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<v Speaker 1>Dear listener, there are some four letter words that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to drop here, so be prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see hot Iss from where we're standing. You

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<v Speaker 2>can see the buildings across the river. You can see

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<v Speaker 2>the fence right there that divides the two countries. So

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<v Speaker 2>Hottis is right in view.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the cusp of summer as the sun sets over

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<v Speaker 3>La Frontera. I joined doctor Yolanda Leva, a history professor

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<v Speaker 3>at the University of Texas at ol Paso. And there's

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<v Speaker 3>also Da Vidromo, a historian who specializes on the US

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<v Speaker 3>Mexico borderlines.

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<v Speaker 4>Just from this street alone, I mean, you could just

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<v Speaker 4>go building by building and it tells you the most

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<v Speaker 4>important chapters of Mexican American history.

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<v Speaker 3>We are within walking distance of the Paso the North

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<v Speaker 3>the bridge, one of the border bridges that connects al

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<v Speaker 3>Paso to Si La Jus. The Rio Grande River, the

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<v Speaker 3>natural division between the United States and Mexico, snakes below

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<v Speaker 3>the bridge. The three of us are standing in front

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<v Speaker 3>of a red brick apartment building in Segunovarrio, a historic

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<v Speaker 3>neighborhood in downtown al Paso. In the late eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of Mexican immigrants passed through or lived in Segunovarrio.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also known as the Ellis Island of the border.

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<v Speaker 4>Not the other Alice Island. What you original, alis Islo.

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<v Speaker 3>The colorful streets of this neighborhood are full with layers

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<v Speaker 3>of history. Once it was home to El Tostado or

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<v Speaker 3>Don Tosti.

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<v Speaker 4>He was the first Mexican American musician to sell more

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<v Speaker 4>than a million records, and he was a patrico.

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<v Speaker 3>A few blocks down lift Avelaro Delgado, a Chicano writer

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<v Speaker 3>and community organizer. But there's someone else who lived inside

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<v Speaker 3>the red brick apartment building we're standing in front of,

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<v Speaker 3>whose legacy and history has not always been widely celebrated.

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<v Speaker 3>In this exact apartment once lived Teresa Urrea, a Mexican revolutionary,

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<v Speaker 3>a kurandera or healer, and a feminist.

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<v Speaker 4>She was everything. She was a curandera, she was a

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<v Speaker 4>newspaper editor. I mean so many people were drawn to

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<v Speaker 4>her charisma that literally hundreds of people would set up

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<v Speaker 4>tents in front of our home there.

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<v Speaker 3>In eighteen ninety six, Teresa Aurea moved to Alpasso. People

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<v Speaker 3>loved her, They worshiped her like a.

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<v Speaker 4>Saint Teresita became a symbol of a forgotten history that

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<v Speaker 4>was utterly fascinating. I mean, she was like the Selina

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<v Speaker 4>of her time.

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<v Speaker 1>From Fudro media. It's Latino Usa. I'm Maria ino Coosa.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we bring back to life the forgotten story of

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa Urrea, the Mexican Joan of arc Back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, the city of Lbaso approved a plan

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<v Speaker 1>to demolish Segundo Barrio, the same neighborhood where Teresaurea healed

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of people in the eighteen hundreds. Teresaurea was a

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<v Speaker 1>curandera who used herbs and traditional indigenous healing methods, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are also various accounts of Teresa having a special

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<v Speaker 1>power she could heal through her touch. In the late

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century, Teresa was a star. Aside from people believing

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<v Speaker 1>she was a saint, her vision of love and equality

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<v Speaker 1>inspired rebellions in Mexico against the dictatorship of Portfedio Das.

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<v Speaker 1>But with time, her miraculous life got erased from history

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<v Speaker 1>books and museums. To understand the story of Teresa Urea

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<v Speaker 1>is to understand what gets remembered and what gets forgotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Two historians Davidromo and Jolanda Leva were part of a

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<v Speaker 1>resistance movement to the city's demolition plan. They created Museo Urbano,

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<v Speaker 1>a space to celebrate the legacy of Segundovarrio. The museum

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<v Speaker 1>included an exhibition in the very same apartment where Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>once lived. Today Teresa Urrea, who at nineteen years old

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<v Speaker 1>was once called the most dangerous girl in Mexico by

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<v Speaker 1>the dictator Porfitio Es. Our producer Maries Kincan is going

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<v Speaker 1>to take it from here.

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<v Speaker 3>Teresaure was born in eighteen seventy three in the last

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<v Speaker 3>Green state of Sinaloa, Mexico. Her mother, Kayetana Chaves, was

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<v Speaker 3>an indigenous woman. She worked in the ranch of Don

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<v Speaker 3>Too mass Urrea, a tall, light skinned rich asandalo with

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<v Speaker 3>Spanish lineage, notorious for his wondering ey. Tetana was just

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen years old when she gave birth to Tenessita, the

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<v Speaker 3>daughter of Tomas Urrea.

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<v Speaker 2>So, if we're looking at it from the perspective of

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<v Speaker 2>society back then, fourteen is a pretty common age to

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<v Speaker 2>get married and to start having children.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Yolanda again Achicana, historian at the University of

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<v Speaker 3>Texas at al Paso, she specializes in border history.

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<v Speaker 2>What is not different is that power relationship that he's

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<v Speaker 2>her employer, so we don't know like did she want

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<v Speaker 2>to have sex with him or or was it forced.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we look at that power dynamic, then I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's very questionable.

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<v Speaker 3>In an interview, Teresa said she was an illegitimate child.

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<v Speaker 3>She was one of nineteen children Don tomas Uria had

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<v Speaker 3>outside of his marriage. As a child, Teresita must have

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<v Speaker 3>stood out as a misty. She's described as having light skin,

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<v Speaker 3>large brown eyes, and long black hair. In eighteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 3>when Teresa was seven years old, Portfirio Diaz's first term

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<v Speaker 3>as president of Mexico was ending a military general. He

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<v Speaker 3>came into office by staging a coup and reigned over

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<v Speaker 3>Mexico for more than thirty years. The general would shape

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<v Speaker 3>the course of Teresa's life. Portfirio Diaz's time in office

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<v Speaker 3>is known as the Portfiriato. He ruled with an iron

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<v Speaker 3>fist and secured his presidency by installing his supporters and

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<v Speaker 3>positions of power. His opponents were sometimes assassinated.

