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<v Speaker 1>Canting Quin trasenest momentuo tubi the SuperM Barrasamama.

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<v Speaker 2>Last month I spoke with a very pregnant woman. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna call her.

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<v Speaker 1>Monica, and.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Monica's first baby. And when we spoke in May,

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<v Speaker 2>she was entering her third and final trimester.

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<v Speaker 1>Mevaldan Teresa Semana.

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<v Speaker 2>So far, everything has been special, from the moment she

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<v Speaker 2>found out she was pregnant, after waiting for so long

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<v Speaker 2>to go in shopping with her husband for the babies

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<v Speaker 2>first one Sietero. Monica and her husband have been living

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States for about six years now. In

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, they fled Venezuela after receiving death threats because

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<v Speaker 2>of their disapproval of the government. Now they both have

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<v Speaker 2>TPS Temporary Protected status and they're waiting for a decision

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<v Speaker 2>on their asylum application. In the meantime, they've built a

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<v Speaker 2>new life in South Carolina, home of sweet iced Tea,

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<v Speaker 2>college football, and a Venezuelan community that is growing at

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<v Speaker 2>least by one. She always dreamt of being a mom.

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<v Speaker 1>So loke stimo moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Monica is in her thirties. She took her time becoming

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<v Speaker 2>a parent she wanted to feel like a fully realized

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<v Speaker 2>version of herself. First, to reach certain milestones like finishing

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<v Speaker 2>medical school, having a career, feeling stable, and little by

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<v Speaker 2>little she got there. For now, she's enjoying her pregnancy

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<v Speaker 2>at home, taking time off from her gigwork as a driver.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the last moments with her pregnant belly, she's

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<v Speaker 2>soaking up the sunny South Carolina sky. But even though

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<v Speaker 2>she's living in the American South, Monica's pregnancy cravings have

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<v Speaker 2>leaned more towards her home country way south in South America.

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<v Speaker 2>Sonsano mango conzal, mango gonzal. I love that she's been

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<v Speaker 2>craving mango verde, a typical treat which is so yummy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unripe, green mangos with a little salt, maybe some lemon,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some chile if you're into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Algosi istibo, muikrioya.

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<v Speaker 2>Muikrioya, she says, meaning traditionally or classically Venezuelan. But the

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<v Speaker 2>mangos in South Carolina are never perfectly green. They're always

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<v Speaker 2>a little too ripe, the flesh is a little too yellow. Still,

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<v Speaker 2>she has learned to savor them regardless, like the Mangos.

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<v Speaker 2>Life in the US is very different, and there were

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<v Speaker 2>just some things she could have never expected from her

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<v Speaker 2>new life in South Carolina, like facing the US Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court to protect her baby's rights. I chatted with Monica

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<v Speaker 2>via zoom. She kept her camera off and I never

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<v Speaker 2>did get to see her face. In fact, Monica is

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<v Speaker 2>also not her real name. It's a pseudonym, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>not giving you any more details that could identify her

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<v Speaker 2>because she's decided to keep her identity a secret.

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<v Speaker 1>Amimiga barieo repeto.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, I'd love to be more public about.

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<v Speaker 1>This piro cia semiel aremta contramen river.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fear of what could happen to my baby

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<v Speaker 2>is just too much, and Monica has good reason to

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<v Speaker 2>be fearful. Donald Trump signed an executive order ending birthright

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<v Speaker 2>citizenship for children born in the US without at least

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<v Speaker 2>one parent being a citizen or legal permanent resident someone

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<v Speaker 2>with a green card. The case is now at the

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<v Speaker 2>U s. Supreme Court, with a decision expected any day now,

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<v Speaker 2>and if the Supreme Court sides with the Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 2>they would give him the power to end almost one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty years of precedent with a single signature,

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<v Speaker 2>it would end birthright citizenship for babies like Monica's. Scared

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<v Speaker 2>of what her temporary status could mean for her baby,

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<v Speaker 2>she decided to sue. Along with or other pregnant women

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<v Speaker 2>seeking refuge in the United States. Monigay is fighting against

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration for her baby's right to US citizenship.

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<v Speaker 1>Deepointly on saying, celerito, then I said the sales. You

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<v Speaker 1>are honored mebe hakio, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this makes me really emotional, she says. The

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<v Speaker 2>fact that your baby won't be a citizen of the

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<v Speaker 2>country where they're born. And here is what makes Monica's

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<v Speaker 2>situation truly alarming. She's a refugee of Venezuela, and in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, the Venezuelan embassy and consulate in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States permanently closed.

