WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:11.200 Friends, hello and welcome to Never Posts. 2 00:00:11.200 --> 00:00:16.475 Finally, it is spring twenty twenty six mailbag in which we 3 00:00:16.475 --> 00:00:19.035 respond to listener emails, comments, voicemails, voice 4 00:00:19.035 --> 00:00:23.755 messages about our segments. When you have thoughts, send 5 00:00:23.755 --> 00:00:26.155 them our way. They don't even really need to be about the 6 00:00:26.155 --> 00:00:28.955 show. Not sure what color to repaint your bedroom? 7 00:00:28.955 --> 00:00:34.000 Send those swatches over. We will weigh in. Got a kid on the 8 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.680 way and unsure what to name them. Jason has ideas. 9 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:40.560 And they're all German words. 10 00:00:41.120 --> 00:00:43.600 But not the ones you think. 11 00:00:44.480 --> 00:00:49.155 New exciting German words. Volkswagen. For 12 00:00:49.155 --> 00:00:50.515 your baby today. 13 00:00:51.715 --> 00:00:53.395 Hey, gang. It's finally spring, and it's 14 00:00:53.395 --> 00:00:54.755 snowing outside of my window. 15 00:00:54.755 --> 00:00:58.435 I was gonna say it is, for sure undeniably 35 16 00:00:58.435 --> 00:00:58.835 degrees 17 00:00:58.835 --> 00:01:02.310 right now. Will we ever see the end of winter? 18 00:01:02.310 --> 00:01:02.950 I think this 19 00:01:02.950 --> 00:01:05.270 year, no. I think they're doing it differently. 20 00:01:05.590 --> 00:01:08.550 We're gonna skip straight to a 100 degrees and 21 00:01:08.550 --> 00:01:12.790 99%. Yes. Yes. Yes. And it will have been because of them. 22 00:01:12.790 --> 00:01:14.845 Yeah. Welcome to our Los Angeles listeners. 23 00:01:14.845 --> 00:01:16.605 Currently at 95 plus degrees. 24 00:01:16.605 --> 00:01:18.045 Oh my god. Yes. 25 00:01:18.125 --> 00:01:20.445 I'm your host, Mike Rugnetta. Joining me today 26 00:01:20.445 --> 00:01:27.725 in order of tales Georgia first heads Jason first. Woah. Oh. 27 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:29.880 Never Post producer Georgia Hampton. 28 00:01:29.880 --> 00:01:32.920 Bullshit. Yes. Yes. 29 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:34.680 The unluckiest man alive. 30 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:35.720 Eat my dust. 31 00:01:35.720 --> 00:01:36.360 Okay. 32 00:01:38.520 --> 00:01:40.840 And Never Post executive producer Jason 33 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:41.400 Oberholzer. 34 00:01:41.535 --> 00:01:43.935 Well, nothing's going my way this 35 00:01:43.935 --> 00:01:44.895 year, is it? 36 00:01:46.655 --> 00:01:50.175 Hans will not be joining us today because he has 37 00:01:50.335 --> 00:01:54.495 literally been sent to The Hague. A sentence I could 38 00:01:54.495 --> 00:01:55.775 explain, but I will not. 39 00:01:56.450 --> 00:01:58.450 No questions. No. 40 00:01:58.450 --> 00:02:00.050 Nothing. He knows what he's done. 41 00:02:00.050 --> 00:02:02.290 But we don't need him anyway, because we have 42 00:02:02.290 --> 00:02:02.850 you 43 00:02:02.690 --> 00:02:05.570 That's not true. We obviously We've been we've 44 00:02:05.570 --> 00:02:07.730 been recording for two minutes and thirty seconds, and it's 45 00:02:07.730 --> 00:02:09.010 obvious that we need us. 46 00:02:09.655 --> 00:02:11.815 Anyone who's seen any of the livestreams we 47 00:02:11.815 --> 00:02:14.135 have tried to accomplish while Hans has been gone knows we 48 00:02:14.135 --> 00:02:15.335 desperately need him. 49 00:02:16.615 --> 00:02:17.015 God. 50 00:02:17.015 --> 00:02:18.935 Yeah. Me and Jason together 51 00:02:19.175 --> 00:02:20.055 Oh my lord. 52 00:02:20.055 --> 00:02:21.415 Trying to stream video games. 53 00:02:21.670 --> 00:02:25.750 It's not our fault. We're We're children who 54 00:02:25.750 --> 00:02:26.390 can't do technology. 55 00:02:26.390 --> 00:02:28.710 We're just two infants 56 00:02:28.870 --> 00:02:29.110 Yeah. 57 00:02:29.190 --> 00:02:31.350 Using a computer for the first time. 58 00:02:31.670 --> 00:02:34.870 Oh, but it's so cute. Alright. Let's see what 59 00:02:34.870 --> 00:02:36.550 people had to say about some of the stuff we did. 60 00:02:37.975 --> 00:02:40.535 So we got a very interesting message from 61 00:02:40.535 --> 00:02:48.295 Elise who called in to weigh in about my archive episode, which 62 00:02:48.295 --> 00:02:51.370 was actually my first segment I ever did, about the 63 00:02:51.370 --> 00:02:54.650 disappearance of tween fashion and how the algorithmic Internet 64 00:02:54.650 --> 00:02:56.890 is partially to blame. 65 00:02:56.890 --> 00:03:01.530 In thinking about the way that tweens dress now, it 66 00:03:01.530 --> 00:03:05.915 definitely is interesting. I'm currently 29, so I'm definitely 67 00:03:05.915 --> 00:03:10.475 someone who shopped a lot at stores, like, limited to when I 68 00:03:10.475 --> 00:03:14.475 was younger. A thought that I've had, and I feel like friends of 69 00:03:14.475 --> 00:03:18.395 similar ages have talked about and it's pretty popular online 70 00:03:18.395 --> 00:03:21.140 that people are always discussing. It's just this 71 00:03:21.140 --> 00:03:25.060 concept of looking at middle schoolers or early high 72 00:03:25.060 --> 00:03:29.540 schoolers or just really any tweens and teens and being like, 73 00:03:29.540 --> 00:03:32.340 wow. They look like adults. 74 00:03:32.340 --> 00:03:36.180 And I think it makes sense within the clothing aspects that 75 00:03:36.515 --> 00:03:40.195 you were talking about on this segment. But, also, the way that 76 00:03:40.195 --> 00:03:43.715 makeup trends have changed is really interesting to me. 77 00:03:43.795 --> 00:03:47.795 Because when I was in middle school, everyone was, you know, 78 00:03:47.795 --> 00:03:52.530 getting into makeup for the first time, And there were a 79 00:03:52.530 --> 00:03:56.610 number of people who were just smearing on crazy eyeliner or 80 00:03:56.610 --> 00:04:00.450 putting on way too much blush. And it felt like this rite of 81 00:04:00.450 --> 00:04:05.205 passage where both in clothing and maybe also in makeup, kids 82 00:04:05.205 --> 00:04:08.485 kind of like, we just looked like shit. And we look back at 83 00:04:08.485 --> 00:04:09.845 pictures, and we're like, damn. 84 00:04:09.845 --> 00:04:14.725 I look like an awkward, weird little middle schooler. And it's 85 00:04:14.725 --> 00:04:18.245 really crazy that it's different now. And they look like many 86 00:04:18.245 --> 00:04:22.060 adults, and I feel like a lot of that has to do with makeup 87 00:04:22.060 --> 00:04:27.500 trends, which I'm sure is also related to the rise of TikTok 88 00:04:27.500 --> 00:04:30.300 and YouTube tutorials and different things like that. 89 00:04:30.460 --> 00:04:34.175 This is a great excuse to talk about my favorite 90 00:04:34.175 --> 00:04:35.375 makeup memory 91 00:04:35.695 --> 00:04:36.975 Oh, okay. 92 00:04:37.055 --> 00:04:39.935 Which is one of the first pieces of makeup that 93 00:04:39.935 --> 00:04:45.535 I had was a single eye shadow from Revlon in, like, powder 94 00:04:45.535 --> 00:04:52.360 blue, like, baby baby blue. And I remember going to school with 95 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:54.920 it just slathered 96 00:04:55.160 --> 00:04:55.480 Yes. 97 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:56.840 Over my eyelids. 98 00:04:56.840 --> 00:04:57.160 Yes. 99 00:04:57.160 --> 00:04:59.720 Dusty eyelashes. I was not wearing 100 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:04.315 mascara. I hadn't gotten there yet. And I remember being at gym 101 00:05:04.315 --> 00:05:08.875 class, which for some reason was the first class that year with 102 00:05:08.875 --> 00:05:13.115 just, like, a metric ton of baby blue eyeshadow on my eyelids, 103 00:05:13.355 --> 00:05:17.260 feeling very vividly the transition from, like, I am the 104 00:05:17.260 --> 00:05:21.020 most beautiful woman in the world to being, like 105 00:05:21.260 --> 00:05:21.980 Oh, no. 106 00:05:21.900 --> 00:05:26.940 Somehow, this is I've made a terrible mistake. Jim Jim 107 00:05:26.940 --> 00:05:28.620 first period, like, 108 00:05:28.620 --> 00:05:31.180 middle school is the coolest shit in the world. 109 00:05:31.180 --> 00:05:33.955 Evil evil behavior. And that is 110 00:05:34.035 --> 00:05:36.275 I had to do that every, like, a a couple years 111 00:05:36.275 --> 00:05:39.875 and, like, whole there is no quicker way to be like, oh, I I 112 00:05:40.115 --> 00:05:42.115 have no idea what I'm doing just as a human. 113 00:05:42.115 --> 00:05:44.595 Oh, yeah. Do I hate myself? 114 00:05:44.675 --> 00:05:47.230 Because you lack, like, both the old man 115 00:05:47.230 --> 00:05:51.870 wisdom and audacity to show up to school in gym clothes with 116 00:05:51.870 --> 00:05:54.830 your regular clothes in your bag, and then just take a full 117 00:05:54.830 --> 00:05:56.830 fucking shower after gym class. 118 00:05:56.990 --> 00:06:01.055 Oh, wet hair all day? Hello? Hello? Wet hair 119 00:06:01.055 --> 00:06:06.415 all day during my Spanish exam? Anyway Anyway. 120 00:06:06.255 --> 00:06:11.775 This is such a great point because I completely agree. I 121 00:06:11.775 --> 00:06:14.740 mean, when I was first researching this, those 122 00:06:14.740 --> 00:06:18.020 conversations about, like, the tweens at Sephora buying drunk 123 00:06:18.020 --> 00:06:22.020 elephant and doing, like, 12 step skincare routines on, like, 124 00:06:22.020 --> 00:06:25.700 prepubescent skin and using retinol and, like, all of these 125 00:06:25.700 --> 00:06:28.665 products that are really not meant for them at all. I do 126 00:06:28.665 --> 00:06:32.745 agree that I think there's this odd, like, jump to a 127 00:06:32.745 --> 00:06:36.905 presentation of adulthood that is much more smoothed out. And I 128 00:06:36.905 --> 00:06:41.550 think access to makeup tutorials, the social Internet 129 00:06:41.550 --> 00:06:47.630 writ large, influencers, any kind of online video content, 130 00:06:47.630 --> 00:06:50.590 written content, any content that is showing you how to 131 00:06:50.590 --> 00:06:54.455 properly do, like, a cut crease or, like, baking your face or 132 00:06:54.455 --> 00:07:00.295 doing, like, certain kinds of eye makeup looks, it it's just 133 00:07:00.295 --> 00:07:03.575 so much more accessible, which doesn't necessarily have to be 134 00:07:03.575 --> 00:07:06.855 bad, but I do agree that I think there is a sort of beautiful 135 00:07:06.855 --> 00:07:11.190 rite of passage component to being a tween and looking like 136 00:07:11.350 --> 00:07:12.070 shit. 137 00:07:12.630 --> 00:07:15.670 Looking like an awkward weird gremlin for a Yes. 138 00:07:15.190 --> 00:07:21.475 Couple of Mhmm. This makes me think of like, is the awkward 139 00:07:21.475 --> 00:07:26.115 phase of being a tween and the fashion associated with it sort 140 00:07:26.115 --> 00:07:30.035 of being treated in a way like boredom? Where it's like, it is 141 00:07:30.035 --> 00:07:30.755 something that 142 00:07:30.995 --> 00:07:31.235 Mhmm. 143 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:34.000 In the on the individual level, you're like, 144 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.880 oh, this is unpleasant to experience, but what's really 145 00:07:36.880 --> 00:07:40.080 important is the stuff that you get out of that unpleasant 146 00:07:40.080 --> 00:07:43.760 experience. Yes. And so we've sort of, like, massaged away 147 00:07:43.760 --> 00:07:47.315 boredom with devices, and we massage away this kind of, like, 148 00:07:47.315 --> 00:07:50.835 awkward period of dressing and figuring out who you are and 149 00:07:50.835 --> 00:07:53.955 applying makeup and getting haircuts and whatever just like 150 00:07:53.955 --> 00:07:59.955 through content. And, you know, you I mean, may maybe it's maybe 151 00:07:59.955 --> 00:08:02.595 I'm just old man yells at cloud, and what happens now is, like, 152 00:08:02.730 --> 00:08:04.970 the awkward period disappears because you can just figure out 153 00:08:04.970 --> 00:08:07.930 who you are faster because there's more options and there's 154 00:08:07.930 --> 00:08:11.850 you you're exposed to more and more quickly, and so you don't 155 00:08:11.850 --> 00:08:13.930 have to stumble through it. You can just point at something and 156 00:08:13.930 --> 00:08:14.730 be like, I'm Matt. 157 00:08:14.730 --> 00:08:16.330 That's me. I'm gonna do that one. 158 00:08:16.330 --> 00:08:18.330 Or does the awkward period just happen 159 00:08:18.625 --> 00:08:22.385 constantly and more publicly, you just look better while it's 160 00:08:22.385 --> 00:08:23.025 happening? 