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<v Speaker 4>And he basically controlled the whole shebang. You know, all

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<v Speaker 4>of Mexico, through corruption, through just having the just, keeping

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<v Speaker 4>good relations with the oligarchy in every different state.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Da Vidromo again, the history professor who specializes

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<v Speaker 3>on the borderland. He wrote about Teresa Ourra in Ringside

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<v Speaker 3>Seat to a Revolution, his book about al Paso and

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<v Speaker 3>Sula Huardes's connection to the Mexican Revolution. In Sinaloa, Teresa's father, Tomasura,

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<v Speaker 3>is forced to leave the state because he didn't support

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<v Speaker 3>the Diaz backed candidate for governor. Don Tomasura decided to

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<v Speaker 3>move to another family owned ranch further north in Kawoa,

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<v Speaker 3>a city in the neighboring state of Sonora some two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred miles away. Kayetana and Teresa, who was seven years

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<v Speaker 3>old at the time, were among the hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 3>who joined tomas Urrea in his exile from Sinaloa. For

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<v Speaker 3>all of her childhood and into her teenage years, Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>grew up with her mother in separate quarters from the ranch.

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<v Speaker 3>She grew up in poverty, surrounded by indigenous people like

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<v Speaker 3>her mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Recitore is growing up in this time of great changes

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico, great economic changes, and the rich are getting

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<v Speaker 2>richer and the poor are getting poorer, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>little middle class, but it doesn't have much power.

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<v Speaker 3>Teresita didn't go to school until she was nine years old,

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<v Speaker 3>but she didn't want to study. The more and more

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<v Speaker 3>I read about Teresa, the more obsessed I became. There

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<v Speaker 3>was something marvelous or otherworldly about her. The details that

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<v Speaker 3>seeped in through newspapers, interviews and archives were fascinating. Take

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<v Speaker 3>this quote, for example, taken from an interview in the

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco Examiner in nineteen hundred, where she described how

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<v Speaker 3>she learned to read.

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<v Speaker 5>Later, I felt I wanted to learn how to read,

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<v Speaker 5>and I learned my alphabet from a very very old lady.

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<v Speaker 5>My writing came to me of itself. I wanted to write,

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<v Speaker 5>and I wrote. But how I learned I don't know,

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<v Speaker 5>for I was not taught on the floor of my

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<v Speaker 5>mother's house. I first wrote with my little finger in

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<v Speaker 5>the dust.

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<v Speaker 3>The quotuo hear of Teresa taken from English newspaper articles.

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa didn't speak English, so they are translations and they

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<v Speaker 3>are voiced by one of our producers, Victoria Estra. When

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa was fifteen years old, her mother, Kajitana, disappeared. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not clear why. Like many details in Teresa's life, there

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<v Speaker 3>are things we just don't know that have been lost

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<v Speaker 3>in the historical record. After her mother disappeared, Don Tomas

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<v Speaker 3>Urrea ordered Teresa to move into the ranch with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa's life completely changed. The dirt floors she grew up

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<v Speaker 3>with were replaced by the white adove walls of her

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<v Speaker 3>father's large acienda. Don to maas Urias's mistress, a teenager

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<v Speaker 3>nearly the same age as Teresita, lived in the acienda too.

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<v Speaker 3>At her father's ranch, Teresa became an apprentice to Wuila,

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<v Speaker 3>a Yaki Kurandera who worked for her father. The Yakis

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<v Speaker 3>are in undiadigenous group in Sonora. Through Wila, Teresa learned

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<v Speaker 3>how to heal by using plants, part of an indigenous

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<v Speaker 3>traditional medicine practice known as kurand Rismo that predates the

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<v Speaker 3>sixteenth century. Gurandismo refers to a system of healing practice

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<v Speaker 3>in Mexico, Latin America, and in places with large Mexican

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<v Speaker 3>communities like the US Mexico borderlands. Prior to the Spanish

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<v Speaker 3>colonization of Mexico, there were indigenous healers across the region.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look at traditional medicine among indigenous people before

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<v Speaker 3>the Europeans came, everybody was very specialized. Some people knew

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<v Speaker 3>about plants, some people knew how to work with bones,

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<v Speaker 3>some people knew how to do massages, just like we

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<v Speaker 3>would think of a medical specialization today. It's believed gorandros

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<v Speaker 3>have a special don or gift that allows them to

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<v Speaker 3>cure others, and unlike Western medicine, gourandismo is not limited

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<v Speaker 3>to the physical body. It concerns itself with the psychological, spiritual, social,

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<v Speaker 3>and health needs of a person. That mind and body

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<v Speaker 3>are connected. With Spanish colonization in the sixteenth century, indigenous

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<v Speaker 3>healing methods merge with European practices. The word gourandeo comes

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<v Speaker 3>from the Spanish word kurat, which means to heal.

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<v Speaker 2>So then when the Spanish come and begin to control society,

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<v Speaker 2>they too want to undermine the idea that indigenous people

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<v Speaker 2>have knowledge or can contribute, so they don't want people

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<v Speaker 2>to think, oh, look at this highly specialized medical system.

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<v Speaker 3>Gurandismo was looked down upon by Spanish physicians and was

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<v Speaker 3>even considered criminal. During the Mexican Inquisition, Gurandrismo was a

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutable crime. Characteristics of kuranda Rismo include ritual Catholic prayer,

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<v Speaker 3>the use of plants and herbs, and the belief in

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<v Speaker 3>God or Creator. To become a Kurandea takes years of training.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not something anyone can just pick up. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>commitment that is taken very seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just like I wouldn't take a biology class

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<v Speaker 2>and say I'm a doctor now. People shouldn't call themselves

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<v Speaker 2>at curandeta if they have not really thoroughly trained, and

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<v Speaker 2>they have a teacher who has trained them.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in al Paso, I'm in the house of Greece Munos.