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<v Speaker 3>Venezuela's consulate is closed indefinitely after the government broke off

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<v Speaker 3>diplomatic relations with the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>So without birthright citizenship, Monica's baby could be born without

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<v Speaker 2>citizenship of any kind, not from the US, and without

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<v Speaker 2>an embassy here, not from Venezuela. Her baby, the baby

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<v Speaker 2>she and her husband waited so patiently to have would

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<v Speaker 2>be born stateless. So as her due date gets closer

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<v Speaker 2>and closer, along with the Supreme Court ruling that's pending,

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<v Speaker 2>Monica waits both excited to meet her little baby, but

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<v Speaker 2>also terribly anxious about the future. And Monica understands very

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<v Speaker 2>well to expect the unexpected, because of course, babies don't

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<v Speaker 2>follow strict rules. They come when they're ready. From Futro

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<v Speaker 2>Media and TRX Latino Usa, I'm Mariano Rosa Today the

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<v Speaker 2>border of citizenship makes it all the way into a

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<v Speaker 2>mother's womb. On May fifteenth, on the steps of the

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court, protesters gathered for hours.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're very glad to be out here further Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Courts and say here arguments.

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<v Speaker 2>The justices of the Supreme Court. We're hearing arguments on

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<v Speaker 2>whether the Court should lift a nationwide injunction that injunction

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<v Speaker 2>blocks the Trump Administration's executive order ending birthright citizenship.

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<v Speaker 4>We will hear argument this morning in case twenty four

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<v Speaker 4>eight eighty four Trump versus Cassa Incorporated.

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<v Speaker 2>And the inciting incident to all of this was set

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<v Speaker 2>in motion the first day of Donald Trump's second term.

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<v Speaker 2>This next order relates to the definition of birthright citizenship

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<v Speaker 2>under the fourteenth Amendment of the United States right. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a good one birthright. He signed an executive order ending

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<v Speaker 2>birthright citizenship for babies born in the United States if

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<v Speaker 2>their parents are in this country, either without documentation at

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<v Speaker 2>all or with some sort of temporary status like TPS.

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<v Speaker 2>But shortly after Donald Trump was sued and that executive

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<v Speaker 2>order was blocked.

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<v Speaker 3>A third federal judge has blocked President Trump's executive order

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<v Speaker 3>to limit birthright citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>Since Trump took office, more than three hundred lawsuits have

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<v Speaker 2>been filed to block many of his initiatives.

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<v Speaker 3>A federal judge blocked a sweeping executive order if that

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<v Speaker 3>sought to end programs that promote diversity.

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<v Speaker 2>Blocked the president's executive order that targeted.

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<v Speaker 3>A law firm, blocked a push by the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 3>for voters to show proof of citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's what was discussed at the Supreme Court hearing

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks ago. The legality of these nationwide

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<v Speaker 2>blocks done by district court judges, also called universal injunctions. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>several justices of the super majority Conservative Court, including Thomas Alito, Gorsuch,

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<v Speaker 2>and Kevanaugh, have questioned the legitimacy of these universal injunctions,

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<v Speaker 2>and although the Trump administration asked the justices to not

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<v Speaker 2>weigh in on the constitutionality of Trump's executive order, some

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<v Speaker 2>justices found it difficult to do that. Justice Sonya Sotomayor

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<v Speaker 2>was the first to raise the issue.

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<v Speaker 4>If we're afraid that this is or even have a

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<v Speaker 4>thought that this is unlawful executive action, that it is

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<v Speaker 4>Congress who decides citizenship, not the executive. If we believe

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<v Speaker 4>some of us were to believe that, why should we

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<v Speaker 4>permit those countless others to be subject to what we

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<v Speaker 4>think is an unlawful executive action?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, counsel. The case is submitted. By the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the two hour long hearing, it was not clear

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<v Speaker 2>where the Justice has landed, particularly on the merits, and

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<v Speaker 2>no decision is expected until later in June. But one

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<v Speaker 2>thing is clear. The human cost of the administration's proposal

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<v Speaker 2>is real. It would shift how the US Constitution has

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<v Speaker 2>long been understood.

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<v Speaker 3>What does it mean for an infant to be stateless?

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<v Speaker 3>That is a question that we as Americans should not

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<v Speaker 3>have to be asking.

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<v Speaker 2>There's more coming up on what's at stake with this

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<v Speaker 2>unprecedented constitutional challenge to birthright citizenship.

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<v Speaker 3>People need to understand the human states behind a Supreme

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<v Speaker 3>Court case that seems like it's just about procedure.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us, Yes, hey, we're back. Before the break.

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<v Speaker 2>We met Monica, a pregnant woman who is suing the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration and its executive order to end birthright citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to get back to her story and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to hear also from Andrea Flores, an attorney at

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<v Speaker 2>Forward dot US who's working with the plaintiffs.

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<v Speaker 3>So this lawsuit was brought by women who cannot go home,

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<v Speaker 3>and what would happen is if this injunction wasn't maintained

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<v Speaker 3>or they attempted to lift it, these women would have

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<v Speaker 3>stateless children.

