum of the American Latino.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last two years. At Wardo is now the

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<v Speaker 13>And I love very much that we're able to tell

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<v Speaker 2>Know about, stories like so Theo Figaroa's.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, he is Afro Puerto Rican guy, and of course,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, we know that Afro Puerto Ricans didn't have

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<v Speaker 13>too Figaroa so literate, so committed was he was a typesetter.

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<v Speaker 13>So that's the way he learned it and enhances his literacy.

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<v Speaker 2>So Thato later moved to New York, where he founded

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<v Speaker 2>Manhattan that produced the Cuban Revolutionary Parties newspaper. He also

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<v Speaker 13>You see toy Purina the San Gabriel over here. She

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<v Speaker 13>which were essentially it was enslavement as basically. But we

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<v Speaker 13>don't know about toy Purina, right, and there's so many

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<v Speaker 13>other characters. So who was the Stevan Nico, right, the

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<v Speaker 13>first African person to come out to the American continent. Right,

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<v Speaker 13>it's a slave, a Berber Muslim. And then there's Pope

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<v Speaker 13>that the Bublo we're bolted sixteen eighty that bluted the

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<v Speaker 13>Spaniards out of what is not Santa Fin.

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<v Speaker 2>Eduardo says that a sculpture of Pueblo revolutionary leader Pope

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<v Speaker 2>indigenous roots. The black and Greek piece was made in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen by Pueblo artists Virgil Ortiz. Along with Eduardo's

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<v Speaker 2>There were artifacts and stories about US expansion and the

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<v Speaker 2>There were still some things missing. Latinos hail from more

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<v Speaker 2>their histories were visible. There also weren't a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>out front and center, and a lot of the acknowledges

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<v Speaker 2>they had to make some tough calls.

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<v Speaker 13>For example, Brazilians are not reflected here. And you know,

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<v Speaker 13>they're from a Portuguese speaking country. And this is not

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<v Speaker 8>It's American Latino.

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<v Speaker 13>As far as I'm concerned, they're part of our community,

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<v Speaker 2>The National Museum of the American Latino won't be open

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<v Speaker 2>at the Molina Gallery will continue to be a space

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<v Speaker 2>for the museum to figure out how to tell the

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<v Speaker 2>figure out how they can make it better. After Precente,

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<v Speaker 2>the team at the Smithsonian plans to create other exhibitions,

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<v Speaker 2>including shows about Latinos in the military and Latino youth activism.

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<v Speaker 2>But for now, one takeaway from this show for everyone

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<v Speaker 2>is that there's still a lot of work ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>The Smithsonian is incredibly important.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm a historian, that's my academic discipline, and I've also

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<v Speaker 14>taken classes on public history. That's what museums are, essentially

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<v Speaker 14>public history right there, right for the people, for anyone

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<v Speaker 14>to come in.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Rosa Clemente. She's a scholar, orer, and independent

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<v Speaker 3>journalist whose work centers on Afro Black, LATINX communities and identity.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in two thousand and eight, she also ran for

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<v Speaker 3>vice president on the Green Party ticket. For years now,

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<v Speaker 3>she's been following the ongoing process to create a national

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<v Speaker 3>museum for Latinos, and she's already feeling skeptical about the

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<v Speaker 3>direction of the space.

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<v Speaker 4>Should the Smithsonian have a museum for us? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 14>The problem is even saying the Museum of the American Latino,

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<v Speaker 14>what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, who do you include in Latino.

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<v Speaker 3>As a historian Brosa says she finds herself drawn to

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<v Speaker 3>museums as spaces for discourse and archiving, but as a

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<v Speaker 3>black Puerto Rican woman, she's all too aware of how

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<v Speaker 3>these institutions often fail her in her community. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>until she got to college that she began to understand

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<v Speaker 3>her own history. She just didn't have access to that

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge growing up.

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<v Speaker 14>I don't even think I knew why Puerto Rico was

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<v Speaker 14>a just I knew I was Puerto Rican, and I

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<v Speaker 14>was always proud of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Rosa began to look for spaces that were intentionally built

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<v Speaker 3>for her and her Afro Black communities, which is very

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<v Speaker 3>different from institutions that simply just make room. She says,

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<v Speaker 3>you can always tell the difference.

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<v Speaker 14>I love going to museums a part of me. When

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<v Speaker 14>I walk into them, I look at what's on the wall,

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<v Speaker 14>and then I go, who's not here? And that's how

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<v Speaker 14>I feel this museum is going to be. It's going

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<v Speaker 14>to open one day and fifteen million of us are

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<v Speaker 14>going to walk in and be like, where are we?

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<v Speaker 3>That's why she felt she had to call out the Smithsonian.

