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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Latino USA, listener Oonsho de los Archibos. Also, there

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<v Speaker 1>will be some four letter words that are going to drop,

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<v Speaker 1>so be prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see Hottis from how we're standing. You can

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<v Speaker 2>see the buildings across the river. You can see the

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<v Speaker 2>fence right there that divides the two countries. So Wattis

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<v Speaker 2>is right in view.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the cusp of summer as the sun sets over

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<v Speaker 3>La Frontera. I joined doctor Yolanda Leva, a history professor

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<v Speaker 3>at the University of Texas at al Paso. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>also Da Vidromo, a historian who specializes on the US

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<v Speaker 3>Mexico borderlines.

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<v Speaker 4>Just from this street alone, I mean, you could just

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<v Speaker 4>go building by building and it tells you the most

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<v Speaker 4>important chapters of Mexican American history.

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<v Speaker 3>We are within walking distance of the Paso the North

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<v Speaker 3>the Bridge, one of the border bridges that connects al

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<v Speaker 3>Paso to see La Juarez. The Rio Grande River, the

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<v Speaker 3>natural division between the United States and Mexico, snakes below

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<v Speaker 3>the bridge. The three of us are standing in front

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<v Speaker 3>of a red brick apartment building in Segunovarrio, a historic

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<v Speaker 3>neighborhood in downtown al Paso. In the late eighteen, hundreds

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of Mexican immigrants passed through or lived in Segunovarrio.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also known as the Ellis Island of.

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<v Speaker 4>The border, not the other Alice Island. What you original,

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<v Speaker 4>alis Islo.

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<v Speaker 3>The colorful streets of this neighborhood are full with layers

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<v Speaker 3>of history. Once it was home to El Tostado or

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<v Speaker 3>Don Tosti.

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<v Speaker 4>He was the first Mexican American musician to sell more

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<v Speaker 4>than a million records, and he was a patrico.

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<v Speaker 3>A few blocks down lift Avelardo Delgado, a Chicano writer

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<v Speaker 3>and community organizer. But there's someone else who lived inside

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<v Speaker 3>the red brick apartment building were standing in front of,

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<v Speaker 3>whose leg and history has not always been widely celebrated.

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<v Speaker 3>In this exact apartment, once lived Teresa Uria, a Mexican revolutionary,

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<v Speaker 3>a kurandera or healer, and a feminist.

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<v Speaker 4>She was everything. She was a curandera, she was a

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<v Speaker 4>newspaper editor. I mean so many people were drawn to

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<v Speaker 4>her charisma that literally hundreds of people would set up

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<v Speaker 4>tents in front of our home there.

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<v Speaker 3>In eighteen ninety six, Teresa Aurea moved to Alpasso. People

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<v Speaker 3>loved her they worshiped her like a saint.

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<v Speaker 4>Teresita became a symbol of a forgotten history that was

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<v Speaker 4>utterly fascinating. I mean, she was like the Selina of

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<v Speaker 4>her time.

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<v Speaker 1>From Pudromidia and BrX. It's Latino Usa. I'm Mariano Hosa.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we bring back to life the forgotten story of

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa Uria, the Mexican Joan of arc Back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, the city of Lbaso approved a plan

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<v Speaker 1>to demolish se Bundo Barrio, the same neighborhood where Teresaurea

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<v Speaker 1>healed hundreds of people in the eighteen hundreds. Teresaurea was

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<v Speaker 1>a curandera who used herbs and traditional indigenous healing methods,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are also various accounts of Teresa having a

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<v Speaker 1>special power she could heal through her touch. In the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteenth century, Teresa was a star. Aside from people

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<v Speaker 1>believing she was a saint, her vision of love and

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<v Speaker 1>equality inspired rebellions in Mexico against the dictatorship of Portfedio DS,

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<v Speaker 1>But with time, her miraculous life got erased from history

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<v Speaker 1>books and museums. To understand the story of today Esa

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<v Speaker 1>Urrea is to understand what gets remembered and what gets forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Two historians, Davidromo and Jolanda Leva, were part of a

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<v Speaker 1>resistance movement to the city's demolition plan. They created Museo Urbano,

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<v Speaker 1>a space to celebrate the legacy of Segundovarrio. The museum

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<v Speaker 1>included an exhibition in the very same apartment where Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>once lived. Today Teresa Urrea, who at nineteen years old

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<v Speaker 1>was once called the most dangerous girl in Mexico by

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<v Speaker 1>the dictator Porfitio Es. Our producer Maries Kincan is going

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<v Speaker 1>to take it from here.

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<v Speaker 3>Teresaure was born in eighteen seventy three in the last

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<v Speaker 3>Green state of Sinaloa, Mexico. Her mother, Kayetana Chaves, was

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<v Speaker 3>an indigenous woman. She worked in the ranch of don

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<v Speaker 3>To mass Urrea, a tall, light skinned rich asenda with

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<v Speaker 3>Spanish lineage, notorious for his wondering eye. Kayetana was just

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen years old when she gave birth to Tennisita, the

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<v Speaker 3>daughter of Tomas Urrea.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we're looking at it from the perspective of

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<v Speaker 2>society back then, fourteen is a pretty common age to

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<v Speaker 2>get married and to start having children.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Yolanda again. Achicana historian at the University of

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<v Speaker 3>Texas at al Paso. She specializes in border history.

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<v Speaker 2>What is not different is that power relationship that he's

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<v Speaker 2>her employer, so we don't know like did she want

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<v Speaker 2>to have sex with him or.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it forced?

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<v Speaker 2>So if we look at that power dynamic, then I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's very questionable.

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<v Speaker 3>In an interview, Teresa said she was an illegitimate child.

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<v Speaker 3>She was one of nineteen children. Don tomas Uria had

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<v Speaker 3>out the side of his marriage. As a child, Dedesita

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<v Speaker 3>must have stood out as a Mystisa. She's described as

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<v Speaker 3>having light skin, large brown eyes, and long black hair.