161 00:08:23.505 --> 00:08:24.465 Okay. Fair. 162 00:08:24.465 --> 00:08:26.225 I mean, that is kind of the thing. I think 163 00:08:26.225 --> 00:08:29.265 because also so much is documented online and there is 164 00:08:29.265 --> 00:08:33.400 so much incentive to document online, And you're as as a young 165 00:08:33.400 --> 00:08:37.080 person, I feel like significantly more susceptible 166 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.160 to being like, oh, well, I should be posting online. Like, 167 00:08:39.160 --> 00:08:41.800 all my friends are online, and I should be participating in this 168 00:08:41.800 --> 00:08:45.155 experience together, which I think is also very normal. I 169 00:08:45.155 --> 00:08:47.635 think there's a version of this that happens to everybody when 170 00:08:47.635 --> 00:08:52.995 they go through this age group. There is such a a I mean, 171 00:08:52.995 --> 00:08:56.595 discomfort an important discomfort in being seen, 172 00:08:57.860 --> 00:09:01.060 stumbling through, and trying and failing to figure something 173 00:09:01.060 --> 00:09:01.540 out. 174 00:09:02.020 --> 00:09:08.020 And everything is so documented and available to not just your 175 00:09:08.020 --> 00:09:13.135 friends, but anyone that that kind of experience becomes a 176 00:09:13.135 --> 00:09:18.255 performance, which then turns it into something that is more 177 00:09:18.255 --> 00:09:20.415 polished, at least, on the outset. 178 00:09:20.575 --> 00:09:23.710 Yeah. Mhmm. Wear your gym clothes first period if 179 00:09:23.710 --> 00:09:26.670 you have gym class first period. Just wear them to school. Yeah. 180 00:09:26.670 --> 00:09:30.830 And might I suggest Revlon's single 181 00:09:30.830 --> 00:09:35.870 eyeshadow palette. Baby powder blue. It's it's coming back. 182 00:09:35.870 --> 00:09:37.465 It's coming back. It stings the 183 00:09:37.465 --> 00:09:38.825 eyes when you sweat. 184 00:09:38.905 --> 00:09:40.985 God, it really that was yeah. That was that was 185 00:09:40.985 --> 00:09:44.345 the big problem there. Georgia, 186 00:09:44.905 --> 00:09:46.505 where is the Internet? 187 00:09:46.745 --> 00:09:49.945 Well, Jason, the true Internet is in your 188 00:09:49.945 --> 00:09:50.185 heart. 189 00:09:50.590 --> 00:09:52.350 No. Get it out. Get it out. 190 00:09:53.230 --> 00:09:56.990 But to answer that question more fully, we 191 00:09:56.990 --> 00:10:01.310 must turn to yet another message from a beloved listener. This 192 00:10:01.310 --> 00:10:05.495 time from Julia, who has written in on, you guessed it, my 193 00:10:05.495 --> 00:10:09.655 segment about where exactly is the Internet and what kind of 194 00:10:09.655 --> 00:10:13.975 place is it. Julia writes, I think a strong contender for the 195 00:10:13.975 --> 00:10:17.780 inheritor to the throne of the computer room is the bed. With 196 00:10:17.780 --> 00:10:21.300 phones being untethered from the cables of the desktop, I have 197 00:10:21.300 --> 00:10:24.980 gravitated to my bed when crossing the threshold into the 198 00:10:24.980 --> 00:10:28.580 online what? Unseelie? 199 00:10:28.580 --> 00:10:29.300 What is that? 200 00:10:29.300 --> 00:10:29.860 I don't know. 201 00:10:29.860 --> 00:10:32.475 I mean, look them. Silly? It's kind of Okay. 202 00:10:32.475 --> 00:10:32.955 Sorry. 203 00:10:33.195 --> 00:10:35.035 That looks purposeful, doesn't it? Right? 204 00:10:35.035 --> 00:10:35.915 I think so. 205 00:10:36.075 --> 00:10:37.675 Yeah. Unsealy court 206 00:10:38.075 --> 00:10:39.035 this word ever. 207 00:10:39.035 --> 00:10:41.195 The dark, malevolent, and often aggressive 208 00:10:41.195 --> 00:10:44.315 faction of fairies in Scottish folklore and fantasy. 209 00:10:45.750 --> 00:10:48.630 Let's go. I'll take that sentence again. Woah. 210 00:10:48.630 --> 00:10:51.830 With phones being untethered from the cables of the desktop, 211 00:10:51.830 --> 00:10:55.110 I've gravitated to my bed when crossing the threshold into the 212 00:10:55.110 --> 00:10:59.030 online unsealy. And I see a lot of people posting that they have 213 00:10:59.030 --> 00:10:59.270 too. 214 00:10:59.915 --> 00:11:03.195 I think this in part comes from people's living situations. 215 00:11:03.595 --> 00:11:06.715 Since we're seeing a shift toward people renting individual 216 00:11:06.715 --> 00:11:09.835 rooms in flats, or as you Americans would put it, 217 00:11:09.835 --> 00:11:14.010 apartments, thank you, The computer room has been dissolved 218 00:11:14.010 --> 00:11:18.010 into storage, or even worse, a bedroom charging two times the 219 00:11:18.010 --> 00:11:21.770 average income. And the bedroom has become one of the few spaces 220 00:11:21.770 --> 00:11:25.715 we feel are actually our own. I think this has significant 221 00:11:25.715 --> 00:11:29.155 implications for both your discussions of third spaces and 222 00:11:29.155 --> 00:11:33.795 people's behavior being unusual online. I have had very few 223 00:11:33.795 --> 00:11:37.315 interactions with anyone in my bed other than sexual partners, 224 00:11:37.315 --> 00:11:38.035 or I guess my cat. 225 00:11:38.500 --> 00:11:41.540 So now a significant amount of social life is occurring from a 226 00:11:41.540 --> 00:11:45.380 space which has had no history of socializing other than the 227 00:11:45.380 --> 00:11:48.820 intensely intimate. Additionally, beds are very 228 00:11:48.820 --> 00:11:52.235 comfortable. If we spend our time in algorithmic feeds and 229 00:11:52.235 --> 00:11:55.275 constant simulation while wrapped up in a literal comfort 230 00:11:55.275 --> 00:11:58.795 blanket, do we further the current moment's fear of boredom 231 00:11:58.795 --> 00:12:02.475 and discomfort? In this situation, we are at our most 232 00:12:02.475 --> 00:12:06.260 physically comfortable and completely alone. Is it any 233 00:12:06.260 --> 00:12:10.420 wonder that we are so sensitive, erratic, and unadventurous? 234 00:12:11.700 --> 00:12:12.580 Julia. 235 00:12:13.060 --> 00:12:15.460 I think Julia is just right. 236 00:12:15.700 --> 00:12:18.580 Yeah. I think this is an amazing observation. 237 00:12:18.580 --> 00:12:21.355 I think this is ugh. I think when we log on, 238 00:12:21.355 --> 00:12:25.915 maybe, like, a hair shirt and nail chair. 239 00:12:29.595 --> 00:12:35.000 Jared Oppenheim. We are in a position 240 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:38.920 now more than ever of of creature comforts, both in 241 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.480 sensation, physical sensation of being in a bed, being in 242 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:48.285 sweatpants, being in your own space that has all the things 243 00:12:48.285 --> 00:12:51.325 you like in it, and then using your phone to be in a space that 244 00:12:51.325 --> 00:12:55.725 has all the things you like in it. And, absolutely, I think 245 00:12:55.725 --> 00:13:00.650 there is a direct correlation between that state of being, And 246 00:13:01.290 --> 00:13:06.250 I I don't know if it's even a conscious feeling, but, like, a 247 00:13:06.250 --> 00:13:10.970 a lack of desire to do anything about it because there is the 248 00:13:10.970 --> 00:13:13.770 risk of boredom, of uncertainty of, like, well, now what do I do 249 00:13:13.770 --> 00:13:18.175 I with my time? What do I how do I interact with the space? Like, 250 00:13:18.175 --> 00:13:20.735 why worry about that when you can just go back on your phone? 251 00:13:20.735 --> 00:13:21.615 Yeah. Everything's just a little 252 00:13:21.615 --> 00:13:24.895 harder. Everything's just Yeah. And and, like, I'm more unsure, 253 00:13:24.895 --> 00:13:25.455 you know? 254 00:13:25.455 --> 00:13:28.415 And you're even less incentivized to be in a 255 00:13:28.415 --> 00:13:28.895 state like that. 256 00:13:29.370 --> 00:13:31.290 Yeah. I think it's such a great metaphor. 257 00:13:31.290 --> 00:13:34.650 Like, the few open up your phone in any particular location. 258 00:13:34.650 --> 00:13:37.450 Right? In one place, in one way, what you said is absolutely 259 00:13:37.450 --> 00:13:40.730 true, Georgia, in the segment, like, you open up the phone and 260 00:13:40.730 --> 00:13:45.135 you automatically, instantly, kind of, like, transport to 261 00:13:45.135 --> 00:13:49.695 another room that is either on top of or below whatever room 262 00:13:49.695 --> 00:13:50.735 you're currently in. 263 00:13:50.895 --> 00:13:52.335 Inside, within, and without. 264 00:13:52.335 --> 00:13:54.655 Yeah. Whether it's, like, the train or the 265 00:13:54.655 --> 00:13:58.095 coffee shop or the office or whatever. You know, you it's a 266 00:13:58.095 --> 00:14:01.750 portal into this other space where you keep all the things 267 00:14:01.750 --> 00:14:04.310 that you like. Mhmm. And how interesting to think of that as 268 00:14:04.310 --> 00:14:07.430 like, you know, which one is a metaphor for which? 269 00:14:07.430 --> 00:14:10.230 Like, is the bedroom the metaphor for that weird 270 00:14:10.230 --> 00:14:13.350 psychogeographic space? Or is that space a metaphor for the 271 00:14:13.350 --> 00:14:17.295 bedroom? But it makes it at least feels really right to me. 272 00:14:17.615 --> 00:14:18.975 There's another email that came in that 273 00:14:18.975 --> 00:14:22.015 I think actually puts an interesting spin on this. This 274 00:14:22.015 --> 00:14:25.295 came from Ari. Ari says, this episode really made me think 275 00:14:25.295 --> 00:14:28.740 about my relationship with the Internet and work. From 2020 to 276 00:14:28.740 --> 00:14:32.100 2022, work and home were the same place for me and the 277 00:14:32.100 --> 00:14:34.980 combination of those spaces eventually started to drive me 278 00:14:34.980 --> 00:14:38.820 mad. I wanted work to be a place I go to, spend time in, and 279 00:14:38.820 --> 00:14:39.380 leave. 280 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:42.585 Now, being back in the office full time, I appreciate the 281 00:14:42.585 --> 00:14:46.265 space between my worlds. Still, I spend a lot of time online as 282 00:14:46.265 --> 00:14:50.105 I work. But for some reason, my time on the Internet at work 283 00:14:50.105 --> 00:14:53.305 feels different. When you describe the Internet as a 284 00:14:53.305 --> 00:14:56.340 place, I realized my work Internet is separate from my 285 00:14:56.340 --> 00:14:57.220 home Internet. 286 00:14:57.220 --> 00:14:58.900 Big screen, big screen, small screen, 287 00:14:58.900 --> 00:15:02.020 big screen, small screen. Back here again. But so, 288 00:15:02.020 --> 00:15:04.020 like, that's also true. Right? We have this 289 00:15:04.020 --> 00:15:06.740 superstructure of emerging to the Internet room when we're on 290 00:15:06.740 --> 00:15:10.395 the train or we're in our bed or we're wherever. But I think the 291 00:15:10.395 --> 00:15:13.835 most discreet difference is work Internet is a different 292 00:15:13.835 --> 00:15:15.755 Internet. And I don't think it's just because there's, like, 293 00:15:15.755 --> 00:15:17.675 certain sites you're not allowed to go to. 294 00:15:17.835 --> 00:15:20.715 It just, like, feels different. It's work Internet. 295 00:15:20.795 --> 00:15:23.140 And I do think it matters where you are going 296 00:15:23.140 --> 00:15:26.020 to the Internet in the sense of on your phone, on your tablet, 297 00:15:26.020 --> 00:15:29.140 on your computer, on a desktop. How visible is your screen to 298 00:15:29.140 --> 00:15:32.100 other people? How big is your screen? 