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<v Speaker 2>The last time the US debated this was in the

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<v Speaker 2>wake of the Civil War, when the thirteenth, fourteenth, and

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<v Speaker 2>fifteenth Amendments literally reconstructed the nation, and part of that

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<v Speaker 2>reconstruction served a revolutionary purpose, granting formally enslaved and free

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<v Speaker 2>black residents equal citizenship under the law, a move that

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<v Speaker 2>challenged laws which had classified black people as not citizens

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<v Speaker 2>but as a separate class of persons.

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<v Speaker 3>It was necessary for the South to attempt to keep

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<v Speaker 3>the children of slaves stateless and to deny it an

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<v Speaker 3>access to citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>So, in order to protect the formerly enslaved, their children

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<v Speaker 2>and descendants, black people petitioned for their rights, and Congress

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<v Speaker 2>ratified the Civil Rights Act in eighteen sixty eight and

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<v Speaker 2>put the rule in the Constitution in the fourteenth Amendment,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that every one who was born in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>is therefore a citizen of the United States, and that

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<v Speaker 2>has been largely uncontested law until now.

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<v Speaker 3>That opens up a whole host of questions our nation

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<v Speaker 3>has not seen in modern times. You could be living

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<v Speaker 3>in a country and have the inability to prove your

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<v Speaker 3>identification to access any public services. You are essentially unseen

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<v Speaker 3>and completely in the shadows of the government, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>no way that they can access citizenship for them from

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<v Speaker 3>the countries that they're fleeing.

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<v Speaker 2>For parents like Monica, the option to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>Venezuela and give Venezuelan citizenship to her baby, that comes

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<v Speaker 2>with a great risk.

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<v Speaker 1>Singing Embargoselo Sulano, Venezuelana is Pliago.

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<v Speaker 2>And would you want your baby to You also have

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<v Speaker 2>Venezuelan citizenship.

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<v Speaker 1>Possible Venezuelana yalla mana que metok.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, she says, But she never thought she'd have

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<v Speaker 2>to leave the way she did, in a rush, scared

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<v Speaker 2>for her life, fleeing the country because of political persecution.

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<v Speaker 1>Geof TOOI and a complica Venezuelana.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's complicated. She loves her country and she wishes

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<v Speaker 2>she and her baby could share that, but she can't

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<v Speaker 2>go back, not even if she wanted to, not with

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<v Speaker 2>the current government in place.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, lamenta lamente.

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<v Speaker 2>Nana, and do you want your baby to have US citizenship?

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<v Speaker 2>She says. Look, it's not that I want US citizenship

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<v Speaker 2>for my baby. It's that the baby has constitutional rights possi.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what she expects from the country that offered her

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<v Speaker 2>a safe haven.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that there are a large number of Venezuelan

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<v Speaker 3>asylum seekers who cannot go home. The United States does

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<v Speaker 3>not have a Venezuelan embassy or consulate. It's punishing people

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<v Speaker 3>who are fleeing persecution. And we have to see all

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<v Speaker 3>the pieces together. And there is a target attack on

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<v Speaker 3>Venezuelan immigrants by this administration, and the Latino community broadly

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<v Speaker 3>needs to call out because all of our rights are

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<v Speaker 3>tied together.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved being pregnant. I loved it, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to be singing you your big smile, your big belly.

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<v Speaker 2>But you made a decision. You did not want us

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<v Speaker 2>to really know that much about you because you have

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<v Speaker 2>to protect your safety in the United States as a

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<v Speaker 2>new mom as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Embargo esper.

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<v Speaker 2>She says she hopes it's all worth it. Monica tells

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<v Speaker 2>me that it's because of the fact that she's fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for her baby's rights that she's staying in the shadows.

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<v Speaker 2>But she did say she would share one thing with us,

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<v Speaker 2>a picture of her belly sing Mothers love to show

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<v Speaker 2>off their bellies. I love that, Claris. Here in the States,

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<v Speaker 2>Monique and her husband have worked hard to do things

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote the right way. So in twenty nineteen, when

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<v Speaker 2>they fled Venezuela, she filed an asylum claim and applied

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<v Speaker 2>for TPS so she could legally work and eventually validate

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<v Speaker 2>her medical degree. Here.

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<v Speaker 3>Temporary protective status is a legal status.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Andrea Flores again, the lawyer from Forward dot US.