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<v Speaker 3>In eighteen eighty, when Teresa was seven years old, Portfirio

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<v Speaker 3>Diaz's first term as president of Mexico was ending a

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<v Speaker 3>military general. He came into office by staging a coup

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<v Speaker 3>and reigned over Mexico for more than thirty years. The

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<v Speaker 3>general would shape the course of Teresa's life. Porfirio Diaesa's

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<v Speaker 3>time in office is known as the Portfiriato. He ruled

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<v Speaker 3>with an iron fist and secured his presidency by installing

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<v Speaker 3>his supporters and positions of power. His opponents were sometimes assassinated.

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<v Speaker 4>And He basically controlled the whole shebang, you know, all

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<v Speaker 4>of Mexico through corruption, through just having the just keeping

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<v Speaker 4>good relations with the oligarchy in every different state.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Da Vidromo again, the history professor who specializes

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<v Speaker 3>on the borderlands. He wrote about Teresa Oua and Ringside

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<v Speaker 3>Seat to a Revolution his book about al Paso and

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<v Speaker 3>Sula Huardes's connection to the Mexican Revolution. In Sinaloa, Teresa's father, Tomasura,

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<v Speaker 3>is forced to leave the state because he didn't support

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<v Speaker 3>the Diaz backed candidate for governor. Don Tomasura decided to

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<v Speaker 3>move to another family owned ranch further north in Kawora,

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<v Speaker 3>a city in the neighboring state of Sonora some two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred miles away. Kayetana and Teresa, who was seven years

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<v Speaker 3>old at the time, were among the hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 3>who joined tomas Urrea in his exile from Sinaloa. For

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<v Speaker 3>all of her childhood and into her teenage years, Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>grew up with her mother in separate quarters from the ranch.

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<v Speaker 3>She grew up in poverty, surrounded by indigenous people. Like

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<v Speaker 3>her mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Recito is growing up in this time of great changes

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico, great economic changes and the rich are getting

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<v Speaker 2>richer and the poor are getting poorer, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>little middle class, but it doesn't have much power.

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<v Speaker 3>Teresita didn't go to school until she was nine years old,

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<v Speaker 3>but she didn't want to study. The more and more

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<v Speaker 3>I read about Teresa, the more obsessed I became. There

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<v Speaker 3>was something marvelous or otherworldly about her. The details that

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<v Speaker 3>seeped in through newspapers, interviews and archives were fascinating. Take

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<v Speaker 3>this quote, for example, taken from an interview in the

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco Examiner in nineteen hundred, where she described how

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<v Speaker 3>she learned to read.

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<v Speaker 5>Later, I felt I wanted to learn how to read,

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<v Speaker 5>and I learned my alphabet from a very very old lady.

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<v Speaker 5>My writing came to me of itself. I wanted to write,

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<v Speaker 5>and I wrote. But how I learned I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>for I was not taught on the floor of my

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<v Speaker 5>mother's house. I first wrote with my little finger in

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<v Speaker 5>the dusk.

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<v Speaker 3>The quotuo hear of Teresa are taken from English newspaper articles.

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa didn't speak English, so they are translations, and they

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<v Speaker 3>are voiced by one of our producers, Victoria Estra. When

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa was fifteen years old, her mother, Kajitana, disappeared. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not clear why. Like many details in Teresa's life, there

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<v Speaker 3>are things we just don't know that have been lost

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<v Speaker 3>in the historical record. After her mother disappeared, Don Tomas

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<v Speaker 3>Urrea ordered Teresa to move into the ranch with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa's life completely changed. The dirt floors she grew up

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<v Speaker 3>with were replaced by the white adobe walls of her

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<v Speaker 3>father's large ascienda. Don to mass Urias's mistress, a teenager

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<v Speaker 3>nearly the same age as Teresita, lived in the ascienda too.

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<v Speaker 3>At her father's ranch, Teresa became an apprentice Touila, a

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<v Speaker 3>Yaqui Kurandera who worked for her father. The Yaquis are

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<v Speaker 3>an indigenous group in Sonora. Through Wila, Teresa learned how

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<v Speaker 3>to heal by using plants, part of an indigenous traditional

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<v Speaker 3>medicine practice known as kurandrismo that predates the sixteenth century.

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<v Speaker 3>Gurandismo refers to a system of healing practice in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 3>Latin America, and in places with large Mexican communities like

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<v Speaker 3>the US Mexico borderlands. Prior to the Spanish colonization of Mexico,

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<v Speaker 3>there were indigenous healers across the region. If you look

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<v Speaker 3>at traditional medicine among indigenous people before the Europeans came,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody was very specialized. Some people knew about plants, some

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<v Speaker 3>people knew how to work with bones, some people knew

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<v Speaker 3>how to do massages, just like we would think of

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<v Speaker 3>a medical specialization today. It's believed gorndros have a special

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<v Speaker 3>don or gift that allows them to cure others, and

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<v Speaker 3>unlike Western medicine, gourdan deisma is not limited to the

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<v Speaker 3>physical body. It concerns itself with the psychological, spiritual, social,

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<v Speaker 3>and health needs of a person. That mind and body

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<v Speaker 3>are connected. With Spanish colonization in the sixteenth century, indigenous

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<v Speaker 3>healing methods merge with European practices. The word gourandeto comes

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<v Speaker 3>from the Spanish word kurat, which means to heal.

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<v Speaker 2>So then when the Spanish come and begin to control society,

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<v Speaker 2>they too want to undermine the idea that indigenous people

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<v Speaker 2>have knowledge or can contribute. So they don't want people

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<v Speaker 2>to think, oh, look at this highly specialized meth medical system.

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<v Speaker 3>Gurandar rismo was looked down upon by Spanish physicians and

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<v Speaker 3>was even considered criminal. During the Mexican inquisition, Gurandrismo was

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<v Speaker 3>a prosecutable crime. Characteristics of kuranda Rismo include ritual Catholic prayer,

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<v Speaker 3>the use of plants and herbs, and the belief in

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<v Speaker 3>God or Creator. To become a Kurandea takes years of training.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not something anyone can just pick up. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>commitment that is taken very seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just like I wouldn't take a biology class

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<v Speaker 2>and say I'm a doctor now. People shouldn't call themselves

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<v Speaker 2>at curandeta if they have not really thoroughly trained and

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<v Speaker 2>they have a teacher who has trained them.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in al Paso. I'm in the house of Greece Munos.