299 00:15:32.100 --> 00:15:33.700 That's exactly what I was gonna say. Like, how 300 00:15:33.700 --> 00:15:36.100 much of work Internet feeling different is, like, people can 301 00:15:36.100 --> 00:15:37.380 see what I'm doing. Yes. 302 00:15:38.045 --> 00:15:39.885 I have always thought of that it is completely 303 00:15:39.885 --> 00:15:45.565 destabilizing that I would feasibly break up with my 304 00:15:45.565 --> 00:15:49.805 girlfriend and have an important meeting with my boss in the 305 00:15:49.805 --> 00:15:53.245 exact same location staring at the exact same device, mere 306 00:15:53.245 --> 00:15:57.540 moments from each other, and have to exist as a cohesive 307 00:15:57.540 --> 00:15:58.340 human. 308 00:16:01.220 --> 00:16:01.860 Damn. 309 00:16:01.940 --> 00:16:04.180 There's one final email that came in about 310 00:16:04.180 --> 00:16:08.635 Internet places that I don't get because I have not seen any of 311 00:16:08.635 --> 00:16:11.755 this media, and I just want Georgia for you to tell me if 312 00:16:11.755 --> 00:16:12.795 this makes any sense. 313 00:16:13.195 --> 00:16:16.475 No. Okay. I'll read it because this makes this 314 00:16:16.475 --> 00:16:17.275 makes sense to me. 315 00:16:17.275 --> 00:16:18.555 Thank you, Mike. 316 00:16:18.555 --> 00:16:20.075 Who who knows this media? 317 00:16:20.075 --> 00:16:23.230 Oh. Okay. So Denise sent an email in, and 318 00:16:23.230 --> 00:16:25.870 Denise said, I had to pause George's piece on what kind of 319 00:16:25.870 --> 00:16:30.270 place is the Internet to make this meme my first one. I'm old. 320 00:16:30.270 --> 00:16:31.470 Probably did it wrong. 321 00:16:31.470 --> 00:16:33.710 I'm from Minnesota. You kids are great. 322 00:16:33.710 --> 00:16:34.990 I'm rooting for you, Denise. First of 323 00:16:34.990 --> 00:16:38.135 all, huge compliment. I like I like how 324 00:16:38.775 --> 00:16:41.575 Denise being worried that she probably did this wrong seems 325 00:16:41.575 --> 00:16:47.255 somehow connected to us being great. Oh. The the movie 326 00:16:47.255 --> 00:16:51.415 Surrogates 2009 always comes to mind when I feel the wake up 327 00:16:51.415 --> 00:16:55.390 detachment of looking up from my phone, especially the scene 328 00:16:55.390 --> 00:16:58.910 where a disheveled Rosamund Pike staggers out of, quote, the 329 00:16:58.910 --> 00:17:02.510 computer room where she's been linked to her robot surrogate 330 00:17:02.510 --> 00:17:06.175 that has been out in the world being beautiful and amazing. So 331 00:17:06.175 --> 00:17:09.455 the surrogates is a movie that if I remember correctly, Roseman 332 00:17:09.455 --> 00:17:11.535 Pike and Bruce Willis. 333 00:17:11.775 --> 00:17:12.335 Okay. 334 00:17:12.335 --> 00:17:14.495 It's based on a comic book. It is a very poor 335 00:17:14.495 --> 00:17:18.015 adaptation of what I remember being a very, very good comic 336 00:17:18.015 --> 00:17:18.335 book. 337 00:17:18.335 --> 00:17:18.655 Okay. 338 00:17:18.655 --> 00:17:21.135 And basically, this last sentence that Denise 339 00:17:21.135 --> 00:17:26.120 writes is effectively the premise of the movie, that there 340 00:17:26.120 --> 00:17:28.760 is a murder mystery. I think it's a murder mystery. It's been 341 00:17:28.760 --> 00:17:34.755 a long time. But you can, as a person, have a surrogate. You 342 00:17:34.755 --> 00:17:38.195 can sit strapped into a piece of technology in your room 343 00:17:38.195 --> 00:17:41.875 completely still, kind of like WALL E style Mhmm. 344 00:17:41.955 --> 00:17:46.675 And have this perfected robotic version of yourself walking 345 00:17:46.675 --> 00:17:51.450 around out in the world. And so the two pictures that Denise has 346 00:17:51.450 --> 00:17:56.010 sent is Rosamund Pike's surrogate, who's beautiful, has 347 00:17:56.010 --> 00:18:00.490 perfect skin, flowing blonde, like, you know, nineteen 348 00:18:00.490 --> 00:18:05.465 seventies pinup Yeah. Model So it says me when I'm online on 349 00:18:05.465 --> 00:18:08.825 the first picture, and then me when I turn off my phone and try 350 00:18:08.825 --> 00:18:11.065 and get something real accomplished. And it's Roseman 351 00:18:11.065 --> 00:18:16.025 Pike like, her skin's already blotchy. Yeah. 352 00:18:16.025 --> 00:18:21.600 Her hair is, like, all dirty. She looks very unhappy. Yeah. 353 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.640 One assumes that this is the real person who 354 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.240 has just left the computer room. 355 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:28.720 Yes. I like, the way that I describe this is 356 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:33.325 often it's like scrolling hangover or, like, screen 357 00:18:33.325 --> 00:18:34.045 hangover. 358 00:18:34.045 --> 00:18:34.445 Oh, yeah. 359 00:18:34.445 --> 00:18:36.285 And it's like, there's a moment where I, like, 360 00:18:37.005 --> 00:18:41.965 you know, when it happens, I kinda come to and I'm like, I 361 00:18:41.965 --> 00:18:47.190 need a glass of water. Literally. I have to go to like, 362 00:18:47.190 --> 00:18:52.390 I both I'm, like, embarrassed, and my throat is dry, and my 363 00:18:52.390 --> 00:18:55.430 skin is itchy, and I need to go take a shower. And 364 00:18:55.830 --> 00:18:59.590 Oh, completely. I feel for, I don't know, maybe, 365 00:18:59.590 --> 00:19:03.505 like, ten to fifteen seconds after I emerge out of the 366 00:19:03.505 --> 00:19:06.705 scroll, kind of like the mental equivalent of coming off the 367 00:19:06.705 --> 00:19:11.185 tilt a whirl, where at first you're like, like, getting your 368 00:19:11.185 --> 00:19:15.110 sea legs back and being like, where am I? And what are my 369 00:19:15.110 --> 00:19:17.030 values? Yeah. 370 00:19:17.030 --> 00:19:19.350 Guys, I gotta update you. Since I deleted 371 00:19:19.350 --> 00:19:22.870 TikTok at the beginning of the year, I scroll so much less. 372 00:19:23.190 --> 00:19:27.155 Like, I try to scroll on Reels and it, like, barely holds the 373 00:19:27.155 --> 00:19:30.595 attention. It's so deeply bad. It's such a watered down drug. 374 00:19:30.915 --> 00:19:33.955 Like, I'm really, like, getting off. This is, my Narcan or 375 00:19:33.955 --> 00:19:37.715 something. Yeah. It's my update. That's a good update. 376 00:19:37.715 --> 00:19:39.635 Wow, Jason. Your hair looks beautiful. 377 00:19:41.710 --> 00:19:44.510 Thank you. Anyway, congratulations, Denise. 378 00:19:44.510 --> 00:19:46.990 You did it. You made a meme. It made sense. 379 00:19:47.070 --> 00:19:47.310 Yeah. 380 00:19:47.310 --> 00:19:47.710 Was great. 381 00:19:47.710 --> 00:19:49.470 Thank you. Denise, good meme. Nailed it. 382 00:19:50.430 --> 00:19:54.685 Next up, we have a voicemail that was sent in by Penelli on 383 00:19:54.685 --> 00:19:58.445 Hans' segment about Minneapolis and clicktatorship that I'm 384 00:19:58.445 --> 00:20:02.365 gonna respond to because I think it's something that I have a lot 385 00:20:02.365 --> 00:20:04.285 of thoughts about, something I think about pretty frequently. 386 00:20:04.685 --> 00:20:09.240 The thing about the clicktatorship and how power is 387 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:13.800 content, policy making is content now, and the the right 388 00:20:13.800 --> 00:20:19.400 the right wing media ecosphere. So I teach civics. I'm a high 389 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:25.735 school government and economics teacher, and I am required by my 390 00:20:25.735 --> 00:20:28.695 job description of the fact that I teach AP gov, which, you know, 391 00:20:28.695 --> 00:20:34.055 by college board through to be, quote, politically neutral as a 392 00:20:34.055 --> 00:20:40.520 teacher. I'm also required to teach media literacy. What is 393 00:20:40.520 --> 00:20:43.720 media literacy in 2026? 394 00:20:44.520 --> 00:20:47.720 Okay. So as of the twenty sixteen election, everybody was 395 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.805 like, oh, we gotta teach people how to distinguish fake news, 396 00:20:51.805 --> 00:20:57.005 and we gotta teach people to slow down and not trust 397 00:20:57.005 --> 00:21:00.525 everything that comes across their social media scroll. But, 398 00:21:00.525 --> 00:21:04.560 like, all of the lessons that people have come up with and the 399 00:21:04.560 --> 00:21:07.440 ideas of, like, what media literacy means with social media 400 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.240 age are inadequate to handle this. I mean, they just they 401 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:17.120 don't. And I don't even know, like, how to begin approaching 402 00:21:17.120 --> 00:21:20.955 this in this era as a teacher? 403 00:21:21.995 --> 00:21:23.755 Penalty, I do not envy you. 404 00:21:23.835 --> 00:21:24.955 Oh, no. 405 00:21:25.115 --> 00:21:27.035 God. Oh, boy. I'm just 406 00:21:27.035 --> 00:21:29.115 sitting here hoping that another sentence 407 00:21:29.115 --> 00:21:31.755 arrives in this message and nope. That's the end of it. 408 00:21:31.755 --> 00:21:32.235 Nope. That's 409 00:21:32.235 --> 00:21:36.120 it. It's like and that's why we Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 410 00:21:36.120 --> 00:21:36.840 I know. 411 00:21:36.840 --> 00:21:40.760 God. I think about this all the time, and I don't I'd like I 412 00:21:40.760 --> 00:21:42.280 don't think I have a good answer. I don't I don't know 413 00:21:42.280 --> 00:21:46.280 that there is a good answer, but here's where I've arrived, and 414 00:21:46.280 --> 00:21:49.665 I'm curious to know what Jason and Georgia think. I agree that 415 00:21:49.665 --> 00:21:52.465 the whole framework of media literacy just kinda doesn't work 416 00:21:52.465 --> 00:21:53.185 anymore. 417 00:21:53.345 --> 00:21:53.745 Mhmm. 418 00:21:53.745 --> 00:21:56.865 And because because the whole framework of 419 00:21:56.865 --> 00:22:01.505 media literacy is to, like, take the media that arrives in front 420 00:22:01.505 --> 00:22:05.350 of you and to compare it to other pieces of media, and to 421 00:22:05.350 --> 00:22:09.110 use your experience out in the world to confirm which of those 422 00:22:09.110 --> 00:22:13.990 things is the one that, like, you feel like most aligns with 423 00:22:13.990 --> 00:22:18.925 what you experience in the world, and to maybe take half 424 00:22:18.925 --> 00:22:22.365 truths from some of those things or to reach an aggregate of 425 00:22:22.365 --> 00:22:25.405 meaning compiled from those things. And so what do you do 426 00:22:25.405 --> 00:22:29.405 when all of those things is wrong? Right? Like, the 427 00:22:29.405 --> 00:22:33.470 information environment, like we talked about with our science 428 00:22:33.470 --> 00:22:36.830 communicators, is, like, so poisoned that it's, like, really 429 00:22:36.830 --> 00:22:43.735 hard to even know that you are getting a full portrait of what 430 00:22:43.735 --> 00:22:47.255 is going on in the world even if you have many, many media 431 00:22:47.255 --> 00:22:48.375 sources at hand. 432 00:22:48.375 --> 00:22:48.695 Mhmm. 433 00:22:48.695 --> 00:22:51.815 I think that there are a few things that are 434 00:22:51.815 --> 00:22:57.530 true. The first is there's no future in media literacy if we 435 00:22:57.530 --> 00:23:00.650 don't wanna completely abandon that title or that framework 436 00:23:00.810 --> 00:23:06.650 where you're not intimately familiar with how the media is 437 00:23:06.650 --> 00:23:12.835 made and by whom. Oh, yeah. There's just absolutely no no 438 00:23:12.835 --> 00:23:18.595 way forward without intimate knowledge about who holds the 439 00:23:18.595 --> 00:23:23.450 power in creating the media and what they want in the world. And 440 00:23:23.450 --> 00:23:27.210 what's nice, at least, about right now is that most of the 441 00:23:27.210 --> 00:23:31.290 people who are in positions of power, they're very clear about 442 00:23:31.290 --> 00:23:31.930 what they want. 443 00:23:31.930 --> 00:23:36.730 They kinda go on their own owned media and say it very clearly. 444 00:23:36.730 --> 00:23:37.050 Oh, yeah. 445 00:23:37.725 --> 00:23:39.965 You just have to believe them, which is maybe 446 00:23:39.965 --> 00:23:43.485 sometimes a little bit hard. Mhmm. I have seen a couple 447 00:23:43.485 --> 00:23:46.525 people render this a few different ways. Cameron 448 00:23:46.525 --> 00:23:50.365 Kunzelman, who does the shelved by genre podcast, who's really 449 00:23:50.365 --> 00:23:53.165 great. He's like a communications professor and a 450 00:23:53.300 --> 00:23:57.300 game studies person, rendered this really succinctly recently 451 00:23:57.300 --> 00:24:02.980 as, I think, something like tired media literacy or retired 452 00:24:02.980 --> 00:24:05.460 media literacy, wired ideology. 