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<v Speaker 6>My name is Gris Munos.

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<v Speaker 3>A self described moher medicina or a curandera. She burns carwone, mesquite, goppal,

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<v Speaker 3>lavender and tobacco. The smoke fills a room and hovers

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<v Speaker 3>around us, swirling in esses. Grise feels connected to Teresa.

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<v Speaker 3>She has a picture of her and her altar.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm very connected to Teresita.

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<v Speaker 6>She's been watching me a long time, and Terita is

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<v Speaker 6>still around.

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<v Speaker 7>She hasn't gone anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Greece is also close friends with one of Teresa's living relatives,

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<v Speaker 3>the Chicano writer Luis Albertore. Like Teresa Greece, was the

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<v Speaker 3>apprentice of Akurandeta for years. Grease works with the spirit.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not a midwife, I'm not a I'm not a wescera.

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<v Speaker 6>Women tend to find me when they've gotten themselves a

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe they just.

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<v Speaker 6>Went through a major change, Maybe they need to accept something,

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<v Speaker 6>a death of some type. That's really where I come in.

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<v Speaker 6>I can't speak for all curanderos, but essentially, especially the

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<v Speaker 6>ones that work with the like I do. We're just

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<v Speaker 6>here to help you reconnect.

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<v Speaker 3>In the borderlands, Gandarismo is still very prevalent. The borderlands

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<v Speaker 3>used to be part of Mexico until the mid nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five years before Theisa was born, but during the

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<v Speaker 3>Mexican American War of the late eighteen forties, Mexico lost Arizona, California,

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<v Speaker 3>Under her apprenticeship with Wila, Esa learned the names and

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<v Speaker 3>properties of more than two hundred herbs. She followed Wila

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<v Speaker 3>on the next set of events. Some accounts say Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>had an epileptic seizure. Reports say an engineering student tried

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<v Speaker 3>In either case, after losing consciousness, Teresa fell into a coma.

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<v Speaker 2>They think she's dead.

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<v Speaker 3>ESA's father put his ear against her chest to listen

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<v Speaker 3>a coffin to be built. They prepared that Esa for

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<v Speaker 3>a wake, dressed her in a white dress. They placed

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<v Speaker 6>So they make her a casket and in Elvelorio, she

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<v Speaker 3>And everyone is like holy shit. After waking up, that

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<v Speaker 6>And then Wila died.

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<v Speaker 3>Three days later, Teresa's teacher was found in her room.

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<v Speaker 3>It looked like she passed away peacefully. The cause of

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<v Speaker 6>And they buried Wila in the casket they had made.

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<v Speaker 7>For Terracita.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up on Latino Usa. Teresa Rea wakes up from

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<v Speaker 1>her coma with a newfound power. She can miraculously heal

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<v Speaker 1>people through touch. Stay with us, Hey, we're back. When

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<v Speaker 1>we left off, Teresa Rea had woken up from a

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<v Speaker 1>coma and had predicted the death of her mentor, Weela

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<v Speaker 1>a Yaqui Grandea. Now Deesa realizes she has a new

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<v Speaker 1>miraculous power. Producer Marieskinka is going to pick up the

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<v Speaker 3>After waking up from her coma, Teresa was a normal

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<v Speaker 3>she fell into a trance that lasted three months and

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen days. In an article from the San Francisco Examiner,

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<v Speaker 3>Teresaure said she didn't remember anything that happened during those

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<v Speaker 5>They tell me those who saw me, that I could

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<v Speaker 5>move about, that they had to feed me, that I

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<v Speaker 5>talked strange things about God and religion.

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<v Speaker 3>During this trance, Teresa said she had a vision the

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<v Speaker 3>archangel Gabriel appeared to her as a young man. He

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<v Speaker 3>delivered her a letter. It urged everyone to repent from

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<v Speaker 3>their sins, believe in Jesus, and they would be cured.

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<v Speaker 3>When she finally returned to full consciousness, Teresa had a gift.

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<v Speaker 3>She could heal people through touch. One of the people

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<v Speaker 3>she cured in Kavora was Marianna, a woman in her

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<v Speaker 3>twenties that couldn't walk. After Teresa cured her, Marianna was

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<v Speaker 3>able to walk again, and she became her devout, loyal

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<v Speaker 3>when she healed people.

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<v Speaker 5>I could still if I touched people or rub them

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<v Speaker 5>make them well. I felt in me only the wish

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<v Speaker 5>to do good in the world. I spoke much to

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<v Speaker 5>the people about God, not about the church or to

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<v Speaker 5>tell them to go to church, but about God. I

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<v Speaker 5>told them what I believe, that God is the spirit

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<v Speaker 5>of love, that we who we are in the world,

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<v Speaker 5>must love one another and live in peace, otherwise we

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<v Speaker 3>Word quickly spread about the miraculous healer. Hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 3>started visiting her father's ranch in Kawarah. They traveled long

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<v Speaker 3>distances and were often poor and indigenous people of the region,

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<v Speaker 3>the Yaqui and Mayo Indians. That Isa refused to charge

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<v Speaker 3>for her services.

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<v Speaker 5>I have no wish to be paid. I do not

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<v Speaker 5>care for find things or find houses or money. I

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<v Speaker 5>will refuse no one to help.

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<v Speaker 3>Aside from her healing powers, there were other supernatural phenomena

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<v Speaker 4>Her family members believed that she was able to predict

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<v Speaker 4>even when people were about to arrive that she had

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<v Speaker 4>no knowledge of. She would say this such and such

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<v Speaker 4>a person that is going to come tomorrow, and they

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<v Speaker 4>would She could predict rain, She could predict deaths in

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<v Speaker 3>She had other strange qualities, and people would say that

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<v Speaker 3>she admitted an aroma of roses, like so many people

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<v Speaker 3>would say that, like she just smelt like roses. There

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<v Speaker 3>are also accounts of her quote unquote astro projecting.