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<v Speaker 6>My name is Gris Munos.

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<v Speaker 3>A self described moher medicina or a curandera. She burns carvone, mesquite, goppal, lavender,

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<v Speaker 3>and saba. The smoke fills a room and hovers around us,

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<v Speaker 3>swirling in esses grease. Feels connected to Teresa. She has

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<v Speaker 3>a picture of her and her altar.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm very connected to Teresita. She's been watching me a

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<v Speaker 6>long time, and Teresita is still around. She hasn't gone anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Greece is also close friends with one of Teresa's living relatives,

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<v Speaker 3>the Chicano writer Luis Albertore. Like Teresa, Greece was the

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<v Speaker 3>apprentice of Akurandetra for years. Grease works with the spirit.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not a midwife, I'm not a I'm not a wescera.

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<v Speaker 6>Women tend to find me when they've gotten themselves a

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<v Speaker 6>bit lost. Maybe they just went through a major change,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe they need to accept something, a death of some type.

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<v Speaker 6>That's really where I come in. I can't speak for

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<v Speaker 6>all curanderos, but essentially, especially the ones that work with

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<v Speaker 6>the spirit like I do. We're just here to help

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<v Speaker 6>you reconnect.

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<v Speaker 3>In the borderlands, grandismo is still very prevalent. The borderlands

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<v Speaker 3>used to be part of Mexico until the mid nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five years before Edessa was born, but during the

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<v Speaker 3>Mexican American War of the late eighteen forties, Mexico lost Arizona, California,

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<v Speaker 3>Under her apprenticeship with Wila, Esa learned the names and

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<v Speaker 3>properties of more than two hundred herbs. She followed Wila

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<v Speaker 3>Thedessa when she was sixteen years old. There's varying accounts

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<v Speaker 3>shock induced seizure. In either case, after losing consciousness, Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>fell into a coma. They think she's dead. That Isa's

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<v Speaker 3>coffin to be built. They prepared that Isa for a wake,

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<v Speaker 3>dressed her in a white dress. They placed her body

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<v Speaker 6>So they make her a casket and in Elvelorio, she

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<v Speaker 3>And everyone is like holy shit. After waking up, that

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<v Speaker 3>Esa predicted that in three days they were going to

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<v Speaker 6>And then Wila died.

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<v Speaker 3>Three days later, Teresa's teacher was found in her room.

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<v Speaker 3>It looked like she passed away peacefully. The cause of

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<v Speaker 6>Or exhaustion, and they buried Wila in the casket they

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up on Latino, Usa, Teresa Rea wakes up from

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<v Speaker 1>her coma with a newfound power. She can miraculously heal

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<v Speaker 1>people through touch. Stay with us, Hey, we're back. When

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<v Speaker 1>we left off, Teresa Rea had woken up from a

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<v Speaker 1>coma and had predicted the death of her mentor, Wheela

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<v Speaker 1>A Jaqui Granderra now Deesa, realizes she has a new

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<v Speaker 1>miraculous power. Producer Marieskinkam is going to pick up the

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<v Speaker 3>After waking up from her coma, Teresa was a normal

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<v Speaker 3>She fell into a trans that lasted three months and

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen days. In an article from the San Francisco Examiner,

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa Urrea said she didn't remember anything that happened during

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<v Speaker 5>They tell me those who saw me, that I could

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<v Speaker 5>move about, that they had to feed me, that I

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<v Speaker 5>talked strange things about God and religion.

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<v Speaker 3>During this trance, Teresa said she had a vision. The

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<v Speaker 3>archangel Gabriel appeared to her as a young man. He

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<v Speaker 3>delivered her a letter. It urged everyone to repent from

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<v Speaker 3>their sins, believe in Jesus and they would be cured

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<v Speaker 3>when she finally returned to full consciousness. Teresa had a gift.

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<v Speaker 3>She could heal people through touch. One of the people

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<v Speaker 3>she cured in Kavora was Marianna, a woman in her

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<v Speaker 3>twenties that couldn't walk. After Teresa cured her, Marianna was

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<v Speaker 3>able to walk again, and she became her devout, loyal

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<v Speaker 3>when she healed people.

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<v Speaker 5>I could still if I touched people or rub them

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<v Speaker 5>make them well. I felt in me only the wish

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<v Speaker 5>to do good in the world. I spoke much to

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<v Speaker 5>the people about God, not about the church or to

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<v Speaker 5>tell them to go to church, but about God. I

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<v Speaker 5>told them what I believe. That God is the spirit

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<v Speaker 5>of love, that we who we are in the world,

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<v Speaker 5>must love one another and live in peace, otherwise we

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<v Speaker 3>Word quickly spread about the miraculous healer. Hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 3>started visiting her father's ranch and Gaworah. They traveled long

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<v Speaker 3>distances and were often poor and indigenous people of the region,

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<v Speaker 3>the Yaqui and Mayo Indians that Esa refused to charge

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<v Speaker 3>for her services.

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<v Speaker 5>I have no wish to be paid. I do not

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<v Speaker 5>care for find things or find houses or money. I

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<v Speaker 5>will refuse no one to help.

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<v Speaker 3>Aside from her healing powers, there were other supernatural phenomena

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<v Speaker 4>Her family members believed that she was able to predict

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<v Speaker 4>even when people were about to arrive that she had

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<v Speaker 4>no knowledge of. She would say this, such and such

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<v Speaker 4>a person is going to come tomorrow, and they would

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<v Speaker 4>She could predict rain, She could predict deaths in the family.

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<v Speaker 3>She had other strange qualities, and people.