453 00:24:05.945 --> 00:24:10.905 There's kind of no analysis of this that doesn't just really 454 00:24:10.905 --> 00:24:15.145 fully focus on ideology. Mhmm. And I think I don't know how you 455 00:24:15.145 --> 00:24:18.505 do it as a civics professor or a civics teacher, especially in, 456 00:24:18.505 --> 00:24:22.700 like, AP classes, but there's kind of no way around this where 457 00:24:22.700 --> 00:24:27.820 you don't have to do Marxist analysis of things, and talk 458 00:24:27.820 --> 00:24:32.300 about, like, how capital in all of its forms plays a huge role 459 00:24:32.865 --> 00:24:37.745 in the creation of meaning in the world and how things reach 460 00:24:37.745 --> 00:24:41.505 the level of prevalence that they are. And, like, you're 461 00:24:41.505 --> 00:24:45.185 basically just replacing media literacy with sociology. Yeah. 462 00:24:45.185 --> 00:24:49.010 Whoops. Yeah. But, like, I think we maybe kind of have to. 463 00:24:49.330 --> 00:24:52.770 Yeah. I mean, to to your point of, like, 464 00:24:52.770 --> 00:24:55.890 specifically ideological approaches to looking at media, 465 00:24:56.610 --> 00:24:59.730 I think also it just I'm thinking of this idea of having 466 00:24:59.730 --> 00:25:03.415 to present civics and things like that from a, quote, 467 00:25:03.415 --> 00:25:06.775 unquote, politically neutral perspective. How do In a you in 468 00:25:06.775 --> 00:25:09.095 an environment where, like, being politically neutral is now 469 00:25:09.095 --> 00:25:13.255 a kind of I mean, it's a position. It's a position. Like, 470 00:25:13.255 --> 00:25:17.050 it is it is also sort of it its neutrality doesn't exist 471 00:25:17.050 --> 00:25:17.690 anymore. 472 00:25:17.690 --> 00:25:19.610 No. And I think and I think now being 473 00:25:19.610 --> 00:25:23.850 politically neutral would, in fact, get you being accused of 474 00:25:23.850 --> 00:25:27.465 being a leftist by many of the 475 00:25:27.545 --> 00:25:27.705 you know 476 00:25:27.705 --> 00:25:28.665 what I mean? Like, have 477 00:25:28.665 --> 00:25:30.505 to gonna say republican. No. 478 00:25:30.505 --> 00:25:32.185 You have to act like, I think a lot of the 479 00:25:32.185 --> 00:25:35.465 people who are the most mad about this and who are in charge 480 00:25:35.465 --> 00:25:39.625 of a lot of the the media at least would say that, you know, 481 00:25:39.625 --> 00:25:44.230 you have to, like, vociferously affirm their positions or else 482 00:25:44.390 --> 00:25:45.750 you are taking a side. 483 00:25:45.750 --> 00:25:47.590 Sure. Well, yeah. And also it's yeah. It's 484 00:25:47.590 --> 00:25:51.670 the politicization of all topics. Yeah. 485 00:25:51.670 --> 00:25:54.550 It also then, yeah, makes makes for a very difficult 486 00:25:55.515 --> 00:26:00.955 interpretation, if it's even interpretable anymore, of media 487 00:26:00.955 --> 00:26:03.915 literacy if you have to consider neutrality as the goal. 488 00:26:04.475 --> 00:26:05.035 I mean, I think 489 00:26:05.195 --> 00:26:07.035 Which I don't think you can Yeah. Anymore. I 490 00:26:07.035 --> 00:26:08.075 think that's a problem. 491 00:26:08.075 --> 00:26:11.110 We're so far like, there's it's really, 492 00:26:11.110 --> 00:26:13.670 really hard to defend the classical journalistic 493 00:26:13.670 --> 00:26:17.510 perspective of, like, positivistic empirical analysis 494 00:26:17.510 --> 00:26:19.750 of, here's what's going on in the world. Like 495 00:26:20.310 --> 00:26:22.150 Oh, yeah. Because I think in the last, I 496 00:26:22.150 --> 00:26:24.735 don't know, at least twenty years, if not more recently, 497 00:26:24.735 --> 00:26:28.015 like, there has, as you said, been this far broader 498 00:26:28.015 --> 00:26:33.215 understanding of who is controlling these media outlets, 499 00:26:33.695 --> 00:26:36.495 what their perspectives are, and also the people controlling 500 00:26:36.495 --> 00:26:40.310 those media outlets becoming people like Jeff Bezos owning 501 00:26:40.310 --> 00:26:41.350 the Washington Post. 502 00:26:41.350 --> 00:26:43.910 Right. I think this runs into exactly 503 00:26:43.910 --> 00:26:48.710 where media literacy contains two incorrect words for the 504 00:26:48.710 --> 00:26:52.965 moment. Media literacy would tell you that Jeff Bezos owns 505 00:26:52.965 --> 00:26:56.405 the Washington Post and has done a measurable series of things 506 00:26:56.405 --> 00:27:02.085 with obvious outcomes. And that like Sinclair News shows the 507 00:27:02.085 --> 00:27:05.460 same news feed across the entire world, and here are the people 508 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:09.140 whose concerns are involved in the operation of that media. 509 00:27:09.700 --> 00:27:14.180 That that is also easy to document, and that the 510 00:27:14.900 --> 00:27:21.215 disagreement lies then past that point onto me bringing that up 511 00:27:21.215 --> 00:27:25.775 is a political position rather than a documentation of like 512 00:27:25.775 --> 00:27:29.775 obvious flows of information that's publicly available. 513 00:27:30.095 --> 00:27:33.390 That is where the literacy is at. So it's not about the media. 514 00:27:33.390 --> 00:27:36.190 Also, media is like a very weird term here because it sort of 515 00:27:36.190 --> 00:27:41.630 assumes some presentation and receiving of information rather 516 00:27:41.630 --> 00:27:45.230 than a a constant interaction with information, which is 517 00:27:45.230 --> 00:27:47.470 really how people engage with information at this point. 518 00:27:47.765 --> 00:27:50.165 I mean, it's content literacy. 519 00:27:50.405 --> 00:27:52.325 Yeah. And so maybe it's like content more 520 00:27:52.325 --> 00:27:56.085 than media or maybe it's like we have like transcended media's 521 00:27:56.165 --> 00:28:00.805 screen bound utility to instead constantly be in political 522 00:28:00.805 --> 00:28:06.030 discourse about the things we will or will not be open to 523 00:28:06.030 --> 00:28:09.870 believing about our worldviews. Yeah. And that is really the 524 00:28:09.870 --> 00:28:13.150 consistent meta conversation that's happening regardless of 525 00:28:13.150 --> 00:28:14.190 the formats in the middle. 526 00:28:14.495 --> 00:28:16.655 And that's before you even get to, like, does the 527 00:28:16.655 --> 00:28:20.255 fact that Brendan Carr approved the merger of the News Corp so 528 00:28:20.255 --> 00:28:25.375 that now one company controls 60% of the news in The United 529 00:28:25.375 --> 00:28:29.660 States, is that is knowing that media literacy, or is that 530 00:28:29.660 --> 00:28:30.700 something else? 531 00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:33.180 Is is having to teach my parents how to 532 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:37.260 recognize if a video is AI? No. Like, where does that lie in 533 00:28:37.260 --> 00:28:39.740 this? That might be media literacy. I think that I was 534 00:28:39.740 --> 00:28:39.980 gonna say 535 00:28:39.980 --> 00:28:42.035 that I think that is media literacy. 536 00:28:42.035 --> 00:28:42.275 Yeah. 537 00:28:42.275 --> 00:28:43.875 Yeah. That might be the only thing. 538 00:28:43.875 --> 00:28:44.915 That is the 539 00:28:47.395 --> 00:28:49.315 piece of media literacy that I think is 540 00:28:49.315 --> 00:28:52.755 genuinely correct by the traditional definition that has 541 00:28:52.755 --> 00:28:53.075 remained. 542 00:28:53.360 --> 00:28:55.680 Penalty, we got it. If you need to teach media 543 00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.840 literacy, it's the the the curriculum's very short. It's 544 00:28:59.840 --> 00:29:02.960 one item. Yeah. Show your parents. 545 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:05.280 And the and the answer is, it's always AI. 546 00:29:05.465 --> 00:29:07.625 I'm sorry, captain disillusioned. You are 547 00:29:07.625 --> 00:29:10.665 now the only media literacy professor in the world. 548 00:29:10.665 --> 00:29:15.785 The only educator. Next up on the 549 00:29:15.785 --> 00:29:20.665 subreddit, we got a comment from Nondeterminist System about our 550 00:29:21.220 --> 00:29:24.740 chat on digital storage. They write, I'm sympathetic to Hans's 551 00:29:24.740 --> 00:29:28.100 position, which to review, Hans's position is you're all 552 00:29:28.100 --> 00:29:28.900 gonna die. 553 00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:29.860 He was 554 00:29:29.860 --> 00:29:32.980 freaking out. Be You thinking about that 555 00:29:32.980 --> 00:29:37.675 constantly. Yes. So, like, whenever you open up your text 556 00:29:37.675 --> 00:29:40.635 edit program on your computer to, like, take a note just to 557 00:29:40.635 --> 00:29:43.995 make sure that you capture, like, the grocery list or 558 00:29:44.235 --> 00:29:46.955 something you need to do later, you gotta make sure you save it 559 00:29:46.955 --> 00:29:48.155 because you're gonna die. 560 00:29:48.235 --> 00:29:49.915 Yeah. You're gonna die. Mhmm. 561 00:29:49.915 --> 00:29:52.220 And you have to make sure that those files 562 00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:54.620 are Every if your eyes touch it or your hands 563 00:29:54.620 --> 00:29:55.420 touch it. 564 00:29:55.660 --> 00:29:59.500 It's your responsibility for those who 565 00:29:59.500 --> 00:30:00.460 come after you. 566 00:30:00.460 --> 00:30:02.460 Yeah. And please make sure that you appreciate 567 00:30:02.460 --> 00:30:04.860 each individual file as a different individual 568 00:30:04.860 --> 00:30:05.740 responsibility. 569 00:30:05.740 --> 00:30:07.235 Of of course. I'm so glad 570 00:30:07.235 --> 00:30:08.995 Hans is at The Hague and not here to defend 571 00:30:08.995 --> 00:30:09.635 himself. 572 00:30:09.715 --> 00:30:14.835 Ephemera can certainly be helpful in the 573 00:30:14.835 --> 00:30:18.355 mourning process, but but ephemera are meant to be 574 00:30:18.355 --> 00:30:21.320 ephemeral and have been painfully so for the vast vast 575 00:30:21.320 --> 00:30:24.280 majority of human existence. Personally, I don't think that 576 00:30:24.280 --> 00:30:27.160 my life will, one, require tangible reminders to be 577 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.760 remembered by my loved ones in the short term, or two, benefit 578 00:30:30.760 --> 00:30:34.365 from tangible reminders in the long term. Now, if I were a fur 579 00:30:34.365 --> 00:30:37.165 trapper living in seventeen hundreds Kentucky, the journal 580 00:30:37.165 --> 00:30:39.965 of my quotidian life may have become a valuable historical 581 00:30:39.965 --> 00:30:42.845 relic, a window into everyday travails that would be 582 00:30:42.845 --> 00:30:47.730 immortalized via recollection on niche YouTube channels. But even 583 00:30:47.730 --> 00:30:50.530 that level of recollection would be contingent upon my musings 584 00:30:50.530 --> 00:30:52.930 surviving the very organic process of historical 585 00:30:52.930 --> 00:30:56.530 preservation. I worry that our current emphasis on preserving 586 00:30:56.530 --> 00:30:59.170 everything will contribute to a collapse in perspective. 587 00:30:59.410 --> 00:31:01.935 When everything is important enough to immortalize, nothing 588 00:31:01.935 --> 00:31:04.975 is. So I guess if I felt like anything about my life was 589 00:31:04.975 --> 00:31:07.695 important enough to immortalize, maybe I should set it to paper 590 00:31:07.695 --> 00:31:10.335 and donate the chronicle to an organization dedicated to 591 00:31:10.335 --> 00:31:14.175 preservation, like a museum. Or Hans. Or Hans. Maybe or Hans. 592 00:31:15.370 --> 00:31:16.410 Interesting. 593 00:31:17.610 --> 00:31:17.850 Or if 594 00:31:17.850 --> 00:31:19.770 I don't feel like it's that important, maybe it's 595 00:31:19.770 --> 00:31:22.490 better to just let it go. Or maybe I'm being proud in 596 00:31:22.490 --> 00:31:24.890 thinking I should be the one to curate what's important about 597 00:31:24.890 --> 00:31:27.530 me, and that's a task I should turn over to people who care 598 00:31:27.530 --> 00:31:33.665 about me instead. I legitimately don't know. I so my family, 599 00:31:33.665 --> 00:31:35.905 there aren't a lot of, like, heirlooms. There aren't a lot 600 00:31:35.905 --> 00:31:38.145 of, like, we don't have many documents. 