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<v Speaker 3>Earlier this year, Rosa wrote an op ed for the

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<v Speaker 3>new site Latino Rebels, which, like this show, is a

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<v Speaker 3>futuro media property. Her piece was titled Afro Black LATINX

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<v Speaker 3>People the Missing Pieces of National Museum of the American Latino.

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<v Speaker 3>Rosa was concerned that the stewards of this new museum

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<v Speaker 3>were excluding Afro Black, Latino, Latino and LATINX history and

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<v Speaker 3>input in this space. She drew that conclusion after learning

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<v Speaker 3>that a lot of folks who were publicly advocating for

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<v Speaker 3>the museum did not identify as black or Afro Latinx themselves.

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<v Speaker 14>There's sixty five millions LATINX people potentially. Now imagine if

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<v Speaker 14>one out of every four of us identified as black,

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<v Speaker 14>that's fifteen million of us. They fundamentally know they can't

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<v Speaker 14>move forward without us. They want us, without us having

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<v Speaker 14>any politic or power in these discussions and the work itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Shortly after rosa zoped was published, the National Museum of

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<v Speaker 3>the American Latino reached out to Latino Repels and to

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<v Speaker 3>Rossa to respond and to add a clarification. They said

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<v Speaker 3>that she specifically called out the board of an unaffiliated

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<v Speaker 3>advocacy group called Friends of the National Museum of the

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<v Speaker 3>American Latino. The advocacy group told Latino Usay that they

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<v Speaker 3>agree that inclusivity needs to be a priority one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>percent and they're working on opening their lines of communication

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<v Speaker 3>to see how they can improve in that area. But

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<v Speaker 3>they also said the question of inclusion and diversity will

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately be the responsibility of the Smithsonian. For her part,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's an outside advocacy group or the real deal,

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<v Speaker 3>Rosa stands by her bigger picture critique.

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<v Speaker 14>Why do you need to differentiate if you are all

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<v Speaker 14>working towards creating this museum and making surance on the

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<v Speaker 14>mall in DC. Your cherry picking right now to try

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<v Speaker 14>to break down my argument as opposed to dealing with

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<v Speaker 14>the issue at hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Leading the charge at the National Museum of the American

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<v Speaker 2>Latino is its new director, Jorge Zamanio. You heard from

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<v Speaker 2>him at the beginning of the show when he was

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<v Speaker 2>welcoming us to Precente before this. Has spent more than

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years at the History of Miami Museum, most recently

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<v Speaker 2>as its executive director. And see, oh now he's the

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<v Speaker 2>director of a museum that doesn't even physically exist yet,

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<v Speaker 2>so if you can imagine, his responsibilities are already pretty substantial.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to raise hundreds of millions of dollars, You

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<v Speaker 5>have to travel across the United States collecting stories and

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<v Speaker 5>artifacts and objects along with your team. Of course, you

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<v Speaker 5>know you need to consider all those things.

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<v Speaker 2>We interviewed him a few weeks before he officially became

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<v Speaker 2>executive director of the Museum of the American Latino That

510
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<v Speaker 2>was back in May. We asked him about his plans

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<v Speaker 2>to address the wide range and scope of the LATINX

512
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<v Speaker 2>community in the museum, including matters of race, nationality, and gender.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he's aware of the matter, but he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really have a specific game plan yet.

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<v Speaker 5>We know that Latino community is not a monolithic group, right,

516
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<v Speaker 5>different backgrounds and different needs, and that's really important. So

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<v Speaker 5>the team and I are really going to cover as

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<v Speaker 5>many things as possible and many topics to try to

519
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<v Speaker 5>explore what needs to be told and how's presented, because

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<v Speaker 5>it's tough, you know, you don't have space for everything.

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<v Speaker 2>What hit also said that he's working with staff from

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<v Speaker 2>the former Latino Center who have now joined the museum.

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<v Speaker 2>For years, they've developed content and work with Smithsonian Museums

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<v Speaker 2>on exhibitions, and Horgue says that a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>foundational work has already been underway thanks to them. To

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<v Speaker 2>build off that work, what Hit talked about creating a

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<v Speaker 2>widely accessible institution, that's a big priority for him.

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<v Speaker 5>I want our presence to be throughout the United States

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<v Speaker 5>and Latino communities. So that's going to be a new

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<v Speaker 5>way we develop a museum where we take it out

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<v Speaker 5>into communities across the United States, maybe as satellite exhibits,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe as travelers, and ways to engage different communities, especially

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<v Speaker 5>those that cannot make the trip to DC. How are

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<v Speaker 5>they going to experience this and how are they going

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<v Speaker 5>to share their story? So that's what we need to

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<v Speaker 5>figure out over the next few years.

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<v Speaker 2>We also ask here about his vision for the museum

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<v Speaker 2>in the long term.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going to be a vision that's developed not only

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<v Speaker 5>by the team and myself, but really by talking to

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<v Speaker 5>people and challenging ourselves. What can we do better than

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<v Speaker 5>other museums find these stories of wise museum matters right?