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<v Speaker 2>Like she could travel out of her body and she

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<v Speaker 2>could describe places she had never been. And it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like she had the internet right where we could fake it.

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<v Speaker 3>People began to call her a saint and worshiped her

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<v Speaker 3>like one. They called her Santa Theresa, la Santa de

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<v Speaker 3>Santa de Risita. She was only sixteen years old. They

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<v Speaker 3>created prayer cards with her image. In one prayer card,

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<v Speaker 3>she stoically stands. She's dressed in a black dress that

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<v Speaker 3>covers her arms. A long black cross hangs from her neck.

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<v Speaker 3>Her black hair is wrapped in a braided bun angels

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<v Speaker 3>surround her. Two turubs hold a crown they are placing

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<v Speaker 3>over her head. Her gaze is looking at the distance.

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<v Speaker 3>They built wooden statues of her to venerate her like

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<v Speaker 3>a saint. Teresa said she was not a saint. That

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<v Speaker 3>you don't need the mediation of the church or priest

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<v Speaker 3>to cure, an idea that she repeated more than once.

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<v Speaker 3>In doing so, she challenged the authority of the Catholic Church,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most powerful institutions in Mexico even today.

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<v Speaker 5>I felt that God willed that I should heal them,

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<v Speaker 5>and when they asked me, I did so. No, I

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<v Speaker 5>do not think prayer is necessary, nor does one have

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<v Speaker 5>to believe in me to be cured. If I can cure,

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<v Speaker 5>I can.

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<v Speaker 3>Priests announced her as a heretic and impostor and evil worker.

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<v Speaker 3>The clergy threatened to excommunicate everyone that seeked her help.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's Grise again, the Kuranda from al Paso.

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<v Speaker 6>They saw her like a living saint. So you can

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<v Speaker 6>imagine what heresy to call a teenage girl Asantha, right,

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<v Speaker 6>a living teen girl Asanta. So she became a problem.

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<v Speaker 6>In those times, the only people that could talk to

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<v Speaker 6>God were priests.

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<v Speaker 3>From a young age. That is, I was breaking all

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<v Speaker 3>sorts of traditional norms and rules.

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<v Speaker 6>She was completely considered heretical and completely forward for her

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<v Speaker 6>time in every way.

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<v Speaker 3>At the same time, the power of dictator Porfido Dias

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<v Speaker 3>only kept growing. Under the Porto, thousands of Yakis were

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<v Speaker 3>taken from their lands and expelled as slaves to Yucatan.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's la viv romo again.

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<v Speaker 4>So Porfilioias in Sonora carried out this very destructive warfare

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<v Speaker 4>against the indigenous Yaki population and would send the Yakis

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<v Speaker 3>Teresa was often visited by the Yaquis in Kawora, and

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<v Speaker 3>she was sympathetic to their uprisings. She often defended them

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<v Speaker 3>and said they had the god given right to fight

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<v Speaker 3>for their land and freedom, and later interviews with The

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<v Speaker 3>New York Journal, she described watching Yaki children not even

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<v Speaker 3>three years old being lynched. She called the Yakis the

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<v Speaker 3>bravest and most persecuted people in the world. This at

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<v Speaker 3>a time when opposing the Diaz regime was deadly.

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<v Speaker 4>So told the Yakis to fight for their lands, and

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<v Speaker 4>of course this brought the enmity of Corfiolias.

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<v Speaker 3>While Teresa never took arms, she inspired rebellions. This was

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<v Speaker 3>the case in one small town called Tomochik, located in

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<v Speaker 3>the Sierra Madre of Chihuahua, about two hundred miles away

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<v Speaker 3>from Alpaso. After hearing about Teresa's power, Kruz Travis, the

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<v Speaker 3>leader of Tomochic, and other villagers traveled to Kabora to

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<v Speaker 3>meet with Teresa. They witnessed hundreds of people camped out

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<v Speaker 3>at her father's ranch. They had heard of Teresa's healing

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<v Speaker 3>powers and visited her to be cured. They were moved

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<v Speaker 3>by her vision of love. Kruz Travis, the Tomosik leader,

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<v Speaker 3>and Teresa became friends and started exchanging letters. When the

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<v Speaker 3>villagers returned to Tomochik, they decided to only worship living saints.

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<v Speaker 3>They replaced the statue of a dead Sig with the

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<v Speaker 3>statue of a living Teresa. They chose La Sante caoa

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<v Speaker 3>deterresita as the official guardian of the town. This brought

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<v Speaker 3>the great ire of a local priest, who threatened to

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<v Speaker 3>excommunicate every Tomochko who believed in Teresa. When they refused

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<v Speaker 3>to obey, the priests sent out a message to the government.

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<v Speaker 3>Porfido Dias ordered the rebels to be quickly and severely punished.

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<v Speaker 4>And Porfioria sends hundreds of troops to utterly destroy the

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<v Speaker 3>The rebels flinged themselves into a fight they were destined

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<v Speaker 3>to lose, shouting Viva la Santa Kaura. According to Romo,

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<v Speaker 3>they killed six hundred federal troops, but the Mexican government

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<v Speaker 3>led a ruthless fight. They set fire to the village,

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<v Speaker 3>killed women and children. They stacked the bodies of the

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<v Speaker 3>dead with their leader, Cruise Travis on top. Not one

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<v Speaker 3>boy or man over the age of thirteen survived, according

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<v Speaker 4>I was just kind of a vicious, vicious attack on

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<v Speaker 4>anyone that would challenge the power of the dictator of Mexico.

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<v Speaker 4>At that time.

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<v Speaker 3>The Mexican government claimed that Asita incited the rebellion. She

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<v Speaker 3>always denied any involvement in any uprisings, but she also

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<v Speaker 3>defended them. She believed revolution was necessary when people were oppressed.

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<v Speaker 3>When she was nineteen years old, Porfidio Diaz exiled Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>from Mexico. I can't help thinking of Teresa's power, of

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that men threw themselves into a revolution while

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<v Speaker 3>screaming her name.