601 00:31:38.145 --> 00:31:41.025 We don't have a lot of photos. It's maybe, like, from each 602 00:31:41.025 --> 00:31:46.480 side, there's, like, one or two books just of, like, mostly 603 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:52.240 photos, mostly photographs. And I think that's just because, you 604 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.640 know, they didn't have much. They really didn't have 605 00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.000 anything. Yeah. 606 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.040 You know, they my family my family on both sides were, like, 607 00:31:59.545 --> 00:32:05.145 fishermen mostly, like farmers, and like didn't really have 608 00:32:05.145 --> 00:32:08.025 anything. And so the I guess what I'm saying is that, like, 609 00:32:08.025 --> 00:32:13.465 the small number of things that we do have are cool and feel 610 00:32:14.180 --> 00:32:17.620 significant because we have them, and I think because 611 00:32:17.620 --> 00:32:23.460 there's not much of that. And I think about what sorts of stuff 612 00:32:23.620 --> 00:32:29.725 we're gonna leave behind when when we die for Clem to have to 613 00:32:29.725 --> 00:32:33.645 look at with her family when she's older. And, like, I think 614 00:32:33.645 --> 00:32:36.605 about it in a very similar way where I'm like, a couple books 615 00:32:36.605 --> 00:32:39.005 is probably fine. Yeah. 616 00:32:39.245 --> 00:32:41.565 You know, unless, like, when she's older, you know, like, 617 00:32:41.565 --> 00:32:43.485 I'll have a discussion with Clem where I'm like, do you want the 618 00:32:43.485 --> 00:32:46.030 guitars? If you want them, they're yours. Like, do you want 619 00:32:46.030 --> 00:32:48.110 the studio equipment? Like, those are legitimate 620 00:32:48.110 --> 00:32:52.030 collectibles, but, like, none of that stuff exists in my family. 621 00:32:52.030 --> 00:32:53.230 There's up until me. 622 00:32:53.230 --> 00:32:56.750 Like, I'm the first one that will have, like, things to give 623 00:32:56.750 --> 00:33:04.845 to a kid. And I do feel like it not being a lot is probably 624 00:33:04.845 --> 00:33:08.125 meaningful, and I never ever think about any of the digital 625 00:33:08.125 --> 00:33:09.165 stuff ever. 626 00:33:09.325 --> 00:33:10.285 Mhmm. Mhmm. 627 00:33:10.285 --> 00:33:13.405 I come from a family of like quilters, like 628 00:33:14.260 --> 00:33:19.220 crocheters, knitters, textile people. Yeah. Woah. So like Oh. 629 00:33:19.220 --> 00:33:21.140 My mother is an incredible quilter. 630 00:33:21.380 --> 00:33:24.020 And so that is sort of what we have, like she has pieces from 631 00:33:24.020 --> 00:33:27.905 like her great grandmother that like, she found fabric 632 00:33:27.905 --> 00:33:30.705 collections of and then she turned them into something, and 633 00:33:30.705 --> 00:33:33.425 so like, there are all these sort of handmade objects that 634 00:33:33.425 --> 00:33:36.945 survive generations that have meaning to them, and then 635 00:33:36.945 --> 00:33:42.750 there's also a fair amount of like, you know, furniture that's 636 00:33:42.750 --> 00:33:46.030 interesting just by dint of it having been sat on by a couple 637 00:33:46.030 --> 00:33:49.870 generations of folks that kind of floats Not a lot of 638 00:33:49.870 --> 00:33:54.745 photography, but there's some. And the member chat we had was 639 00:33:54.745 --> 00:33:58.425 specifically about our digital collection of photography 640 00:33:58.425 --> 00:34:01.945 mostly, and the archiving practices there. And I was 641 00:34:01.945 --> 00:34:04.505 actually just talking to my parents about it this weekend, 642 00:34:04.665 --> 00:34:07.545 talking about our very conversation, and how very 643 00:34:07.545 --> 00:34:12.200 similar very similarly to how non determinist system put it. 644 00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.800 If everything is worthy of documentation, nothing is, and I 645 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:20.200 don't think I'm just like built for that. I am sort of built for 646 00:34:20.200 --> 00:34:23.835 a time where you have eight pictures maximum of somebody and 647 00:34:23.835 --> 00:34:25.355 you do the rest of the work. 648 00:34:25.435 --> 00:34:27.595 You look at those and you conjure a character, you think 649 00:34:27.595 --> 00:34:29.995 about who they might be and you try to connect it to stories you 650 00:34:29.995 --> 00:34:33.275 have of them and it comes to life for you rather than a world 651 00:34:33.275 --> 00:34:38.220 where I could have feasibly one to one documented without 652 00:34:38.220 --> 00:34:41.820 spending that much effort or money, like my entire life from 653 00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:44.700 the age of 20. I could have just given that to somebody. I could 654 00:34:44.700 --> 00:34:46.540 have done that work and it wouldn't have been that hard or 655 00:34:46.540 --> 00:34:50.095 expensive. That's unbelievable. I'm not prepared for that. 656 00:34:50.095 --> 00:34:50.815 I don't want that. 657 00:34:50.815 --> 00:34:54.335 Yes. I yes. I completely agree with that. I 658 00:34:54.335 --> 00:34:58.495 can also feel Hans, like, emotionally reacting to this all 659 00:34:58.495 --> 00:35:02.175 the way across the ocean, like, just knows we're talking about 660 00:35:02.175 --> 00:35:07.280 it. But, yeah, I I feel completely the same way. 661 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:13.920 I think volume is the enemy of sentimentality in many That's 662 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:21.765 good. Yeah. Crushed it. And I mean, I I do have a good amount 663 00:35:21.765 --> 00:35:25.685 of heirlooms and things from generations of family I never 664 00:35:25.685 --> 00:35:30.485 even met. Like, my great grandfather made banjos. 665 00:35:30.965 --> 00:35:34.085 So we had, like, a bunch of banjos. But then, you know, 666 00:35:34.085 --> 00:35:41.100 like, my mom donated quite a few of them to a museum. And the 667 00:35:41.100 --> 00:35:44.940 conversation around what to keep, what to donate, what to 668 00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:49.805 sell is a practical one that I have with my specifically with 669 00:35:49.805 --> 00:35:54.365 my mom, virtually every single time I come home to visit. Mhmm. 670 00:35:54.365 --> 00:35:55.725 It happens constantly. 671 00:35:56.285 --> 00:36:00.285 Often, it's like the first thing that happens when I come home, 672 00:36:00.605 --> 00:36:03.165 where we sort of go through the the art on the walls and she'd 673 00:36:03.165 --> 00:36:05.440 be like, well, this is you know, you should keep this, you should 674 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.360 donate this, you should do this this this this this. Wow. So 675 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:12.000 it's just a conversation that we've had and that we've been 676 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:17.145 having and, like, the awareness of my parents' mortality, of my 677 00:36:17.145 --> 00:36:19.865 grandparents' mortality when they were still alive, was 678 00:36:19.865 --> 00:36:23.945 abundantly some like, something I was abundantly aware of 679 00:36:23.945 --> 00:36:27.865 forever. There was no space for, like, the fantasy of, like, this 680 00:36:27.865 --> 00:36:30.985 is never gonna happen, and I'm never gonna have to think about 681 00:36:30.985 --> 00:36:32.185 this. Yeah. 682 00:36:32.265 --> 00:36:35.430 I think about it all the time. And when I think about it, I'd 683 00:36:35.430 --> 00:36:40.310 land very much where, Jason, you just described landing, which is 684 00:36:40.870 --> 00:36:47.750 I am not built to become a museum of myself. Whether that's 685 00:36:48.105 --> 00:36:54.425 a curator of a museum of of endless amounts of ephemera, nor 686 00:36:54.425 --> 00:37:00.985 a museum of my own life in its minute detail. I think there is 687 00:37:00.985 --> 00:37:07.340 so much beauty in being able to imagine and interpret through 688 00:37:07.340 --> 00:37:11.180 context of certain ephemera. I think ephemera is very special. 689 00:37:11.420 --> 00:37:15.820 But I think volume can really get in the way of how special it 690 00:37:15.820 --> 00:37:15.980 is. 691 00:37:16.615 --> 00:37:18.695 Yeah. Ultimately, where I landed on it 692 00:37:18.695 --> 00:37:23.255 during the discussion, where I land on it now is like and I 693 00:37:23.255 --> 00:37:25.495 think nondeterminist system put a little bit of this language in 694 00:37:25.495 --> 00:37:30.200 there too. Like, it's kind of for other people. If they want 695 00:37:30.200 --> 00:37:34.760 more of me or to keep more of that, they can. And I hope they 696 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:35.960 do and they're thinking about it. 697 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:40.360 But like, I'm gonna do my best. I will keep around what I can. 698 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.520 It's a deeply sentimental project. But like, if you want 699 00:37:44.520 --> 00:37:47.055 more, it's on you, man. It's on you. 700 00:37:47.055 --> 00:37:53.375 To quote Jason, come and take it. We're gonna 701 00:37:53.375 --> 00:37:55.375 take a quick break. When we get back, we're gonna talk about 702 00:37:55.375 --> 00:37:57.695 gamers No. And customization. 703 00:37:57.695 --> 00:38:19.545 Yes. Yes. Welcome back. We have got an 704 00:38:19.545 --> 00:38:24.985 email from Germany. From Gwyn, I believe, g w y n. 705 00:38:25.990 --> 00:38:30.390 Gwyn wants to talk about video games in relation to George's 706 00:38:30.390 --> 00:38:34.710 segment on customization. The death of customization over time 707 00:38:34.950 --> 00:38:39.590 from the hallowed halls of my space dripping with your 708 00:38:39.590 --> 00:38:46.585 personalized nonsense to the anodyne corridors of Facebook 709 00:38:46.585 --> 00:38:47.145 and other 710 00:38:47.385 --> 00:38:48.265 Oh my god. 711 00:38:48.345 --> 00:38:51.145 Corporate dystopian platforms where your 712 00:38:51.145 --> 00:38:55.210 personality should not exist and only might perhaps in the 713 00:38:55.210 --> 00:38:56.890 personalization of your ads. 714 00:38:56.890 --> 00:38:57.450 Mhmm. 715 00:38:57.450 --> 00:39:00.330 Oh. Win. Writes about video games. Video 716 00:39:00.330 --> 00:39:02.410 games, mobile games in particular, and the surrounding 717 00:39:02.410 --> 00:39:05.450 spaces have become somewhat of a testing ground for predatory 718 00:39:05.450 --> 00:39:08.490 digital practices and business models. There seems to be a 719 00:39:08.490 --> 00:39:12.165 pervasive and not completely incorrect sentiment among the 720 00:39:12.165 --> 00:39:15.605 business side of the industry that capital g gamers. 721 00:39:15.925 --> 00:39:18.725 Enjoy their gamer swag that they will eat up whatever you market 722 00:39:18.725 --> 00:39:21.925 to them, that they will take their increasing exploitation 723 00:39:21.925 --> 00:39:25.130 sitting down. Many of them are young and impressionable, not in 724 00:39:25.130 --> 00:39:29.290 a, so will somebody think of the children kind of way, but in a 725 00:39:29.290 --> 00:39:31.850 way toy companies learn to advertise to kids directly 726 00:39:31.850 --> 00:39:34.090 instead of their parents because it's much easier to get their 727 00:39:34.090 --> 00:39:36.505 hooks into them. Getting an eight year old to gamble on 728 00:39:36.505 --> 00:39:40.265 mom's phone is well, literally two steps removed from taking 729 00:39:40.265 --> 00:39:44.665 candy from a baby. They go on to write more about the pervasive 730 00:39:44.665 --> 00:39:49.385 addition of monetization stages and ads into games and continue 731 00:39:49.385 --> 00:39:52.330 here. Discord has taken what Steam introduced and run with 732 00:39:52.330 --> 00:39:52.490 it. 733 00:39:52.490 --> 00:39:56.090 The platform is VC funded unlike the privately owned Valve slash 734 00:39:56.090 --> 00:39:59.130 Steam and has been adding more and more monetization features 735 00:39:59.130 --> 00:40:02.570 in an effort to become profitable. Since 2017, users 736 00:40:02.570 --> 00:40:05.285 have been able to subscribe Discord Nitro, which at first 737 00:40:05.285 --> 00:40:07.925 allowed them to use animated avatars, upload bigger files, 738 00:40:07.925 --> 00:40:10.725 and a handful of other things. In the last few years, this has 739 00:40:10.725 --> 00:40:13.285 expanded exponentially with more and more features added to the 740 00:40:13.285 --> 00:40:16.245 platform in order to make the subscription more appealing, and 741 00:40:16.245 --> 00:40:18.565 a few things that used to be free locked behind the paywall. 