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<v Speaker 4>Would say that she admitted an aroma of roses like

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<v Speaker 4>so many people would say that, like she just smelt

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<v Speaker 3>There are also accounts of her quote unquote astro projecting, like.

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<v Speaker 2>She could travel out of her body and she could

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<v Speaker 2>describe places she had never been. And it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>she had the internet right where we could fake it.

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<v Speaker 3>People began to call her a saint and worshiped her

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<v Speaker 3>like one. They called her Santa Theresa, la Santa de

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<v Speaker 3>Santa de Risita. She was only sixteen years old. They

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<v Speaker 3>created prayer cards with her image, and one prayer card

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<v Speaker 3>she stoically stands. She's dressed in a black dress that

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<v Speaker 3>covers her arms. A long black cross hangs from her neck.

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<v Speaker 3>Her black hair is wrapped in a braided bun. Angels

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<v Speaker 3>surround her. Two turubs hold a crown they are placing

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<v Speaker 3>over her head. Her gaze is looking at the distance.

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<v Speaker 3>They build wooden statues of her to venerate her like

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<v Speaker 3>a saint. Teresa said she was not a saint, that

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<v Speaker 3>you don't need the mediation of the church or priest

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<v Speaker 3>to cure, an idea that she repeated more than once.

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<v Speaker 3>In doing so, she challenged the authority of the Catholic Church,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most powerful institutions in Mexico even today.

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<v Speaker 5>I felt that God willed that I should heal them,

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<v Speaker 5>and when they asked me, I did so. No, I

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<v Speaker 5>do not think prayer is necessary, nor does one have

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<v Speaker 5>to believe in me to be cured. If I can cure,

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<v Speaker 5>I can.

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<v Speaker 3>Priests announced her as a heretic and impostor and evil worker.

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<v Speaker 3>The clergy threatened to excommunicate everyone that seeked her help.

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<v Speaker 6>They saw her like a living saint. So you can

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<v Speaker 6>imagine what heresy to call a teenage girl Asantha right,

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<v Speaker 6>a living teen girl Asanta, so she became a problem.

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<v Speaker 6>In those times, the only people that could talk to

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<v Speaker 6>God were priests.

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<v Speaker 3>From a young age. That is, I was breaking all

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<v Speaker 3>sorts of traditional norms and rules.

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<v Speaker 6>She was completely considered heretical and completely forward for her

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<v Speaker 3>At the same time, the power of dictator Porfirio Dias

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<v Speaker 3>only kept growing. Under the Portfiriato, thousands of Yakis were

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<v Speaker 4>So Porfirio Dias in Sonora carried out this very destructive

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<v Speaker 4>Yakis to southern Mexico to virtual death camps and slave camps.

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa was often visited by the Yaquis in Kawora, and

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<v Speaker 3>she was sympathetic to their uprisings. She often defended them

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<v Speaker 3>and said they had the God given right to fight

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<v Speaker 3>for their land and freedom. In later interviews with The

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<v Speaker 3>New York Journal, she described watching Yaki children not even

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<v Speaker 3>three years old, being lynched. She called the Yaquis the

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<v Speaker 3>bravest and most persecuted people in the world. This at

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<v Speaker 3>a time when opposing the Diaz regime was deadly, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Told the Yakis to fight for their lands, and of

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<v Speaker 4>course this brought the enmity of Corfiolias.

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<v Speaker 3>While Teresa never took arms, she inspired rebellions. This was

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<v Speaker 3>the case in one small town called Tomochik, located in

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<v Speaker 3>the Sierra Madre of Chihuahua, about two hundred miles away

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<v Speaker 3>from al Paso. After hearing about Teresa's power, Kruz Travis,

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<v Speaker 3>the leader of Tomochic, and other villagers traveled to Kabora

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<v Speaker 3>to meet with Teresa. They witnessed hundreds of people camped

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<v Speaker 3>out at her father's ranch. They had heard of Teresa's

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<v Speaker 3>healing powers and visited her to be cured. They were

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<v Speaker 3>moved by her vision of love. Kruz Travis, the Tomoshik leader,

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<v Speaker 3>and Teresa became friends and started exchanging letters. When the

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<v Speaker 3>villagers returned to Tomochik, they decided to only worship living saints.

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<v Speaker 3>They replaced the statue of a dead saint with a

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<v Speaker 3>statue of a living Teresa. They chose La Sante Kaoaterresita

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<v Speaker 3>as the official guardian of the town. This brought the

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<v Speaker 3>great ire of a local priest who threatened to excommunicate

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<v Speaker 3>every Tomochko who believed in Teresa. When they refused to obey,

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<v Speaker 3>the priests sent out a message to the government. Porfido

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<v Speaker 3>Dias ordered the rebels to be quickly and severely punished.

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<v Speaker 4>And for Fioria sends hundreds of troops to utterly destroy

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<v Speaker 3>The rebels fling themselves into a fight they were destined

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<v Speaker 3>to lose, shouting Viva la Santa Kaoura. According to Romo,

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<v Speaker 3>they killed six hundred federal troops, but the Mexican government

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<v Speaker 3>led a ruthless fight. They set fire to the village,

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<v Speaker 3>killed women and children. They stacked the bodies of the

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<v Speaker 3>dead with their leader, Cruise Travis on top. Not one

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<v Speaker 3>boy or man over the age of thirteen survived, according

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<v Speaker 4>I was just kind of a vicious, vicious attack on

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<v Speaker 4>anyone that would challenge the power of the dictator of

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<v Speaker 3>The Mexican government claimed that Issita incited the rebellion. She

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<v Speaker 3>always denied any involvement in any uprisings, but she also

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<v Speaker 3>defended them. She believed revolution was necessary when people were oppressed.

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<v Speaker 3>When she was nineteen years old, Portfido dies exiled Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>from Mexico. I can't help thinking of Teresa's power, of

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that men threw themselves into a revolution while

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<v Speaker 3>screaming her name.