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<v Speaker 2>Porfiodias had said she was the most dangerous girl in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was a teenager. So what would make a

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<v Speaker 2>policing power. You know that to me shows you the

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<v Speaker 2>power of her love and the power of her vision,

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<v Speaker 2>which was that everyone should be equal, men and women, mestisos, blancos,

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<v Speaker 2>indigenous people, everybody's human.

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<v Speaker 3>After being exiled from Mexico in eighteen ninety two, Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>lived in Nogles, Arizona. By then, Teresa was already a star.

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<v Speaker 3>The world press had been covering her miraculous cures for

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<v Speaker 3>two years. At that point, she.

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<v Speaker 4>Was in the newspapers all the time, the local newspapers,

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<v Speaker 4>newspapers in Mexico City, and there were articles like from

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<v Speaker 4>all over the United States about her, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>New York Times, and I know that there were people

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<v Speaker 4>from France writing letters to her. So this is like

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<v Speaker 4>mega superstar in the world of the eighteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>Reading the articles, it seems there's almost an obsession with her.

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<v Speaker 3>They often start by focusing on her looks. They call

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<v Speaker 3>her beautiful. In one article, she's described as Mexican in hue,

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<v Speaker 3>with large, handsome eyes, hypnotic. Some people call them raven haired, tall,

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<v Speaker 3>and slender. Another article is headlined she is not pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes on to say that she is not ugly,

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<v Speaker 3>but she has quote a squatty figure and a round,

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<v Speaker 3>fat face, just as hundreds of ordinary Mexican women have.

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<v Speaker 3>They speculate and scrutinize her cures. One article mentions American

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<v Speaker 3>physicians don't take her seriously because she doesn't practice germ

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<v Speaker 3>theory and touches the hands of the people she helps.

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<v Speaker 3>Many describe Americans looking at her with amusement, some newspapers

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<v Speaker 3>a miraculous healer and others a crazy saint. They call

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<v Speaker 3>her the living patron saint of the Indians. There are

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<v Speaker 3>very few articles that actually include interviews with her. Either way,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems they couldn't stop talking about her. After living

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<v Speaker 3>in Arizona, she moved to Albaso in eighteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundreds of people gathered at the Union Depot train station

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<v Speaker 3>awaiting her arrival. People would spend hours trying to catch

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00:29:28.600 --> 00:29:32.320
<v Speaker 3>just a glimpse of Teresa An I'll Passotimes article from

420
00:29:32.320 --> 00:29:37.120
<v Speaker 3>that time reports, I imagine it, the hordes of people

421
00:29:37.560 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 3>pushing up against each other, tiptoeing over each other's shoulders,

422
00:29:42.560 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 3>the buzz and excitement in the air, the way they

423
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.120
<v Speaker 3>must have screened her name when the train arrived, how

424
00:29:49.120 --> 00:29:53.000
<v Speaker 3>they must have roared. No less than three thousand people

425
00:29:53.120 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 3>visited her house on the day she arrived.

426
00:29:55.520 --> 00:30:00.480
<v Speaker 8>The article noted, she would stand there, yegawan, you know,

427
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.600
<v Speaker 8>hundreds of people, the line would be completely down, Segondo Barrio,

428
00:30:05.280 --> 00:30:07.280
<v Speaker 8>and she would heal them with her hands.

429
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.520
<v Speaker 3>Teresa would act. Calculated that she cured up to two

430
00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:15.760
<v Speaker 3>hundred people a day, and I'll passo from six in

431
00:30:15.840 --> 00:30:18.800
<v Speaker 3>the morning to nine at night that Issa cared for

432
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:23.400
<v Speaker 3>the ill. Various accounts exist of her healing work and

433
00:30:23.520 --> 00:30:29.080
<v Speaker 3>her miracles. She cured people suffering from smallpox, leprosy. She

434
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 3>touched people who were paralyzed and they could suddenly walk again.

435
00:30:34.840 --> 00:30:38.120
<v Speaker 3>The al Paso Times reporter also described that Asa looking

436
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 3>pale and weak.

437
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>She wasn't taking care of herself, because how can you

438
00:30:42.320 --> 00:30:45.040
<v Speaker 2>see hundreds of people per day? And then she must

439
00:30:45.080 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 2>have been under a lot of pressure because there were

440
00:30:47.600 --> 00:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>thousands of people waiting to see her.

441
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Throughout her life, her connections to the Mexican Revolution continue,

442
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 3>earning her the title the Mexican Joan of arc and

443
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.760
<v Speaker 3>I'll passo. Teresa co edited Elyne Bendiente, an anti DS newspaper.

444
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Some of the articles have her signature.

445
00:31:05.760 --> 00:31:09.840
<v Speaker 4>During this period, they were about forty Spanish language newspapers

446
00:31:10.280 --> 00:31:14.680
<v Speaker 4>in Alpaso, and the large majority of them were anti ideas.

447
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:19.120
<v Speaker 4>They were anti the dictatorship of Mexico, and Soesita was

448
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Speaker 4>part of that movement, you know, like she she was

449
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.800
<v Speaker 4>spreading the seat, spreading the ideas.

450
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Throughout her life, Teresa was vocal about the Mexican government's

451
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 3>exploitation of indigenous people.

452
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.800
<v Speaker 5>I pity the Indians of Sonona. I wish they were

453
00:31:34.840 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 5>cared for and protected. I fear they will be exterminated.

454
00:31:39.320 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 5>I would do anything for them.

455
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.880
<v Speaker 3>The year that Isa arrived in Alpaso, she co authored

456
00:31:45.120 --> 00:31:49.600
<v Speaker 3>Plan de Tomochic, a manifesto accusing the Mexican government of

457
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.320
<v Speaker 3>murdering Yaqui children. It also called for the abolishment of

458
00:31:53.360 --> 00:31:56.120
<v Speaker 3>the death penalty and the emancipation of women.

459
00:31:56.600 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 4>And half of the people that signed this manifesto were women.