742 00:40:18.565 --> 00:40:22.240 You can now get special banners and animated profile backgrounds 743 00:40:22.240 --> 00:40:25.920 and emotes and frames and more. You can change the color of your 744 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.880 client with Nitro and just generally present yourself much 745 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:33.760 much more ostentatiously than people who don't spend money on 746 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:34.320 Discord. 747 00:40:35.495 --> 00:40:39.735 They continue later. All of this is gamification and is obviously 748 00:40:39.735 --> 00:40:42.775 in shitification. And assuming that nothing fundamentally 749 00:40:42.775 --> 00:40:45.335 changes about the ways in which we collectively use social 750 00:40:45.335 --> 00:40:49.175 media, I think this might well be what's to come for the more 751 00:40:49.175 --> 00:40:52.430 mainstream social platforms. You can already buy a Twitter 752 00:40:52.430 --> 00:40:55.310 subscription and get that blue tick. What's stopping them from 753 00:40:55.310 --> 00:40:58.830 making that more appealing by making your profile all sparkly 754 00:40:58.830 --> 00:41:00.430 for a little extra cash? 755 00:41:00.830 --> 00:41:03.470 The digital gifts and hats and whatnot you can give people on 756 00:41:03.470 --> 00:41:07.105 TikTok live aren't that far removed from their counterparts 757 00:41:07.105 --> 00:41:17.105 on Steam. I think this is so good. Oh my on gamers to mass 758 00:41:17.105 --> 00:41:22.260 media adopting of the will buy some silly little trinkets and 759 00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:24.740 maybe reclaim some personalization of our online 760 00:41:24.740 --> 00:41:27.140 spaces seems so accurate. 761 00:41:27.220 --> 00:41:30.100 What do they call it on MySpace? Blingify? I think 762 00:41:30.100 --> 00:41:30.660 so. 763 00:41:30.820 --> 00:41:31.700 Sounds right. 764 00:41:32.020 --> 00:41:34.580 The whole time you were reading Jason, I was 765 00:41:34.975 --> 00:41:40.015 sort of experiencing the entire grieving process, all the stages 766 00:41:40.015 --> 00:41:45.055 of grief. Because it is so sad how true this is. That, of 767 00:41:45.055 --> 00:41:48.735 course, customization, which was something that was so beloved 768 00:41:48.735 --> 00:41:53.280 and so special about, at least, my early experience of being 769 00:41:53.280 --> 00:42:00.160 online, is now monetized and weaponized and used as a tool in 770 00:42:00.160 --> 00:42:06.000 a in a larger, horrible machine of getting you to invest in 771 00:42:06.625 --> 00:42:10.545 micro transactions and spend money that you don't necessarily 772 00:42:10.545 --> 00:42:13.185 think about until it all adds up and you're like, uh-oh, I can't 773 00:42:13.185 --> 00:42:15.665 afford groceries. I think this is so true. 774 00:42:16.225 --> 00:42:18.065 Someone take the lathe of heaven from me. Just 775 00:42:18.065 --> 00:42:20.705 take it take it from me so that I'm not holding it when I say 776 00:42:20.705 --> 00:42:22.870 this. Just take here, George. I'm gonna hand it to you. Thank 777 00:42:22.870 --> 00:42:23.030 you. 778 00:42:23.030 --> 00:42:23.270 Here's the 779 00:42:23.270 --> 00:42:24.150 wave of heaven. 780 00:42:24.310 --> 00:42:26.310 Okay. Sharing the Ready? I'm gonna say a string of 781 00:42:26.310 --> 00:42:32.790 words. Social media profile skin loot boxes. 782 00:42:33.110 --> 00:42:38.665 Stop it. Mike, stop it. Stop it. Stop. 783 00:42:39.465 --> 00:42:40.505 Just a 784 00:42:40.505 --> 00:42:42.505 I'm just a baby, Mike. 785 00:42:45.145 --> 00:42:49.465 God. Someone is going to become a billionaire 786 00:42:49.465 --> 00:42:52.240 because you just said that. And it won't be me. 787 00:42:52.240 --> 00:42:54.080 How could you? How could you, Mike? How could 788 00:42:54.080 --> 00:42:54.880 you do this? 789 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.680 We often get accused on Fun City of 790 00:42:57.680 --> 00:43:00.960 predicting the future, except it's the bad future. Yeah. And 791 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:03.360 so maybe we can get some of that credit here on the Yeah. This 792 00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.695 seems inevitable. And Discord will absolutely be the first. 793 00:43:06.695 --> 00:43:09.175 Right? If they haven't already done it and I'm just not aware 794 00:43:09.175 --> 00:43:09.735 of it. 795 00:43:09.735 --> 00:43:10.935 Although, I don't know. I could see Meta 796 00:43:10.935 --> 00:43:15.095 doing this as well. Like, I could see it being like, hey. 797 00:43:15.095 --> 00:43:18.855 Remember when we basically devoured Myspace in front of all 798 00:43:18.855 --> 00:43:19.415 of you? 799 00:43:19.415 --> 00:43:20.135 Like, no. No. No. No. 800 00:43:20.215 --> 00:43:22.910 If we just gave it back to you at a price. 801 00:43:22.910 --> 00:43:24.670 Hey. Does Justin Timberlake still have 802 00:43:24.670 --> 00:43:26.670 Myspace? Because I've got some ideas. 803 00:43:26.990 --> 00:43:32.670 I know how to save the world tour. Next up is 804 00:43:32.670 --> 00:43:36.765 Liz calling in with her thoughts on my segment about why nobody 805 00:43:36.765 --> 00:43:40.685 dances at the club anymore and how smartphones are to blame. 806 00:43:40.845 --> 00:43:43.805 I was hearing about the discussion about places 807 00:43:43.805 --> 00:43:49.680 where you use of phone as explicitly, prohibited, And you 808 00:43:49.680 --> 00:43:55.520 mentioned church, sir. And I am driving back from my church, and 809 00:43:55.520 --> 00:43:59.280 I regret to inform you that it's not really true anymore even 810 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.575 though the message there is still on the And I've been a 811 00:44:02.575 --> 00:44:06.015 volunteer for my church for a long time. And, like, I have to 812 00:44:06.015 --> 00:44:09.375 have WhatsApp business constantly open because I have 813 00:44:09.375 --> 00:44:13.935 to watch the church WhatsApp number. And, like, when we are 814 00:44:13.935 --> 00:44:17.680 studying our religious texts, then there's a lot of language 815 00:44:17.680 --> 00:44:21.360 that's from a long time ago that uses very weird words, and we 816 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.240 have to look words up. So we have to use our phones for that. 817 00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:29.360 And, you know, that ship has sailed, and it sucks. But at the 818 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:33.175 same time, it's good to have those tools. But when people are 819 00:44:33.175 --> 00:44:37.575 just, like, I don't know, browsing Instagram during church 820 00:44:37.575 --> 00:44:41.735 functions or whatever, like, that's usually called out. So 821 00:44:41.735 --> 00:44:46.730 it's like it's we we try to use it well, like, it as a tool, but 822 00:44:46.730 --> 00:44:49.690 it's still always an uphill battle. But it's like that 823 00:44:49.850 --> 00:44:52.970 that's the place where I have that most healthy relationship 824 00:44:52.970 --> 00:44:53.770 with my phone. 825 00:44:53.770 --> 00:44:54.570 So that's something. 826 00:44:54.890 --> 00:44:56.970 So that's something. So that's something. 827 00:44:56.970 --> 00:45:00.335 That is something. You know what this made me think? We've talked 828 00:45:00.335 --> 00:45:03.935 about this in Never Watches when we're watching great movies of 829 00:45:03.935 --> 00:45:05.695 one particular year in the nineties. 830 00:45:05.775 --> 00:45:08.015 When we envision future technology, it usually is 831 00:45:08.015 --> 00:45:11.295 devices that are somewhat form and functionally related to what 832 00:45:11.295 --> 00:45:13.920 they do. They look like a thing. Like, if you were to say, we 833 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.480 have these ancient religious texts and scholars are going to 834 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.800 need to translate and transliterate them across all 835 00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:22.720 these things, you would imagine some, like, cool fucking tome 836 00:45:22.720 --> 00:45:25.760 reading table that, like, doesn't your fucking minority 837 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.355 reporting on it. And, like, it just sucks if it's just your 838 00:45:28.355 --> 00:45:29.555 phone. It's always your phone. 839 00:45:29.555 --> 00:45:31.075 It's the same Yeah. Dumb little shit that 840 00:45:31.075 --> 00:45:32.195 does everything. Yeah. Yeah. 841 00:45:32.195 --> 00:45:33.875 There's nothing cool. They gotta, like, 842 00:45:33.875 --> 00:45:36.435 look at old text with their fucking Instagram machine, and, 843 00:45:36.435 --> 00:45:38.355 like, that is why things are lame. Yeah. 844 00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.520 Not to bring customization back into it, but 845 00:45:41.520 --> 00:45:44.720 because the phones all just kinda look like this big soft 846 00:45:44.720 --> 00:45:47.440 rectangle, like, with rounded edges 847 00:45:47.680 --> 00:45:48.320 Yeah. Boo. 848 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:48.640 And 849 00:45:48.640 --> 00:45:53.280 and not some beautiful gilded specialized 850 00:45:54.615 --> 00:45:57.175 sort of holy feeling object. 851 00:45:57.255 --> 00:45:59.015 Right? Like, we could make a digital object 852 00:45:59.015 --> 00:46:02.935 that was, like, commensurately reverential to the rest of the 853 00:46:02.935 --> 00:46:05.015 spiritual architecture of the building. 854 00:46:05.015 --> 00:46:07.400 And every day, we refuse to do it. Yeah. 855 00:46:08.680 --> 00:46:10.440 Is this what straying further from god's 856 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:13.960 light is? Is the light the light of the screen? 857 00:46:14.200 --> 00:46:15.880 Oh. The length of heaven is still in my 858 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:16.840 hands, Mike. 859 00:46:17.720 --> 00:46:21.705 Give it back. Give it back. I just wanna know 860 00:46:21.705 --> 00:46:23.065 what the church WhatsApp is like. 861 00:46:23.065 --> 00:46:24.025 Oh my god. 862 00:46:24.185 --> 00:46:29.305 Drama. Alright. Next up, Drew wants us to know 863 00:46:29.305 --> 00:46:31.785 more about Empreg Garfis. Hi. 864 00:46:31.785 --> 00:46:32.265 Okay. This 865 00:46:32.265 --> 00:46:35.305 is Drew. First time, long time supporter of the show. 866 00:46:35.850 --> 00:46:40.410 I'm listening to Mailbag number five. I'm about forty minutes 867 00:46:40.410 --> 00:46:45.770 in. You guys are talking about, quote, Garfies, and you talked 868 00:46:45.770 --> 00:46:49.210 specifically about one that has a large, you know, maybe 869 00:46:49.210 --> 00:46:52.785 distended belly and big hoohas. 