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<v Speaker 2>Porfiodias had said she was the most dangerous girl in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was a teenager. So what would make a

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<v Speaker 3>You know that to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Shows you the power of her love and the power

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<v Speaker 2>of her vision, which was that everyone should be equal,

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<v Speaker 2>men and women, mestisos, blancos, indigenous people, everybody's human.

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<v Speaker 3>After being exiled from Mexico in eighteen ninety two, Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>lived in Nogles, Arizona. By then that as I was

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<v Speaker 3>already a star. The world press had been covering her

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<v Speaker 3>miraculous cures for two years. At that point, she.

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<v Speaker 4>Was in the newspapers all the time, the local newspapers,

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<v Speaker 4>newspapers in Mexico City, and there were articles like from

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<v Speaker 4>all over the United States about her, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>New York Times, and I know that there were people

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<v Speaker 4>from France writing letters to her. So this is like

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<v Speaker 4>mega superstar in the world of the eighteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>Reading the articles it seems there's almost an obsession with her.

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<v Speaker 3>They often start by focusing on her looks. They call

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<v Speaker 3>her beautiful. In one article, she's described as Mexican in hue,

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<v Speaker 3>with large, handsome eyes, hypnotic. Some people call them raven haired, tall,

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<v Speaker 3>and slender. Another article is headlined she is not pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes on to say that she is not ugly,

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<v Speaker 3>but she has quote a squatty figure and a round

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<v Speaker 3>fat face, just as hundreds of ordinary Mexican women have.

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<v Speaker 3>They speculate and scrutinize her cures. One article mentions American

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<v Speaker 3>physicians don't take her seriously because she doesn't practice germ

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<v Speaker 3>theory and touches the hands of the people she helps.

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<v Speaker 3>Many describe Americans looking at her with amusement. Some newspapers

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<v Speaker 3>label her a miraculous healer and others a crazy saint.

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<v Speaker 3>They call her the living patron saint of the Indians.

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<v Speaker 3>There are very few articles that actually include interviews with her.

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<v Speaker 3>Either way, it seems they couldn't stop talking about her.

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<v Speaker 3>After living in Arizona, she moved to Albaso in eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety six. Hundreds of people gathered at the Union Depot

419
00:29:28.040 --> 00:29:33.120
<v Speaker 3>train station awaiting her arrival, people would spend hours trying

420
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:37.000
<v Speaker 3>to catch just a glimpse of Teresa. An a'l Passotimes

421
00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 3>article from that time reports, I imagine it, the hordes

422
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:46.240
<v Speaker 3>of people pushing up against each other, tiptoeing over each

423
00:29:46.280 --> 00:29:50.600
<v Speaker 3>other's shoulders, the buzz and excitement in the air, the

424
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 3>way they must have screened her name when the train arrived,

425
00:29:54.360 --> 00:29:58.040
<v Speaker 3>how they must have roared. No less than three thousand

426
00:29:58.040 --> 00:30:00.800
<v Speaker 3>people visited her house on the day she arrived.

427
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 7>The article noted, she would stand there yegawan, you know,

428
00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 7>hundreds of people, the line would be completely down, sewndoo,

429
00:30:10.840 --> 00:30:12.680
<v Speaker 7>and she would heal them with her hands.

430
00:30:14.080 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 3>That is, I would act. Calculated that she cured up

431
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:21.000
<v Speaker 3>to two hundred people a day in Alpasso, from six

432
00:30:21.080 --> 00:30:24.040
<v Speaker 3>in the morning to nine at night. That Issa curd

433
00:30:24.080 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 3>for the ill. Various accounts exist of her healing work

434
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:33.840
<v Speaker 3>and her miracles. She cured people suffering from smallpox, leprosy.

435
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.920
<v Speaker 3>She touched people who were paralyzed and they could suddenly

436
00:30:38.080 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 3>walk again. The Alpasso Times reporter also described that as

437
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:44.200
<v Speaker 3>a looking pale and.

438
00:30:44.120 --> 00:30:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Weak, she wasn't taking care of herself, because how can

439
00:30:47.600 --> 00:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>you see hundreds of people per day, and then she

440
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>must have been under a lot of pressure because there

441
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>were thousands of people waiting to see her.

442
00:30:55.560 --> 00:30:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Throughout her life, her connections to the Mexican Revolution continue,

443
00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:03.680
<v Speaker 3>earning her the title the Mexican Joan of arc and Alpasso.

444
00:31:03.800 --> 00:31:08.800
<v Speaker 3>Teresa co edited Ellin de Bendente, an antids newspaper. Some

445
00:31:08.840 --> 00:31:10.520
<v Speaker 3>of the articles have her signature.

446
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.240
<v Speaker 4>During this period, they were about forty Spanish language newspapers

447
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.040
<v Speaker 4>in al Paso, and the large majority of them were

448
00:31:19.080 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 4>anti ideas. They were anti the dictatorship of Mexico, and

449
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 4>Soa was part of that movement, you know, like she

450
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.200
<v Speaker 4>she was spreading the seat, spreading the ideas.

451
00:31:31.080 --> 00:31:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Throughout her life, Teresa was vocal about the Mexican government's

452
00:31:34.600 --> 00:31:36.560
<v Speaker 3>exploitation of indigenous people.

453
00:31:37.120 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 5>I pity the Indians of Sonona. I wish they were

454
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 5>cared for and protected. I fear they will be exterminated.

455
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.600
<v Speaker 5>I would do anything for them.

456
00:31:47.120 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 3>The year that Isa arrived in Alpaso, she co authored

457
00:31:50.840 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 3>De Tomochic, a manifesto accusing the Mexican government of murdering

458
00:31:55.520 --> 00:31:58.840
<v Speaker 3>Yaqi children. It also called for the abolishment of the

459
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.760
<v Speaker 3>death penalty and the emancipation of women.

460
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.760
<v Speaker 4>And half of the people that signed this manifesto were women,

461
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 4>so that's like incredibly advanced.

462
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.760
<v Speaker 3>During the same year, another antiths rebellion breaks out, this

463
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.520
<v Speaker 3>time at a Mexican customs house located in Nogales, Sonora.