460
00:32:01.040 --> 00:32:03.040
<v Speaker 4>So that's like incredibly advanced.

461
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 3>During the same year, another antiths rebellion breaks out, this

462
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.320
<v Speaker 3>time at a Mexican customs house located in Nogales, Sonora.

463
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 4>This is in August twelve, eighteen ninety six, and there's

464
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:20.320
<v Speaker 4>forty rebels that attacked the Mexican custom house and Nogales, Sonora,

465
00:32:20.840 --> 00:32:23.120
<v Speaker 4>shouting Viva la Santa de Cavora.

466
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.040
<v Speaker 3>The rebels killed two Mexican soldiers and temporarily took control

467
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:31.480
<v Speaker 3>of the customs house for several hours. Some of the

468
00:32:31.560 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 3>men carried letters signed by Teresa, pictures of her, copies

469
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 3>of the newspaper she co edited. US and Mexican soldiers

470
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.760
<v Speaker 3>joined forces and killed seven of the rebels. A picture

471
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.640
<v Speaker 3>of their dead bodies was published in the press. The

472
00:32:47.760 --> 00:32:52.680
<v Speaker 3>caption described them as los indios fanaticos de la Santa Decaora,

473
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 3>the extremist Indian followers of La Santa de Caavora. The

474
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.640
<v Speaker 3>American press became high critical of her. They accused her

475
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:06.560
<v Speaker 3>of leading several rebellions, including the one in Nogales.

476
00:33:08.120 --> 00:33:16.760
<v Speaker 4>So after this happens, the media begins questioning just how

477
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:17.880
<v Speaker 4>dangerous she was.

478
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Headline after headline accused her of leading rebellions of hypnotizing

479
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 3>the peaceful Yaki Indians of causing trouble and Mexico with

480
00:33:26.800 --> 00:33:28.400
<v Speaker 3>her spiritualist propaganda.

481
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.600
<v Speaker 2>That whole idea of calling her a witch is a

482
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>way to discredit her, to undermine her knowledge and her influence.

483
00:33:37.760 --> 00:33:41.000
<v Speaker 2>And then by saying that she's the reason that Indigenous

484
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:46.600
<v Speaker 2>people are rebelling, that's a way also to say they're

485
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.560
<v Speaker 2>too ignorant to organize on their own.

486
00:33:53.760 --> 00:33:57.240
<v Speaker 3>Her vision of love, justice and equality was so strong

487
00:33:57.360 --> 00:33:59.800
<v Speaker 3>that even if she didn't tell people to take arms,

488
00:34:00.120 --> 00:34:03.280
<v Speaker 3>she became their war cry. She turned into a symbol

489
00:34:03.360 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 3>of resistance. Traditionally, it's taught that the Mexican Revolution began

490
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:13.080
<v Speaker 3>on November twentieth, nineteen ten, after Teresa died, but David

491
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.560
<v Speaker 3>argues that the revolution began sooner.

492
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 4>That's the encyclopedia version. This revolutionary activity happened way before

493
00:34:21.040 --> 00:34:25.120
<v Speaker 4>nineteen ten. So it's naive to think that on one day,

494
00:34:25.600 --> 00:34:31.000
<v Speaker 4>one guy calls her people to revolt and everybody rises up. No,

495
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.520
<v Speaker 4>you plan sets sometimes for decades, and there's a lot

496
00:34:35.560 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 4>of failed battles.

497
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.520
<v Speaker 3>He places that Saho as a key figure in the

498
00:34:40.560 --> 00:34:44.399
<v Speaker 3>Mexican Revolution that deserves more recognition, but whose role has

499
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:45.879
<v Speaker 3>been ignored by historians.

500
00:34:46.560 --> 00:34:49.160
<v Speaker 4>Her role in the revolution was not to shoot people,

501
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:55.760
<v Speaker 4>it was to inspire people. It is Fronteisa based healing

502
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.640
<v Speaker 4>powers that could ultimately change the world, that they could

503
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 4>lead to a revolution, to a more just fission of

504
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:06.439
<v Speaker 4>who we are as a community, and that was incredibly

505
00:35:06.520 --> 00:35:07.399
<v Speaker 4>ahead of her time.

506
00:35:08.680 --> 00:35:13.040
<v Speaker 3>For Yolanda, the history professor, that ESA's radical politics set

507
00:35:13.080 --> 00:35:14.800
<v Speaker 3>her apart from other Couraneros.

508
00:35:15.600 --> 00:35:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I think the more important thing that sets her apart

509
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:24.440
<v Speaker 2>is that she combined traditional knowledge with I guess what

510
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>we would call now social justice. I don't see that

511
00:35:28.680 --> 00:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>in the other Keelers of that time. That's what sets

512
00:35:32.520 --> 00:35:36.799
<v Speaker 2>her apart, is that combination of tradition but also a

513
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 2>vision for a better future.

514
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 3>While she lived in Alpaso, they tried to kill Ddesa

515
00:35:52.080 --> 00:35:55.240
<v Speaker 3>three times, causing her to leave just a year later.

516
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.640
<v Speaker 3>She faced assassination attempts throughout her life.

517
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:05.399
<v Speaker 6>Again, it's incredible to think that a young woman could

518
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 6>be such a threat to like a government, a whole

519
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.279
<v Speaker 6>system of patriarchy.

520
00:36:12.200 --> 00:36:17.240
<v Speaker 3>After leaving Alpaso, Teresa moved to Clifton, Arizona. There isn't

521
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.720
<v Speaker 3>a lot of reporting on this period of her life

522
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:24.239
<v Speaker 3>until nineteen hundred in Clifton, she met a man called

523
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Guadalupe Rodriguez. Wadalupe remains a mysterious man. It's hard to

524
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:34.520
<v Speaker 3>find any archival information about him. In an interview with

525
00:36:34.560 --> 00:36:39.439
<v Speaker 3>one of Teresa's relatives, he's described as handsome. Teresa married

526
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:43.759
<v Speaker 3>Guadalupe eight months after meeting him, against her father's wishes.