870 00:46:53.345 --> 00:46:57.425 And I really think I can't see the image, but I really think 871 00:46:57.505 --> 00:47:01.665 this is not a, like, a fat satisfied Garfield that ate a 872 00:47:01.665 --> 00:47:04.945 lot of lasagna did we get here? But maybe a Garfield that is 873 00:47:04.945 --> 00:47:10.480 pregnant. This comes from, like, like, fantasy pregnancy type 874 00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:16.160 stuff where, like, males get pregnant called mpreg. I just 875 00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:19.760 feel like it's pregnant Garfield, and I think you should 876 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.005 know. Thank you much for doing the show. 877 00:47:22.005 --> 00:47:22.565 Bye. 878 00:47:23.125 --> 00:47:24.725 I don't even think we need to respond. I 879 00:47:24.725 --> 00:47:28.405 think we can just file this under FYI. Yeah. Is this show 880 00:47:28.405 --> 00:47:28.965 good? 881 00:47:31.925 --> 00:47:36.920 I think this shows that it is very good. 882 00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:38.680 Okay. Alright. 883 00:47:38.680 --> 00:47:40.600 I can't believe we were so blind. 884 00:47:40.600 --> 00:47:41.880 I should have looked at that, and I should 885 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:44.280 have said immediately, m preg garphys. 886 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.200 He's got the glow. He's got the glow. I know 887 00:47:46.200 --> 00:47:47.080 exactly what that means. 888 00:47:52.085 --> 00:47:56.965 Alright. And finally, here it is. If we can 889 00:47:56.965 --> 00:48:02.565 find the theme music from Hans before we have to publish this, 890 00:48:02.965 --> 00:48:04.005 a Molly's Corner. 891 00:48:14.640 --> 00:48:20.615 If you were all on a season of the traitors, who 892 00:48:20.615 --> 00:48:26.295 would you collectively, banish at the round table? Like, who 893 00:48:26.295 --> 00:48:30.375 would you think was a traitor? Thank you. And oh oh, wait. And 894 00:48:30.375 --> 00:48:32.695 who who do you think actually would be a traitor? 895 00:48:33.330 --> 00:48:36.370 Might be the same question. Might not be. 896 00:48:36.770 --> 00:48:38.770 Have fun. Oh my god. 897 00:48:39.730 --> 00:48:42.610 I don't know how the traitor works. 898 00:48:43.090 --> 00:48:49.585 I do. Alright. So for those who are unfamiliar, 899 00:48:50.065 --> 00:48:53.905 the traders is basically a hidden role competitive reality 900 00:48:54.145 --> 00:48:55.745 It's like mafia. Game. Yeah. 901 00:48:55.745 --> 00:48:58.350 Okay. Where, like, in the very beginning, a couple people are 902 00:48:58.350 --> 00:49:02.590 chosen as the traitors. Every episode, there is a roundtable 903 00:49:02.590 --> 00:49:07.310 where everyone, traitors and faithful included, votes someone 904 00:49:07.310 --> 00:49:11.985 to be banished who they think is a traitor. And that person has 905 00:49:11.985 --> 00:49:15.265 to reveal if they're a traitor or not, and all remaining 906 00:49:15.265 --> 00:49:18.225 traitors then get to choose someone that they're going to 907 00:49:18.225 --> 00:49:21.105 murder. So just, like, remove from the game completely. 908 00:49:21.105 --> 00:49:21.665 Okay. 909 00:49:21.825 --> 00:49:24.385 So if I had to pick who I think is a traitor 910 00:49:24.385 --> 00:49:28.070 in our group, it's probably the person at The Hague right now. 911 00:49:28.070 --> 00:49:32.310 I literally was about to say the same show. 912 00:49:36.310 --> 00:49:38.310 But as for who has the temperament for it, 913 00:49:38.310 --> 00:49:40.895 which I think is Molly's second question, not just like, who 914 00:49:40.895 --> 00:49:43.615 would I vote out, but who would actually betray me. 915 00:49:44.095 --> 00:49:50.015 Okay. Hold on. And do it with a smile. 916 00:49:50.175 --> 00:49:52.655 Yeah. Same answer. 917 00:49:54.170 --> 00:50:00.730 Wow. Wow. Damn. Yeah. I don't does friend of the 918 00:50:00.730 --> 00:50:03.050 show, Meagle Jnarden, count as Yeah. 919 00:50:03.050 --> 00:50:06.490 Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna say, I think Meagle I think Meagle. 920 00:50:06.490 --> 00:50:06.730 Yeah. 921 00:50:07.175 --> 00:50:07.655 It could 922 00:50:07.655 --> 00:50:09.655 be one of us three. Right? No. 923 00:50:09.655 --> 00:50:11.415 We're very trustworthy here. 924 00:50:11.415 --> 00:50:12.135 Think we're aware 925 00:50:12.135 --> 00:50:14.615 that actually, usually, there are three traders 926 00:50:14.615 --> 00:50:15.175 chosen 927 00:50:15.175 --> 00:50:15.975 at the beginning of the game. 928 00:50:16.295 --> 00:50:18.695 Just us. Mhmm. I think we're in an oops all 929 00:50:18.695 --> 00:50:19.815 traders call. 930 00:50:19.815 --> 00:50:19.975 Right? 931 00:50:20.520 --> 00:50:22.120 I'm gonna be so honest. 932 00:50:22.120 --> 00:50:24.520 And we've just and we've just voted to out the 933 00:50:24.520 --> 00:50:26.040 only two faithful people. 934 00:50:26.040 --> 00:50:27.480 Yes. So we win? 935 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:28.680 But that means we win the game. 936 00:50:28.680 --> 00:50:31.960 Does that mean is Audrey the Alan Cumming of the 937 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:32.760 group? Yes. 938 00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.245 She'd be honored. Oh, yes. And now for 939 00:50:36.245 --> 00:50:41.045 everyone's favorite postscript to the show, Jason wrestles with 940 00:50:41.045 --> 00:50:45.045 the listeners Yes. In a segment we like to call one word 941 00:50:45.045 --> 00:50:49.420 graffiti, or as the first submitter Weston put it, is it 942 00:50:49.420 --> 00:50:52.620 two word graffiti now? It's impossible to say, I hope Jason 943 00:50:52.620 --> 00:50:53.500 will be okay. 944 00:50:53.500 --> 00:50:55.740 He won't be, but that's not your problem. No. 945 00:50:55.740 --> 00:51:00.300 Weston's first submission here is a one 946 00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:06.005 word graffiti that they say is very Kiwi, a very Kiwi word, and 947 00:51:06.005 --> 00:51:08.645 it is on the side of a transformer box and it says 948 00:51:08.645 --> 00:51:13.365 jandal, and pictured under it looks to be a thong sandal. 949 00:51:13.365 --> 00:51:15.125 Yeah. Yeah. Jandal. Flip flop. Is it that's 950 00:51:15.125 --> 00:51:16.645 the word jandal with a picture of a jandal. 951 00:51:17.120 --> 00:51:18.160 That's a jandal? That's a jandal? 952 00:51:18.160 --> 00:51:19.200 Just so we're clear. 953 00:51:19.200 --> 00:51:20.160 Just so it's clear. 954 00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:22.160 Yeah. Alright. I'll take your word for 955 00:51:22.160 --> 00:51:26.240 it. Going back to the subreddit, a place you can all hang out r 956 00:51:26.240 --> 00:51:27.760 slash never post. 957 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.760 I believe this is from Talia. 958 00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:31.920 Talia sends in 959 00:51:32.245 --> 00:51:35.605 the word caring. In a beautiful font. 960 00:51:35.605 --> 00:51:37.205 A considered and caring font. 961 00:51:37.205 --> 00:51:40.405 It's great. It's like bright, all lowercase, on 962 00:51:40.405 --> 00:51:43.445 the side of King Tut. Mhmm. What's King Tut? King Tut's the 963 00:51:43.445 --> 00:51:43.925 place for 964 00:51:44.165 --> 00:51:45.045 Nepalese food? 965 00:51:45.430 --> 00:51:47.830 Oh. Painted on the side of King Tut, the place 966 00:51:47.830 --> 00:51:48.630 for Nepalese food. 967 00:51:48.630 --> 00:51:49.990 Our next submission from the subreddit 968 00:51:49.990 --> 00:51:56.230 comes from Mothalax, who has on the side of a DHL van, either 969 00:51:56.630 --> 00:52:01.175 Moses with an m or Hoses with an h. What do we think? 970 00:52:01.415 --> 00:52:04.375 I'm I'm going with Moses because that first 971 00:52:04.375 --> 00:52:06.695 letter has a little package. Yes. You know? 972 00:52:06.695 --> 00:52:08.695 Yes. I was gonna say the exact same thing. 973 00:52:08.695 --> 00:52:10.295 It has a sort of like v. 974 00:52:10.855 --> 00:52:12.615 The traders have spoken. It's Moses. 975 00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:15.200 And so it is writ. 976 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:18.720 Also, like, you know, you've heard of cool s's, 977 00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:23.600 but cool h's, o's, and e's? Woah. Oh. They abound here. Just 978 00:52:23.600 --> 00:52:25.760 a quick reminder, we're gonna put all these on the website so 979 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.040 you can see them, and you should. 980 00:52:27.275 --> 00:52:27.995 Next one from the 981 00:52:28.155 --> 00:52:30.795 This next one in particular, I think, slaps. This 982 00:52:30.795 --> 00:52:33.915 is maybe the best one we've ever gotten. It's awesome. I love 983 00:52:33.915 --> 00:52:35.755 it. This comes to us via the subreddit 984 00:52:35.755 --> 00:52:40.235 from GigaDumpy. Woah. And I am struggling to describe it. 985 00:52:40.235 --> 00:52:42.395 Georgia, can you use some art school words on this? 986 00:52:43.330 --> 00:52:46.610 Okay. So we're looking at a a a kind of script, 987 00:52:46.850 --> 00:52:50.450 I would say, that's almost like calligraphic. 988 00:52:50.850 --> 00:52:53.730 But it is definitely graffiti in like, 989 00:52:53.730 --> 00:52:57.535 graffiti style lettering, but Yes. Calligraphic in nature. 990 00:52:57.535 --> 00:52:59.055 But, yeah, like, with this sort of quality 991 00:52:59.055 --> 00:53:03.215 that has a lot of filigree and, like, accenting on each letter 992 00:53:03.215 --> 00:53:05.935 and, like, some of the tails of the letters are really long and 993 00:53:05.935 --> 00:53:09.055 then, like, turn into a circle with a bunch of lines. But it 994 00:53:09.055 --> 00:53:18.330 does undeniably say absorbo. And that's so important. 995 00:53:18.330 --> 00:53:21.450 It does. You cannot argue that it says 996 00:53:21.450 --> 00:53:25.905 absorbo. Yeah. Absorbo. And we also know from the post that 997 00:53:25.905 --> 00:53:28.945 this is from the inside of a porta potty. 998 00:53:28.945 --> 00:53:30.945 Oh, let's go. God. 999 00:53:30.945 --> 00:53:33.345 That's good. It's despicable. And I love it. 1000 00:53:33.345 --> 00:53:35.185 Jason, I'm curious if you think this next 1001 00:53:35.185 --> 00:53:36.065 one counts. 1002 00:53:36.065 --> 00:53:36.705 Now this 1003 00:53:36.865 --> 00:53:37.425 Oh, yeah. 1004 00:53:37.505 --> 00:53:41.780 This submission from land of doom, I 1005 00:53:41.780 --> 00:53:45.540 feel like is rage bait. You are trying to get me mad because you 1006 00:53:45.540 --> 00:53:50.500 have submitted me a finger drawing in the snow of the word 1007 00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:57.185 high with an exclamation point. This is not graffiti. This is 1008 00:53:57.185 --> 00:53:57.905 snow. 1009 00:53:58.065 --> 00:54:02.065 But what what is a line in the snow if not 1010 00:54:02.545 --> 00:54:04.545 graffiti ephemera, Jason? 1011 00:54:04.545 --> 00:54:05.985 Oh, come. This is don't you 1012 00:54:05.985 --> 00:54:08.460 fucking take take a picture take a picture. We're 1013 00:54:08.460 --> 00:54:09.180 all gonna die. 1014 00:54:09.180 --> 00:54:11.260 We're all gonna die. We have to remember this. 1015 00:54:11.260 --> 00:54:13.660 Hans might think this is precious graffiti 1016 00:54:13.740 --> 00:54:16.460 worth surviving, but I think this is a sand castle that 1017 00:54:16.460 --> 00:54:19.820 deserves to go back into the sea. To you, land of doom, I say 1018 00:54:19.820 --> 00:54:22.435 no. I say no. This is not one word graffiti. 1019 00:54:22.435 --> 00:54:24.755 But, Jason, what are we if not sandcastles 1020 00:54:24.755 --> 00:54:26.835 that will one day return to the sea? 1021 00:54:26.835 --> 00:54:29.955 Okay. Alright. Too many art school words. 1022 00:54:30.435 --> 00:54:31.475 You're cut off. 1023 00:54:31.555 --> 00:54:33.635 You have woken the bees. Alright. 1024 00:54:34.740 --> 00:54:37.140 Take your notebook to the seaside. Next 1025 00:54:37.780 --> 00:54:38.180 up, 1026 00:54:38.180 --> 00:54:41.620 we have j j c mouldery in the subreddit with 1027 00:54:41.780 --> 00:54:49.965 droidica. Droidica. One word, d r o I d I k a droidica, which I 1028 00:54:49.965 --> 00:54:53.805 understand is like a misspelling of a Star Wars term. 1029 00:54:54.045 --> 00:54:56.285 Okay. I would just like to comment on the fact 1030 00:54:56.285 --> 00:54:59.085 that this is on the side of a good barn directly next to some 1031 00:54:59.085 --> 00:54:59.645 train tracks. 1032 00:55:00.860 --> 00:55:02.620 I'm told in the comments that this is in the 1033 00:55:02.620 --> 00:55:04.860 Hudson Valley. So hello neighbor. 