464
00:32:18.120 --> 00:32:21.320
<v Speaker 4>This is in August twelve, eighteen ninety six, and there's

465
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 4>forty rebels that attacked the Mexican custom selve and Noal Sonora,

466
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.320
<v Speaker 4>shouting Viva la Santa Caa.

467
00:32:29.360 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 3>The rebels killed two Mexican soldiers and temporarily took control

468
00:32:33.520 --> 00:32:36.880
<v Speaker 3>of the customs house for several hours. Some of the

469
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:41.360
<v Speaker 3>men carried letters signed by Teresa, pictures of her, copies

470
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:45.320
<v Speaker 3>of the newspaper she co edited, US and Mexican soldiers

471
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.160
<v Speaker 3>joined forces and killed seven of the rebels. A picture

472
00:32:49.320 --> 00:32:53.040
<v Speaker 3>of their dead bodies was published in the press. The

473
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:58.080
<v Speaker 3>caption described them as los indios fanaticos de la Santa Decaa,

474
00:32:58.360 --> 00:33:03.520
<v Speaker 3>the extremist Indian file followers of Lasantha de Caaba. The

475
00:33:03.600 --> 00:33:08.040
<v Speaker 3>American press became highly critical of her. They accused her

476
00:33:08.120 --> 00:33:12.040
<v Speaker 3>of leading several rebellions, including the one in Nogales.

477
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:22.160
<v Speaker 4>So after this happens, the media begins questioning just how

478
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:23.080
<v Speaker 4>dangerous she.

479
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Was headline after headline accused her of leading rebellions, of

480
00:33:27.560 --> 00:33:31.960
<v Speaker 3>hypnotizing the peaceful Yaki Indians, of causing trouble and Mexico

481
00:33:32.040 --> 00:33:33.800
<v Speaker 3>with her spiritualist propaganda.

482
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>That whole idea of calling her a witch is a

483
00:33:37.040 --> 00:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>way to discredit her, to undermine her knowledge and her influence.

484
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.360
<v Speaker 2>And then by saying that she's the reason that Indigenous

485
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:52.000
<v Speaker 2>people are rebelling, that's a way also to say they're

486
00:33:52.040 --> 00:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>too ignorant to organize on their own.

487
00:33:59.120 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 3>Her vision of justice and equality was so strong that

488
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:05.520
<v Speaker 3>even if she didn't tell people to take arms, she

489
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:10.959
<v Speaker 3>became their war cry. She turned into a symbol of resistance. Traditionally,

490
00:34:11.120 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 3>it's taught that the Mexican Revolution began on November twentieth,

491
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:19.279
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ten, after Teresa died, but David argues that the

492
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 3>revolution began sooner.

493
00:34:21.680 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 4>That's the encyclopedia version. This revolutionary activity happened way before

494
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:30.479
<v Speaker 4>nineteen ten. So it's naive to think that on one day,

495
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:36.400
<v Speaker 4>one guy calls her people to revolt and everybody rises up. No,

496
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:41.000
<v Speaker 4>you plan sets sometimes for decades, and there's a lot of

497
00:34:41.040 --> 00:34:42.200
<v Speaker 4>failed battles.

498
00:34:43.160 --> 00:34:45.759
<v Speaker 3>He places that is Sahura as a key figure in

499
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.600
<v Speaker 3>the Mexican Revolution that deserves more recognition, but whose role

500
00:34:49.640 --> 00:34:51.279
<v Speaker 3>has been ignored by historians.

501
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.560
<v Speaker 4>Her role in the revolution was not to shoot people,

502
00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:01.120
<v Speaker 4>It was to inspire people. It is Fronteisa based healing

503
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:05.120
<v Speaker 4>powers that could ultimately change the world, that they could

504
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.319
<v Speaker 4>lead to a revolution, to a more just fission of

505
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:11.840
<v Speaker 4>who we are as a community, and that was incredibly

506
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:12.960
<v Speaker 4>ahead of her time.

507
00:35:14.080 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 3>For Yolanda, the history professor. That is as radical politics

508
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.520
<v Speaker 3>set her apart from other couranderos.

509
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I think the more important thing that sets her apart

510
00:35:24.160 --> 00:35:29.839
<v Speaker 2>is that she combined traditional knowledge with I guess what

511
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>we would call now social justice. I don't see that

512
00:35:34.040 --> 00:35:37.880
<v Speaker 2>in the other healers of that time. That's what sets

513
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.160
<v Speaker 2>her apart, is that combination of tradition but also a

514
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:44.920
<v Speaker 2>vision for a better future.

515
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 3>While she lived in Alpaso, they tried to kill Ddesa

516
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.640
<v Speaker 3>three times, causing her to leave just a year later.

517
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:06.200
<v Speaker 3>She faced assassination attempts throughout her life. Here's grice again.

518
00:36:06.600 --> 00:36:10.759
<v Speaker 6>And it's incredible to think that a young woman could

519
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 6>be such a threat to like a government, a whole

520
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:16.680
<v Speaker 6>system of patriarchy.

521
00:36:17.560 --> 00:36:22.600
<v Speaker 3>After leaving Alpaso, Teresa moved to Clifton, Arizona. There isn't

522
00:36:22.640 --> 00:36:25.120
<v Speaker 3>a lot of reporting on this period of her life

523
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.680
<v Speaker 3>until nineteen hundred. In Clifton, she met a man called

524
00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:35.360
<v Speaker 3>Guadalupe Rodriguez. Guadalupe remains a mysterious man. It's hard to

525
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.880
<v Speaker 3>find any archival information about him. In an interview with

526
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:44.840
<v Speaker 3>one of Teresa's relatives, he's described as handsome. Teresa married

527
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Guadalupe eight months after meeting him, against her father's wishes.

528
00:36:49.640 --> 00:36:53.319
<v Speaker 3>At the time, Teresa was twenty seven years old. The

529
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:57.359
<v Speaker 3>day after they got married, Guadalupe tried to kill her.