527
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.920
<v Speaker 3>At that time, Teresa was twenty seven years old. The

528
00:36:48.040 --> 00:36:51.960
<v Speaker 3>day after they got married, Guadalupe tried to kill her.

529
00:36:53.680 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 3>Teresa recounted what happened in an article from the San

530
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Francisco Examiner.

531
00:36:59.200 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 5>The next day after we were married, he acted strangely.

532
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 5>He drew up some things of mine, pecked some of

533
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 5>my clothes in a bundle, put it over his shoulder,

534
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.839
<v Speaker 5>and said to me, come with me. The people who

535
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:11.759
<v Speaker 5>saw him said for me not to go, but I

536
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 5>followed him. He walked on the railroad track. I did

537
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.879
<v Speaker 5>not know where he wanted to run. I ran too.

538
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.080
<v Speaker 5>He had his gun and started to shoot. The people

539
00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:25.640
<v Speaker 5>ran out and made me come back. Then they caught him.

540
00:37:26.120 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 5>He was insane, and they put him in jail.

541
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 3>A headline from the time read, Santa Teresa shot by

542
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:39.200
<v Speaker 3>spouse Yaqui saint finds marriage a failure. Other articles reported

543
00:37:39.200 --> 00:37:43.000
<v Speaker 3>that she lost popularity amongst her followers because saints are

544
00:37:43.040 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 3>not supposed to get married. She later divorced him. That

545
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Asa then left her family in Clifton and traveled to

546
00:37:56.520 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 3>San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, and Saint Louis. She

547
00:38:01.120 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 3>was planning on embarking on a world tour and wanted

548
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.680
<v Speaker 3>to travel to Europe and India in order to learn

549
00:38:06.680 --> 00:38:11.799
<v Speaker 3>about the source of her healing powers. She said her

550
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:14.799
<v Speaker 3>power came from God, but she wanted to learn how

551
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:16.320
<v Speaker 3>it moved through her body.

552
00:38:17.040 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 5>I seek to find out whence the power is derived.

553
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.279
<v Speaker 3>She wanted to travel to cities like Paris and Jerusalem,

554
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:29.359
<v Speaker 3>where may I find someone wise in such matters who

555
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:33.280
<v Speaker 3>can and will tell me the secret? But she didn't

556
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.839
<v Speaker 3>make it to those cities. In nineteen oh two, her

557
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.359
<v Speaker 3>father died. That same year, she gave birth to her

558
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.319
<v Speaker 3>first child. That as I had lived in New York

559
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 3>for a year with her translator and a family friend,

560
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.080
<v Speaker 3>John Van Order. She had two daughters with him at

561
00:38:50.080 --> 00:38:53.080
<v Speaker 3>the time. This would have been very controversial since they

562
00:38:53.080 --> 00:38:53.960
<v Speaker 3>were not married.

563
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 4>She was definitely a woman ahead of her times and

564
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 4>a woman that was that strout many different borders. She

565
00:39:02.120 --> 00:39:05.240
<v Speaker 4>was a liminal being, somebody that's neither here nor there,

566
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.400
<v Speaker 4>and I think that's what made her so fascinating. So

567
00:39:08.520 --> 00:39:11.239
<v Speaker 4>this was a woman that was defying all kinds of

568
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:13.960
<v Speaker 4>traditional boundaries.

569
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:18.040
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen oh four, Teresa moved back to Arizona with

570
00:39:18.080 --> 00:39:20.759
<v Speaker 3>her partner John. She bought some land and had a

571
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:25.640
<v Speaker 3>house built. On October fifteenth, nineteen oh five, Teresa Ure

572
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.680
<v Speaker 3>hosted a party in her newly built home in Clifton

573
00:39:29.160 --> 00:39:33.480
<v Speaker 3>to celebrate her thirty second birthday. I imagine this moment

574
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:37.279
<v Speaker 3>the era of us, with celebration and joy. They just

575
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.440
<v Speaker 3>blew out the candles, everyone's eating cake. Esa liked to

576
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.600
<v Speaker 3>play the guitar and the marimba. She loved to sing.

577
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.040
<v Speaker 3>The room freshly minted by her voice. Maybe she had

578
00:39:50.120 --> 00:39:54.759
<v Speaker 3>just opened gifts. But then Esa predicted she would die

579
00:39:54.840 --> 00:40:00.080
<v Speaker 3>before her next birthday, when she would turn thirty three.

580
00:40:00.200 --> 00:40:02.839
<v Speaker 3>Then she went around the room and said goodbye to

581
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:12.160
<v Speaker 3>every guest. Months later, on January eleventh, nineteen oh six,

582
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.919
<v Speaker 3>that as I was at home with Marianna, her old

583
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:18.040
<v Speaker 3>time friend and aid and one of the first people

584
00:40:18.040 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 3>that she had healed. She told Marianna.

585
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.560
<v Speaker 5>Put me in this room and put these clothes on me.

586
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.680
<v Speaker 3>The room she was referring to was on the second

587
00:40:26.680 --> 00:40:29.479
<v Speaker 3>floor of her house. It was called the flower room

588
00:40:29.560 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 3>because it was full of flowers, ferns, and plants. It

589
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:37.520
<v Speaker 3>was built to allow the maximum amount of sunlight. Essa

590
00:40:37.640 --> 00:40:43.439
<v Speaker 3>loved flowers. She grew geraniums, pegonias, a bright red hibiscus.

591
00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Her hair was five feet long that as I would

592
00:40:47.640 --> 00:40:49.720
<v Speaker 3>kick it out of her way when it was loose.

593
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:54.759
<v Speaker 3>It was longer than her body. When they offered her tea,

594
00:40:55.200 --> 00:40:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Essa said, I.

595
00:40:56.600 --> 00:41:00.319
<v Speaker 5>Do not want tea. I feel so badly. I think

596
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.440
<v Speaker 5>this is my last day of life. Teresa asked for

597
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.960
<v Speaker 5>a pan and a towel. She washed her hands, wiped

598
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:11.000
<v Speaker 5>them down, tied them with a blue ribbon, handed the

599
00:41:11.080 --> 00:41:13.399
<v Speaker 5>towel back and said take this.