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<v Speaker 5>And how do we make sure that this Latino history

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<v Speaker 5>is American history. That's going to be a challenge and

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have the answer for it right now what

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<v Speaker 5>that main vision is, but it's gonna be fun to explore.

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<v Speaker 2>The museum is currently a work in progress, but overall

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<v Speaker 2>it seems that there are still way more questions than

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<v Speaker 2>answers about the future of this space.

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<v Speaker 3>For Rosa, it still feels disingenuous to have an institution

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<v Speaker 3>like the Smithsonian, one with a history of centering whiteness

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<v Speaker 3>and colonialism, claim to be prioritizing diversity.

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<v Speaker 14>Ultimately, Museum Shop is to make sure that every story,

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<v Speaker 14>whether bad or good, is told.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether we were.

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<v Speaker 14>Excluded one time and now we're not. So those are

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<v Speaker 14>the things that I also think people are grappingly with

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<v Speaker 14>in a way. But also we have to be careful

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<v Speaker 14>how much time we spend begging people to include us.

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<v Speaker 3>Rosa says she doesn't want to feel like a visual prop,

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<v Speaker 3>and she has a point. The Molina Gallery, the new

562
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<v Speaker 3>state of the art space holding the Precenta exhibition, is

563
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<v Speaker 3>only about forty five hundred square feet in size. Compare

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<v Speaker 3>that to the three hundred and twenty five thousand square

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<v Speaker 3>feet available to the public in the entire Museum of

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<v Speaker 3>American History. It's just a little bit more than one

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<v Speaker 3>percent of the total space of this massive building dedicated

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<v Speaker 3>to American history and culture. Considering Latinos represent nineteen percent

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<v Speaker 3>of the US population. It's telling that a space like

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<v Speaker 3>this completely dedicated to Latinos and Latinas never existed in

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<v Speaker 3>this particular museum to begin with. According to Rosa, if

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<v Speaker 3>only elite, non black folks are involved from the start,

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<v Speaker 3>all you're doing is building an elite non black museum.

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<v Speaker 3>Any talk of inclusion or diversity after that just feels

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<v Speaker 3>like lip service to her.

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<v Speaker 14>The reality is the entire experience of the American Latino

577
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<v Speaker 14>is rooted in black and brownness. That should be the

578
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<v Speaker 14>center's part, and everything gets built from that, not throwing

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<v Speaker 14>us in because some people are speaking out or somebody

580
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<v Speaker 14>was like, wait a minute, everybody here, There is not

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<v Speaker 14>one Afro black Latino person represented.

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<v Speaker 3>As Precente, and the museum gained momentum. More people are

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<v Speaker 3>getting vocal with their thoughts. Outlets including The Hill and

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<v Speaker 3>All American, published conservative reviews of Precente, criticizing what authors

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<v Speaker 3>identified as a streak of radical leftism in the show.

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<v Speaker 3>They said Precente failed to condemn left wing dictatorships in

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<v Speaker 3>Latin America and left out Latinx contributions to the US military.

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<v Speaker 3>They also took issue with its quote unquote woke take

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<v Speaker 3>on American expansionism as a successor to Spanish colonialism. One

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<v Speaker 3>piece even called for Congress to revoke its funding for

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<v Speaker 3>the National Museum of the American Latino entirely. Earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 3>the museum announced the formation of a scholarly advisory committee.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighteen prominent LATINX academics from across the country joined the council,

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<v Speaker 3>bringing their expertise in a range of topics such as

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<v Speaker 3>literature and journalism, politics and law, LGBTQ issues, Central American migration,

596
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<v Speaker 3>Mexican American identity, the African diaspora, Caribbean history, and the

597
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<v Speaker 3>list goes on. Their job formerly is to review exhibitions

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<v Speaker 3>and help guide the vision Jorge was talking about earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're not sure exactly how their work will manifest

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<v Speaker 3>and how influential their input will actually be. The opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>at hand is unique, a museum by about and four

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<v Speaker 3>Latinxes on one of the nation's biggest platforms. No single

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<v Speaker 3>means museum will ever satisfy everyone, but if this is

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<v Speaker 3>to be a truly representative museum of the American Latino,

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<v Speaker 3>we must keep holding it to that standard.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the National Mall in DC is bustling today. Tourists

607
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:24.759
<v Speaker 2>are walking around with their families, People in suits are

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<v Speaker 2>making their way back to work after lunch. Cars zoom

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<v Speaker 2>past us. There's also an ice cream truck park kind

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<v Speaker 2>of close by, and it's blasting its music. It's around

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<v Speaker 2>noon and the sun is out and bright and hot.

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<v Speaker 2>But Aleh and I sit down anyway under the shade

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<v Speaker 2>of a large tree. Have you been to the mall before?