530
00:36:59.080 --> 00:37:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Teresa recount at what happened in an article from the

531
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 3>San Francisco Examiner.

532
00:37:04.600 --> 00:37:07.120
<v Speaker 5>The next day after we were married, he acted strangely.

533
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.799
<v Speaker 5>He tore up some things of mine, pecked some of

534
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.320
<v Speaker 5>my clothes in a bundle, put it over his shoulder,

535
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.200
<v Speaker 5>and said to me, come with me. The people who

536
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.120
<v Speaker 5>saw him said for me not to go, but I

537
00:37:17.200 --> 00:37:20.640
<v Speaker 5>followed him. He walked on the railroad track. I did

538
00:37:20.640 --> 00:37:23.160
<v Speaker 5>not know where he wanted to run. I ran to

539
00:37:24.120 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 5>He had his gun and started to shoot. The people

540
00:37:27.560 --> 00:37:31.160
<v Speaker 5>ran out and made me come back. Then they caught him.

541
00:37:31.520 --> 00:37:33.360
<v Speaker 5>He was insane, and they put him in jail.

542
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 3>A headline from the time read Santa Teresa shot by spouse.

543
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Yaqui saint finds marriage a failure. Other articles reported that

544
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:48.600
<v Speaker 3>she lost popularity amongst her followers because saints are not

545
00:37:48.640 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 3>supposed to get married. She later divorced him that I

546
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Saw then left her family in Clifton and traveled to

547
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.360
<v Speaker 3>San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, and Saint Louis. She

548
00:38:06.520 --> 00:38:09.240
<v Speaker 3>was planning on embarking on a world tour and wanted

549
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:12.040
<v Speaker 3>to travel to Europe and India in order to learn

550
00:38:12.080 --> 00:38:17.200
<v Speaker 3>about the source of her healing powers. She said her

551
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.200
<v Speaker 3>power came from God, but she wanted to learn how

552
00:38:20.200 --> 00:38:21.720
<v Speaker 3>it moved through her body.

553
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.040
<v Speaker 5>I seek to find out whence the power is derived.

554
00:38:27.120 --> 00:38:30.640
<v Speaker 3>She wanted to travel to cities like Paris and Jerusalem,

555
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.759
<v Speaker 3>where may I find someone wise in such matters who

556
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:38.680
<v Speaker 3>can and will tell me the secret? But she didn't

557
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:42.239
<v Speaker 3>make it to those cities. In nineteen o two, her

558
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.759
<v Speaker 3>father died. That same year, she gave birth to her

559
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:48.719
<v Speaker 3>first child. That as I had lived in New York

560
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:51.160
<v Speaker 3>for a year with her translator and a family friend,

561
00:38:51.640 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 3>John Van Order. She had two daughters with him at

562
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.480
<v Speaker 3>the time. This would have been very controversial since they

563
00:38:58.480 --> 00:38:59.360
<v Speaker 3>were not married.

564
00:39:00.160 --> 00:39:03.080
<v Speaker 4>She was definitely a woman ahead of her times and

565
00:39:03.120 --> 00:39:07.360
<v Speaker 4>a woman that was that straddled many different borders. She

566
00:39:07.520 --> 00:39:10.640
<v Speaker 4>was a liminal being, somebody that's neither here nor there,

567
00:39:11.120 --> 00:39:13.799
<v Speaker 4>and I think that's what made her so fascinating. So

568
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.600
<v Speaker 4>this was a woman that was defying all kinds of

569
00:39:17.640 --> 00:39:19.359
<v Speaker 4>traditional boundaries.

570
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.400
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen oh four, Teresa moved back to Arizona with

571
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:26.120
<v Speaker 3>her partner John. She bought some land and had a

572
00:39:26.160 --> 00:39:31.040
<v Speaker 3>house built. On October fifteenth, nineteen oh five, Teresa Ure

573
00:39:31.160 --> 00:39:34.080
<v Speaker 3>hosted a party in her newly built home in Clifton

574
00:39:34.560 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 3>to celebrate her thirty second birthday. I imagine this moment

575
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.640
<v Speaker 3>the era of us, with celebration and joy. They just

576
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 3>blew out the candles, everyone's eating cake. Esa liked to

577
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 3>play the guitar and the marimba. She loved to sing.

578
00:39:50.640 --> 00:39:55.439
<v Speaker 3>The room freshly minted by her voice. Maybe she had

579
00:39:55.520 --> 00:40:00.240
<v Speaker 3>just opened gifts. But then Esa predicted she would die

580
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:03.560
<v Speaker 3>before her next birthday, when she would turn thirty three.

581
00:40:05.600 --> 00:40:08.200
<v Speaker 3>Then she went around the room and said goodbye to

582
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:17.560
<v Speaker 3>every guest. Months later, on January eleventh, nineteen oh six,

583
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:20.319
<v Speaker 3>that is, I was at home with Marianna, her old

584
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.440
<v Speaker 3>time friend and aid and one of the first people

585
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.839
<v Speaker 3>that she had healed. She told Marianna, put me.

586
00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.960
<v Speaker 5>In this room and put these clothes on me.

587
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.040
<v Speaker 3>The room she was referring to was on the second

588
00:40:32.080 --> 00:40:34.839
<v Speaker 3>floor of her house. It was called the flower room

589
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.640
<v Speaker 3>because it was full of flowers, ferns, and plants. It

590
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 3>was built to allow the maximum amount of sunlight. Teressa

591
00:40:43.040 --> 00:40:48.839
<v Speaker 3>loved flowers. She grew geraniums, pegonias, a bright red hibiscus.

592
00:40:49.560 --> 00:40:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Her hair was five feet long, thatis, I would kick

593
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.839
<v Speaker 3>it out of her way when it was loose. It

594
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:01.280
<v Speaker 3>was longer than her body. When they offered her tea, Teresa.

595
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.440
<v Speaker 5>Said, and do not want tea. I feel so badly.

596
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.160
<v Speaker 5>I think this is my last day of life.