1034 00:55:06.300 --> 00:55:07.660 Gotta go look for it 1035 00:55:08.700 --> 00:55:11.340 Our next submission, I love. This is good 1036 00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:13.900 and this is right and the kind of thing I want. This comes from 1037 00:55:13.900 --> 00:55:17.985 Colin, and on the side of a beautiful green building is the 1038 00:55:17.985 --> 00:55:23.105 word green written in yellow. Yellow. And that's what I like. 1039 00:55:23.105 --> 00:55:28.290 Awesome. Amazing. And finally, for the one word graffiti 1040 00:55:28.290 --> 00:55:31.170 section, Mike, it looks like you submitted something of your very 1041 00:55:31.170 --> 00:55:31.650 own. 1042 00:55:31.650 --> 00:55:34.770 Oh. I did. There is one word graffiti that is 1043 00:55:34.770 --> 00:55:39.010 showing up all over Bed Stuy. This person has ups, as they 1044 00:55:39.010 --> 00:55:44.265 say, everywhere, and it is in all caps, always the same style 1045 00:55:44.265 --> 00:55:47.385 lettering, and it just says guillotine. 1046 00:55:47.625 --> 00:55:48.905 Hell, yeah. 1047 00:55:49.145 --> 00:55:52.425 Guillotine is guillotine is all over the place 1048 00:55:52.425 --> 00:55:53.865 in Bed Stuy at the moment. 1049 00:55:54.105 --> 00:55:55.705 Thank you for your service, guillotine. 1050 00:55:56.160 --> 00:56:00.480 Spreading the message one word at a time, which is what I like. 1051 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:04.560 Okay. So but now we've also got a bunch of two 1052 00:56:04.560 --> 00:56:05.760 word submissions. And 1053 00:56:06.240 --> 00:56:09.375 to be fair, this is what I told people they 1054 00:56:09.375 --> 00:56:14.895 were allowed to do this year. On the final recording of 2025, I 1055 00:56:14.895 --> 00:56:18.175 opened up the possibility for two word graffiti for this year. 1056 00:56:18.495 --> 00:56:22.190 So I am accepting it and we got some stuff that has come in. 1057 00:56:22.270 --> 00:56:26.510 Josh b sends in two examples. Well, no. 1058 00:56:26.510 --> 00:56:28.670 One of them is two word graffiti. The other I don't 1059 00:56:28.670 --> 00:56:28.830 know. 1060 00:56:28.830 --> 00:56:30.510 The second one is I'm mad again. 1061 00:56:30.510 --> 00:56:31.310 Yeah. I gotta be done. 1062 00:56:31.310 --> 00:56:34.395 This one's not it's demonstrably I'm trying to 1063 00:56:34.395 --> 00:56:34.955 be charitable. 1064 00:56:34.955 --> 00:56:36.795 I'm trying to broaden the parameters by which 1065 00:56:36.795 --> 00:56:40.315 people can send me graffiti, and still, they send me fucking 1066 00:56:40.875 --> 00:56:44.315 finger diagrams in the snow. Anyway, gotta move on. 1067 00:56:44.730 --> 00:56:46.810 It's if you give a mouse a cookie. Right? 1068 00:56:46.810 --> 00:56:48.090 That's what's happening. Yeah. 1069 00:56:49.610 --> 00:56:51.530 Alright. Well, first he sends is two word 1070 00:56:51.530 --> 00:56:57.210 graffiti. The iconic Houston one forty five b someone across a 1071 00:56:57.210 --> 00:57:00.515 bridge across a highway, which I believe you it's iconic. It 1072 00:57:00.515 --> 00:57:03.075 looks beautiful. It's a wonderful thing to say to people 1073 00:57:03.075 --> 00:57:04.995 in two words on the side of a bridge. 1074 00:57:05.555 --> 00:57:10.595 Bonus, Josh is also sending me the tag of the Nighthawk, which 1075 00:57:10.595 --> 00:57:13.395 says beware the Nighthawk and is found on the side of the 1076 00:57:13.395 --> 00:57:17.210 building which he says is a Houston icon, a knockoff Batman 1077 00:57:17.210 --> 00:57:20.810 who calls themselves the Nighthawk, which I think is 1078 00:57:20.810 --> 00:57:21.370 exciting. 1079 00:57:21.370 --> 00:57:25.290 Okay. So the beware is kind of an accessory 1080 00:57:25.290 --> 00:57:27.770 to the main tag, which is the Nighthawk. 1081 00:57:28.125 --> 00:57:30.445 Yeah. I would say so. I wonder if they say 1082 00:57:30.445 --> 00:57:33.965 other things in other tags about the Nighthawk, like, was here or 1083 00:57:33.965 --> 00:57:34.845 is coming. 1084 00:57:34.845 --> 00:57:37.645 I'm gonna say just the Nighthawk, in case 1085 00:57:37.645 --> 00:57:38.765 you're listening, just 1086 00:57:39.005 --> 00:57:39.645 And you are. 1087 00:57:39.645 --> 00:57:43.005 On off chance. You could do better, pal. 1088 00:57:43.510 --> 00:57:44.070 Yeah. 1089 00:57:44.230 --> 00:57:46.230 No. I don't wanna I don't I I don't want 1090 00:57:46.230 --> 00:57:46.710 them to do 1091 00:57:46.710 --> 00:57:47.430 better. I love 1092 00:57:47.430 --> 00:57:49.830 it. Scrawled nonsense on the side of this 1093 00:57:49.830 --> 00:57:50.390 building. 1094 00:57:50.870 --> 00:57:54.550 It's just like capital letters, handwriting. I 1095 00:57:54.550 --> 00:57:56.550 love it. Never do anything else. 1096 00:57:58.545 --> 00:58:01.025 I prefer this Batman to the buttoned up one. 1097 00:58:01.425 --> 00:58:04.785 It does it is a tag that reads as sudden. 1098 00:58:04.785 --> 00:58:07.025 Yes. Oh, yes. Like, I was just sort of walking 1099 00:58:07.025 --> 00:58:08.465 down the stairs, like Yeah. Yeah. Oh. 1100 00:58:08.465 --> 00:58:09.985 Oh, that's right. I'm a Nighthawk. 1101 00:58:09.985 --> 00:58:12.625 Yeah. Like as though like as though in a 1102 00:58:12.625 --> 00:58:15.290 moment, the Nighthawk had to put this here. 1103 00:58:15.290 --> 00:58:17.530 Yes. Well, the spirit overtook them. 1104 00:58:17.530 --> 00:58:22.330 Yeah. Josh Pelton sent in a few eligible 1105 00:58:22.650 --> 00:58:25.930 pieces of graffiti, one of which I particularly appreciated and 1106 00:58:25.930 --> 00:58:29.975 is two words. And Mike, you wanna describe a piece of 1107 00:58:29.975 --> 00:58:30.615 graffiti? 1108 00:58:31.495 --> 00:58:34.455 Yeah. This looks like some marker on the inside 1109 00:58:34.455 --> 00:58:37.655 of a frosted window. It's hard to tell the larger context 1110 00:58:37.655 --> 00:58:40.695 because it's pretty close-up. And it sort of looks like a 1111 00:58:40.695 --> 00:58:46.300 piece of, like, the outline, drawn in black marker of a piece 1112 00:58:46.300 --> 00:58:50.300 of paper towel that you've ripped from the dispenser, in 1113 00:58:50.300 --> 00:58:54.865 the bathroom, and written on it in all caps are two words, and 1114 00:58:54.865 --> 00:58:58.065 those words are magnum dong. 1115 00:58:58.385 --> 00:59:01.745 Yeah. That's good. Hell, yeah. See, we all 1116 00:59:01.745 --> 00:59:02.225 like that. 1117 00:59:02.225 --> 00:59:03.585 That's the kind of thing I like. 1118 00:59:03.585 --> 00:59:05.265 It's good. I really like the next one too. 1119 00:59:05.265 --> 00:59:05.985 Yeah. This one is one of 1120 00:59:05.985 --> 00:59:06.305 my favorites. 1121 00:59:06.305 --> 00:59:07.345 This one's so good. 1122 00:59:07.345 --> 00:59:09.970 Georgia, this one deserves the art school 1123 00:59:09.970 --> 00:59:10.690 treatment. 1124 00:59:10.690 --> 00:59:13.650 Oh, and I'm happy to deliver it. So we're 1125 00:59:13.650 --> 00:59:17.730 looking at a sidewalk, specifically a manhole cover. 1126 00:59:17.890 --> 00:59:24.365 And below it, in two layers of spray paint, first is green, 1127 00:59:24.365 --> 00:59:29.485 second is pink, it says vault, question mark, and then under 1128 00:59:29.485 --> 00:59:32.045 it, in parentheses, empty. 1129 00:59:32.845 --> 00:59:34.605 Though that could be what the Nighthawk has 1130 00:59:34.605 --> 00:59:35.405 written to throw you 1131 00:59:35.405 --> 00:59:35.645 off his 1132 00:59:35.805 --> 00:59:36.365 Just what 1133 00:59:36.365 --> 00:59:37.005 they want 1134 00:59:37.005 --> 00:59:40.210 us to think. So do you think do you think our 1135 00:59:40.210 --> 00:59:46.050 tagger arrived at this sewer cover, scroll down vault, 1136 00:59:46.210 --> 00:59:49.170 excitedly went down, looked around, and came back up, and 1137 00:59:49.170 --> 00:59:52.645 really disappointed, followed up with empty. 1138 00:59:53.285 --> 00:59:55.365 Empty. Just letting the next guy know. 1139 00:59:55.445 --> 00:59:58.965 Yeah. Sorry. You were in a Dark Souls game, 1140 00:59:58.965 --> 01:00:02.485 just giving you the directions. I think this one's particularly 1141 01:00:02.485 --> 01:00:05.125 gorgeous. It just it's nice to look at and it's the kind of 1142 01:00:05.125 --> 01:00:08.050 thing I like and it's why two words full of graffiti is 1143 01:00:08.050 --> 01:00:09.330 something that I now allow. 1144 01:00:09.570 --> 01:00:11.330 It's so my question for this was gonna be 1145 01:00:11.330 --> 01:00:13.490 whether or not this counts because I don't think that this 1146 01:00:13.490 --> 01:00:17.170 is graffiti. I think that this is probably functional text for 1147 01:00:17.170 --> 01:00:22.545 a utility worker. Because if you look, there's there's spray 1148 01:00:22.545 --> 01:00:24.945 paint on the side of the picture too that seems to draw an 1149 01:00:24.945 --> 01:00:28.945 outline of what is maybe a utility cable in the same in the 1150 01:00:28.945 --> 01:00:29.825 same color. 1151 01:00:29.905 --> 01:00:33.505 See, one of the things that I like is to 1152 01:00:33.505 --> 01:00:36.200 have fun and the things you're saying aren't fun. 1153 01:00:36.680 --> 01:00:39.720 Fair. Fair. Fair. I take it back. I take it back. 1154 01:00:39.720 --> 01:00:41.560 Thank you. I don't claim this energy. 1155 01:00:41.640 --> 01:00:43.480 Yeah. Perfect. 1156 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:45.320 Thank you, Lenny, for sending that in. 1157 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:46.520 That's truly a delight. 1158 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:47.640 It is really good. 1159 01:00:47.715 --> 01:00:50.195 Yeah. One of the things I don't like Uh-oh. 1160 01:00:50.195 --> 01:00:54.115 Is when somebody sends me in four words of graffiti. I'm not 1161 01:00:54.115 --> 01:00:57.075 even gonna talk about it. Favy fake, you know who you are and 1162 01:00:57.075 --> 01:01:00.115 you know that sending four words of graffiti means I won't read 1163 01:01:00.115 --> 01:01:00.275 it. 1164 01:01:00.275 --> 01:01:04.790 Called out. Four words in this economy? Are you kidding me? 1165 01:01:05.670 --> 01:01:07.350 Let's end on a high note. Jason, what's this 1166 01:01:07.350 --> 01:01:09.910 last thing you've put here under the heading poem? 1167 01:01:10.070 --> 01:01:14.390 Oh, this will cool us all down. So many 1168 01:01:15.110 --> 01:01:21.395 mailbags ago, Michael Bukino had sent in a poem that they had 1169 01:01:21.395 --> 01:01:26.675 written and we had read on the air called Bugs on My Beard. 1170 01:01:28.115 --> 01:01:32.570 They have since animated that poem in a delightful little 1171 01:01:32.570 --> 01:01:36.490 YouTube video that we will put in the links here. And I figure 1172 01:01:36.490 --> 01:01:40.490 it's been since it is our custom to end things with poetry 1173 01:01:40.490 --> 01:01:43.985 wherever possible, that perhaps we can just play ourselves out 1174 01:01:43.985 --> 01:01:49.425 in Michael's own reading of his own poem, the bugs in my beard, 1175 01:01:50.545 --> 01:01:53.745 and send us all into this good good night. 1176 01:01:53.745 --> 01:01:55.105 I think that's a great idea. 1177 01:01:55.105 --> 01:01:55.665 Love it. 1178 01:01:55.665 --> 01:01:58.890 Happy spring everybody. Let me go get my 1179 01:01:58.890 --> 01:01:59.690 shovel. 1180 01:02:02.410 --> 01:02:05.130 The bugs in my beard I bring back from my bike ride 1181 01:02:05.130 --> 01:02:08.970 are just souvenirs from failed attempt flybys. Buzzing and 1182 01:02:08.970 --> 01:02:11.985 bumping and flipping and flapping, jittering, jumping, 1183 01:02:11.985 --> 01:02:16.865 slithering, slapping. One proboscis, two antennae, 600,000 1184 01:02:16.865 --> 01:02:20.945 limbs, shiny shells, wondrous wings, and a slimy trail of 1185 01:02:20.945 --> 01:02:25.400 mucin. Each camouflage colorful cute creepy crawly itching a 1186 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.920 lift on the fuzzy face trolley can look like a lot at the end 1187 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:31.960 of my hall, but these little critters don't bug me at 1188 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.080 all. Okay. 1189 01:02:35.080 --> 01:02:37.000 Bye. Bye. Bye.