600
00:41:14.080 --> 00:41:18.440
<v Speaker 3>I will never use it again. She then went to

601
00:41:18.520 --> 00:41:26.560
<v Speaker 3>rest in her bedroom. Quite late afternoon, Teresa died. Marianna

602
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.440
<v Speaker 3>dressed her in a white robe and a blue shawl.

603
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.520
<v Speaker 3>When they put Teresa in the coffin, they wrapped her

604
00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:39.279
<v Speaker 3>long hair around her arm. She gave instructions to lay

605
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 3>her in the flower room for her funeral. I can

606
00:41:43.040 --> 00:41:48.400
<v Speaker 3>imagine Teresa suspended in flowers. The cause of her death

607
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:52.840
<v Speaker 3>isn't clear. She might have had tuberculosis or pneumonia. The

608
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.080
<v Speaker 3>official record stated consumption.

609
00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:01.720
<v Speaker 6>That's another like aspect of guranderismo. Is that life force

610
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.759
<v Speaker 6>that you have, that you're sharing it with people, and

611
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 6>they're taking little pieces of it, little pieces of it,

612
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 6>little pieces of it. Eventually, you know, a lot of

613
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:17.120
<v Speaker 6>crandeto's get really sick and they die, you know. And

614
00:42:17.200 --> 00:42:21.319
<v Speaker 6>so it's that deep of a commitment when I tell

615
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 6>you it's till the death.

616
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I can't talk about that is without admitting the sadness

617
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.400
<v Speaker 3>I feel when I think of her life and death.

618
00:42:32.120 --> 00:42:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Her story feels incomplete, like a picture of her that's

619
00:42:36.640 --> 00:42:40.600
<v Speaker 3>been punctured with tiny holes. I feel the limitations of

620
00:42:40.640 --> 00:42:44.680
<v Speaker 3>the archive, of the gaps in her life, the things

621
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 3>about her that I can only imagine or speculate, the

622
00:42:48.520 --> 00:42:52.800
<v Speaker 3>sound of her voice, her favorite book, her favorite smell.

623
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:54.600
<v Speaker 3>And that's one of the.

624
00:42:54.560 --> 00:42:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Frustrating things to me, is a historian, is it, especially

625
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:01.520
<v Speaker 2>with women? There's just things we'll never know.

626
00:43:03.040 --> 00:43:06.400
<v Speaker 3>I think about the way the press wrote about her

627
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:12.480
<v Speaker 3>banished Senorita, the woes of Teresa Urrea, a witch to

628
00:43:12.560 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 3>be shot. I think of all the violences she must

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<v Speaker 3>have experienced that we will never know about, and of

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<v Speaker 3>her strength.

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<v Speaker 6>She's a woman, She wasn't a saint.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a teen girl.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine the details of her life that an archive

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<v Speaker 3>imbued with sexism and racism will never be able to

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<v Speaker 3>tell us about her. Did she stare into a lover's eyes?

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<v Speaker 3>Did she dance by herself in front of a mirror?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe she scribbled her secrets into a journal she secretly

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<v Speaker 3>stashed away somewhere only for herself.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know why I always think like I always

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<v Speaker 6>think about how longly she must have been and even

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<v Speaker 6>growing older, and not really knowing who you can trust,

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<v Speaker 6>and really being seen as like a commodity.

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<v Speaker 3>Her whole life is marked by the things she did

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<v Speaker 3>for others. What does her life tell us about what

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<v Speaker 3>society deems worthy of remembering about the life of a

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<v Speaker 3>revolutionary woman. I imagine her existing without the weight of

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<v Speaker 3>having to be godly, saintly, of her having an ordinary life,

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<v Speaker 3>drinking a cup of coffee, reading a poem, singing into

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<v Speaker 3>the stem of a sunflower. I remember her limitlessness, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe this is enough. Back at Teresa's former red brick

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<v Speaker 3>wall apartment in Alpasso. The entrance of the building is

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<v Speaker 3>fenced in with black gates. Through its holes you can

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<v Speaker 3>see a giant plaque. Historian Da Vitromo reads it.

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<v Speaker 4>This was the site of the residence of Teresa Urrea,

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<v Speaker 4>an influential legendary healer who helped inspired early revolutionary movements.

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<v Speaker 3>There were once murals that covered the courtyard adjacent to

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<v Speaker 3>the apartment complex that hosted musse Urano. The murals were

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<v Speaker 3>painted by students and people from the neighborhood. Now they've

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<v Speaker 3>been painted over in a code of page. Only one

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<v Speaker 3>tiny mural stands. The MUSSO closed down in twenty twelve

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<v Speaker 3>after they ran out of funds. And although the museum

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<v Speaker 3>is gone and the murals are gone, the spirit of

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<v Speaker 3>the museum lingers like a photograph.

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<v Speaker 4>I have never seen a reaction as joyful and as

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<v Speaker 4>grateful and as excited enthused for any museum I've ever

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<v Speaker 4>been too. And yeah, they hit me like people were

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<v Speaker 4>just like they're so hungry to have like a piece

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<v Speaker 4>of their history be honored, be dignified, even if it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's something very small and very poor.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe that is the biggest testament to Teresa's legacy,

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<v Speaker 3>that even though her history was largely erased and forgotten,

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<v Speaker 3>her memory lives on in this building, in this city,

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<v Speaker 3>in its people.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the failures I think of radicals in the

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<v Speaker 2>history of this country is that they look only at politics,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't think about love. But I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about mushy, you know, romantic love. I'm talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of love that recognizes the humanity and other people.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we recognize the humanity and other people like

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that Asita did, then you want the best

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<v Speaker 2>for them like you want for yourself, and that would

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<v Speaker 2>just change everything.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time, this would have been very controversial since

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<v Speaker 3>they were not married

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<v Speaker 4>To Pas