597
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:12.399
<v Speaker 3>Teresa asked for a pan and a towel. She washed

598
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.520
<v Speaker 3>her hands, wiped them down, tied them with a blue ribbon,

599
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.759
<v Speaker 3>handed the towel back and said take this. I will

600
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 3>never use it again. She then went to rest in

601
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:32.600
<v Speaker 3>her bedroom. Quite late afternoon, Teresa died. Marianna dressed her

602
00:41:32.600 --> 00:41:37.080
<v Speaker 3>in a white robe and a blue shawl. When they

603
00:41:37.120 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 3>put Teresa in the coffin, they wrapped her long hair

604
00:41:41.160 --> 00:41:45.000
<v Speaker 3>around her arm. She gave instructions to lay her in

605
00:41:45.080 --> 00:41:49.480
<v Speaker 3>the flower room for her funeral. I can imagine Teresa

606
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:54.480
<v Speaker 3>suspended in flowers. The cause of her death isn't clear.

607
00:41:55.080 --> 00:41:59.240
<v Speaker 3>She might have had tuberculosis or pneumonia. The official record

608
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 3>stated k consumption.

609
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:07.479
<v Speaker 6>That's another aspect of curandismo. Is that life force that

610
00:42:07.560 --> 00:42:11.400
<v Speaker 6>you have, that you're sharing it with people, and they're

611
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.080
<v Speaker 6>taking little pieces of it, little pieces of it, little

612
00:42:14.080 --> 00:42:17.080
<v Speaker 6>pieces of it. Eventually, you know, a lot of curandetto's

613
00:42:17.120 --> 00:42:22.640
<v Speaker 6>get really sick and they die, you know. And so

614
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:26.799
<v Speaker 6>it's that deep of a commitment when I tell you

615
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:28.280
<v Speaker 6>it's till the death.

616
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.279
<v Speaker 3>I can't talk about that Isa without admitting the sadness

617
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 3>I feel when I think of her life and death.

618
00:42:37.520 --> 00:42:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Her story feels incomplete, like a picture of her that's

619
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 3>been punctured with tiny holes. I feel the limitations of

620
00:42:46.040 --> 00:42:50.040
<v Speaker 3>the archive, of the gaps in her life, the things

621
00:42:50.080 --> 00:42:53.840
<v Speaker 3>about her that I can only imagine or speculate, the

622
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.160
<v Speaker 3>sound of her voice, her favorite book, her favorite smelly.

623
00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:01.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's one of the frustrating things to me as

624
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>a historian, is it, especially with women, There's just things

625
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:06.920
<v Speaker 2>we'll never know.

626
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 3>I think about the way the press wrote about her

627
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:17.880
<v Speaker 3>banished Senorita, the woes of Teresa Urrea, a witch to

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<v Speaker 3>be shot. I think of all the violences she must

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<v Speaker 3>have experienced that we will never know about, and of

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<v Speaker 3>her strength.

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<v Speaker 6>She's a woman, She wasn't a saint.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a teen girl.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine the details of her life that an archive

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<v Speaker 3>imbued with sexism and racism will never be able to

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<v Speaker 3>tell us about her. Did she stare into a lover's eyes?

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<v Speaker 3>Did she dance by herself in front of a mirror.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe she scribbled her secrets into a journal she secretly

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<v Speaker 3>stashed away somewhere only for herself.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know why I always think like I always

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<v Speaker 6>think about how lonely she must have been, and even

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<v Speaker 6>growing older and not really knowing who you can trust,

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<v Speaker 6>and really being seen as like a commodity.

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<v Speaker 3>Her whole life is marked by the things she did

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<v Speaker 3>for others. What does her life tell us about what

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<v Speaker 3>society deems worthy of remembering About the life of a

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<v Speaker 3>revolutionary woman. I imagine her existing without the weight of

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<v Speaker 3>having to be godly, saintly, of her having an ordinary life,

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<v Speaker 3>drinking a cup of coffee, reading a poem singing into

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<v Speaker 3>the stem of a sunflower, I remember her limitlessness and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe this is enough. Back at Teresa's former red brick

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<v Speaker 3>wall apartment in Alpasso, the entrance of the building is

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<v Speaker 3>fenced in with black gates. Through its holes you can

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<v Speaker 3>see a giant plaque. Historian Da Vitromo reads it.

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<v Speaker 4>This was the site of the residence of Teresa Orva,

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<v Speaker 4>an influential legendary healer who helped inspire early revolutionary movements.

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<v Speaker 3>There were once murals that covered the courtyard adjacent to

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<v Speaker 3>the apartment complex that hosted Musse Urbano. The murals were

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<v Speaker 3>painted by students and people from the neighborhood. Now they've

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<v Speaker 3>been painted over in a coat of page. Only one

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<v Speaker 3>tiny mural stands. The Mussano closed down in twenty twelve

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<v Speaker 3>after they ran out of funds. And although the museum

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<v Speaker 3>is gone and the murals are gone, the spirit of

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<v Speaker 3>the museum lingers like a photograph.

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<v Speaker 4>I have never seen a reaction as joyful and as

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<v Speaker 4>grateful and as excited enthused for any museum I've ever

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<v Speaker 4>been too. And yeah, they hit me like people were

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<v Speaker 4>just like they're so hungry to have like a piece

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<v Speaker 4>of their history, be honored, be dignified, even if it's

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<v Speaker 4>something very small and very poor.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe that is the biggest testament to Teresa's legacy,

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<v Speaker 3>that even though her history was largely erased and forgotten,

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<v Speaker 3>her memory lives on in this building, in this city,

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<v Speaker 3>in its people.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the failures I think of radicals in the

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<v Speaker 2>history of this country is that they look only at politics,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't think about love. But I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about mushy, you know, romantic love. I'm talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of love that recognizes the humanity and other people.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we recognize the humanity and other people, like

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that Asita did, then you want the best

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<v Speaker 2>for them, you want for yourself, and that would just

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<v Speaker 2>change everything.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time, this would have been very controversial since

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<v Speaker 3>they were not married.

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