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<v Speaker 3>And Venezuelans in the United States, if they entered by

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<v Speaker 3>a certain date, have been eligible for TPS, as we

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<v Speaker 2>But TPS has also been under attack by the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>administration a hell lot of process. That's another set of

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<v Speaker 2>problems that has come with this pregnancy. Else And while

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<v Speaker 2>she understands that her status was always temporary, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>one more obstacle because Monicap and her husband's TPS is

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<v Speaker 2>set to officially expire in September. But for now, Monicap

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<v Speaker 2>still has some personal goals to fulfill, so when the

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<v Speaker 2>time is right, she hopes to stop working as a

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<v Speaker 2>driver and instead go back to being a medical doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>one who can perform surgery once again, where there's a

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<v Speaker 2>said listen to you forto surgery. Thankfully, she tells me

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<v Speaker 2>that her husband is able to cover the expenses at

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<v Speaker 2>home in South Carolina, so she can at least take

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<v Speaker 2>it easy in this last bit of her pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Lorile la Caza.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes she tells me, you just need to focus on

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<v Speaker 2>the good in order to get through the bad, even

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<v Speaker 2>when the bad is really really bad.

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<v Speaker 3>This administration is pursuing a very targeted attack on Venezuelan immigrants.

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<v Speaker 3>In particular, they are targeting the Venezuelan community and this

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<v Speaker 3>Supreme Court case does something similar.

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<v Speaker 2>GOSA, the name of the organization in the suit, along

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<v Speaker 2>with the Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project or ASAP, are the

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<v Speaker 2>two immigrant rights groups that are the legal force behind

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<v Speaker 2>Monica case. Between the two organizations, they have more than

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred thousand members across all fifty states.

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<v Speaker 3>Just for the plaintiffs in this case to come forward

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<v Speaker 3>and challenge the federal government. It's very brave of them

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<v Speaker 3>to do so because it's not just going to impact them,

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<v Speaker 3>which is why once again this should stay a nationwide injunction.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to impact thousands of women like them in

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<v Speaker 3>similar positions. So they're really being incredibly brave in this

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<v Speaker 3>moment and arguing for all of our fourteenth Amendment rights.

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<v Speaker 3>But you can see the climate that we're in is

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<v Speaker 3>a great deal a year for immigrants to come forward

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<v Speaker 3>and to be targeted.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Monica, you are pregnant. You are a refugee with

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<v Speaker 2>legal status in the United States, and when the organization

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<v Speaker 2>ASAP contacted its members about a potential lawsuit, you raised

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<v Speaker 2>your hand and you said that you would participate in

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<v Speaker 2>this lawsuit around birthright citizenship because you're pregnant and you're

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<v Speaker 2>about to deliver a child. What made you say I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going with the lawsuit. I want to be a part

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<v Speaker 2>of that lawsuit in the United States, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she tells me. When you're pregnant, it's you and your

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<v Speaker 2>baby against the world. Igue So Monica tells me she

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<v Speaker 2>sees this as an opportunity to help other mothers just

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<v Speaker 2>like her, with a huge sense of respect for the

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<v Speaker 2>nation where she's made her new home. She's also going

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<v Speaker 2>to fight for her child because if not her, then

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<v Speaker 2>who else.

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<v Speaker 4>I in And.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're pregnant, you have so many mixed feelings, like

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<v Speaker 2>one moment you love everything, the next you hate everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything makes you cry, or you can't stand the smell

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<v Speaker 2>of something. But still, Monica told me, she continues to

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<v Speaker 2>get strength from her baby.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's why it's brave and important and why people

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<v Speaker 3>need to understand the human states behind a spring court

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<v Speaker 3>case that seems like it's just about procedure.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the meantime, Monica waits enjoin Mango ver de

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<v Speaker 2>Gonzal or Green Mango with Salt as long as she

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<v Speaker 2>can stretch this season into the fall. But she's also

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<v Speaker 2>got three dates in mind. June, when the Supreme court

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<v Speaker 2>is expected to rule on the birthright citizenship case August,

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<v Speaker 2>when her baby is due, and September, when the temporary

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<v Speaker 2>status that she and her husband have is set to expire.

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<v Speaker 2>After speaking with Monicad for about an hour, I get

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<v Speaker 2>the sense that she's the type of person who stands

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<v Speaker 2>up for herself. She's thoughtful about what she does. She

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<v Speaker 2>takes deliberate steps to make her dreams come true, like

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a medical doctor in Venezuela. And now that Monica

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<v Speaker 2>is about to step into this new stage in her life,

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<v Speaker 2>she also has new dreams for her baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Told Richo.

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<v Speaker 5>Coveniente to have US citizenship, to be happy, safe and

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<v Speaker 5>to be out of the shadows, to not be scared.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at me, and I said, and livertail.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Monica tells me we live in a country where

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<v Speaker 2>we should have freedom. So I long for my baby

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<v Speaker 2>to have freedom. And then of course, she says, must

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<v Speaker 2>be Sanito has to be healthy too. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>produced by Monica Morales Garcia. It was edited by I

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<v Speaker 2>Are Managing Editor Fernanda Chiavari. It was mixed by Stephanie Lebau.

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<v Speaker 2>Fact checking for this episode by Roxana Aguire. The Latino USA.

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