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<v Speaker 2>I have, But like, as like a tourist, so like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always when I come to DC, I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what is actually in the mall? You know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not like to too. Like, we just walked out

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<v Speaker 2>of Ercente and took a fifteen minute long stroll up

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<v Speaker 2>the mall to reach this particular spot.

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<v Speaker 15>This is the plot where a lot of advocates, including

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<v Speaker 15>folks of the Smithsonian, want the Museum of the American

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<v Speaker 15>Latino to stand. It's not the biggest plot of land,

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<v Speaker 15>but it's like it's kind of an iconic setting. Right

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<v Speaker 15>here in front of me is the Washington Monument, and

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<v Speaker 15>then right across the way, almost.

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<v Speaker 6>Like poetically, is the National Museum of African American History

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<v Speaker 6>and culture.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't the only site that's being considered for the museum.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a spot adjacent to the Senate side of the

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<v Speaker 2>Capitol Building too. Some people have toyed with the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of refurbishing some existing buildings, like the Smithsonian's Arts and

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<v Speaker 2>Industries building, or even the Department of Agriculture, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the only federal agency on the National Mall and is

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<v Speaker 2>housed in this giant, elegant building. This spot, though it's

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<v Speaker 2>calm and it's right in the middle of everything, was

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<v Speaker 2>to happen here, I feel a lot of the people

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<v Speaker 2>that we've spoken with would almost feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>mission accomplished, you know, to really have it here in

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<v Speaker 2>the center at the National Mall, accessible for everyone.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a right now, there's like a little trail, there's

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of old trees.

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<v Speaker 3>All around, and it's kind of it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Very peaceful and kind of lovely the way it is.

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<v Speaker 6>But this is kind of the spot that could maybe

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<v Speaker 6>have newt life in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>As Ala and I sit here taking it in, we

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<v Speaker 2>feel all the potential this place holds. If the Latino

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<v Speaker 2>Museum is built here, it could represent the national scale

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<v Speaker 2>recognition Latinx's have deserved and demanded of the Smithsonian. We're

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<v Speaker 2>also left with so many questions, questions that can only

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<v Speaker 2>be answered with time. Yes, it's going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>decade to bring this space to life, and we will

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<v Speaker 2>continue to hold the Smithsonian accountable to creating a museum

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<v Speaker 2>that is honest and thoroughly inclusive of the LATINX community.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is also a massive institution with the history

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<v Speaker 2>of exclusion, and after decades of wilful neglect, some skepticism

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<v Speaker 2>is warranted. Can we trust that they'll get this right?

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<v Speaker 1>And dear listener. Since this story first aired in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, the National Museum of the American Latino has

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<v Speaker 1>been recently in the news.

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<v Speaker 4>Edward Blum, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Man known for his successful push to end affirmative action

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<v Speaker 1>at colleges in the United States, filed a lawsuit against

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<v Speaker 1>the director of the Latino Museum. Blum claimed that the

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<v Speaker 1>Latino Museum's internship program was discriminatory and that it had

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<v Speaker 1>violated the Constitution because the museum had not had a

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<v Speaker 1>non Latino intern during its two years of existence. The

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuit was just settled this past March, with the museum

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<v Speaker 1>saying that its program is quote equally open to students

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<v Speaker 1>of all races and ethnicities end quote. This episode was

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<v Speaker 1>produced by Alejandra Salasad and Renaldo Leanos Junior. It was

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<v Speaker 1>edited by Andre Lopez Cruzado and mixed by Andy Bosnak.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact checking for this episode by Elisa Baena. The Latino

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<v Speaker 1>USA team also includes Victoria Estrada, Dori mar Marquez, Marta Martinez,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Sargent, Nor Saudi, and Nancy Truquillo. BENILLEI Ramirez is

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<v Speaker 1>our co executive producer. Our director of Engineering is Stephanie Lebau.

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<v Speaker 1>Our senior engineer is Julia Carusso. Additional engineering support by

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<v Speaker 1>Gabriel Le Bias and JJ Krubin. Our marketing manager is

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<v Speaker 1>Luis Luna. Our theme music was composed by Sania Ruinos.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host and executive producer Maria Jojosa. Join us

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<v Speaker 1>again on our next episode. In the meantime, I'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you on all of our social media and remember none way,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes Bye.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh thank you guys. You're so wonderful. Let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 9>I thought it was silly when you first said to

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<v Speaker 9>put this microphone. I thought, oh, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 9>going to be the same kind of But I have

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<v Speaker 9>never used this system before.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 9>And the sound system that I hear in my ear,

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<v Speaker 9>it makes such a difference. So thank you for fussing

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<v Speaker 9>over this and making sure that we would have this

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<v Speaker 9>kind of setup.

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<v Speaker 2>It is great.

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<v Speaker 9>And now I'm gonna run to my three o'clock appointment.