WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.865 Friends, hello, and welcome to Never Post's 2 00:00:18.185 --> 00:00:24.905 state of the podcast 2026. This is an episode for and about 3 00:00:25.385 --> 00:00:30.010 Never Post itself and in which we celebrate our two year 4 00:00:30.010 --> 00:00:30.650 birthday. 5 00:00:30.650 --> 00:00:33.130 Hell, yeah. We 6 00:00:33.610 --> 00:00:36.810 did it. Cakes and candles. 7 00:00:36.810 --> 00:00:37.210 Kicks and 8 00:00:37.210 --> 00:00:41.530 candles. Nevertheless, the pod persisted. 9 00:00:42.890 --> 00:00:44.250 Now I feel bad. 10 00:00:45.285 --> 00:00:46.485 Oh, man. 11 00:00:47.285 --> 00:00:49.365 We did one of these last year, and we're gonna 12 00:00:49.365 --> 00:00:51.605 do another one this year in which we're gonna let you know 13 00:00:51.605 --> 00:00:54.965 the chances that we will be around to make a third one next 14 00:00:54.965 --> 00:00:55.525 year. 15 00:00:56.165 --> 00:00:56.965 And what you 16 00:00:56.965 --> 00:00:59.970 are about to hear is a chat between the principal 17 00:00:59.970 --> 00:01:04.690 producers of the show about how we are doing as a show. We're 18 00:01:04.690 --> 00:01:07.250 gonna talk about how many people listen to Neverpost, how many 19 00:01:07.250 --> 00:01:09.730 members we have, how much money we make, and what we spend that 20 00:01:09.730 --> 00:01:14.035 money on. We're gonna talk about the challenges of making a 21 00:01:14.035 --> 00:01:16.755 podcast. We're gonna talk about what we need to keep doing the 22 00:01:16.755 --> 00:01:19.955 show. We're gonna talk about all the things that we're looking 23 00:01:19.955 --> 00:01:23.635 forward to in our third year, including some changes to the 24 00:01:23.635 --> 00:01:27.660 show's format, which I think secretly all of you that listen 25 00:01:27.660 --> 00:01:30.540 to the show, you're all a bunch of freaks or things that you 26 00:01:30.540 --> 00:01:31.340 want anyways. 27 00:01:31.340 --> 00:01:34.540 So I don't think any of it's gonna be a really big deal. 28 00:01:35.580 --> 00:01:39.775 Before we get too far, we're gonna do introductions. In order 29 00:01:39.775 --> 00:01:44.015 of how large I assumed their cup of coffee was this morning, 30 00:01:44.335 --> 00:01:46.735 descending. So biggest cup first. 31 00:01:46.735 --> 00:01:48.095 Single cup. Biggest single cup. 32 00:01:48.095 --> 00:01:51.055 Single cup. Jason Oberholzer, Never Post executive 33 00:01:51.055 --> 00:01:51.375 producer. 34 00:01:51.670 --> 00:01:54.310 It's me, your biggest boy with the biggest 35 00:01:54.310 --> 00:01:56.390 cup. A 36 00:01:57.350 --> 00:01:58.470 gallon. He's got one of 37 00:01:58.470 --> 00:01:59.430 those gallon. 38 00:01:59.590 --> 00:02:01.270 The things that truckers have. 39 00:02:01.270 --> 00:02:03.910 I have not successfully gotten any coffee 40 00:02:03.910 --> 00:02:06.390 in my hands today. I am the worst for wear because of it. 41 00:02:06.655 --> 00:02:07.535 Oh, no. But 42 00:02:07.535 --> 00:02:09.135 you could not be more incorrect. 43 00:02:09.135 --> 00:02:10.735 Could not be more incorrect. 44 00:02:10.815 --> 00:02:12.655 This is the host we're here to trust. 45 00:02:12.815 --> 00:02:16.415 Yeah. This is also an episode in which I 46 00:02:16.415 --> 00:02:21.540 announce my retirement. Like to apologize to the audience. I've 47 00:02:21.540 --> 00:02:22.980 said some things that I regret. 48 00:02:24.340 --> 00:02:26.020 I'm listening. I'm learning. 49 00:02:26.500 --> 00:02:28.820 No. I'd like to make it clear. I'm not learning. 50 00:02:28.820 --> 00:02:36.545 I'm just I'm just leaning. Hans Buto, never post senior 51 00:02:36.545 --> 00:02:37.265 producer. 52 00:02:37.425 --> 00:02:39.505 This is I'm holding it up. The mug that I drank 53 00:02:39.505 --> 00:02:40.625 coffee out of. So 54 00:02:40.865 --> 00:02:44.705 10:12. Ten head. Okay. Georgia Hampton, never 55 00:02:44.705 --> 00:02:47.345 post producer. Not applicable tea. 56 00:02:47.790 --> 00:02:51.630 Oh. You could not be more wrong. You could not 57 00:02:51.630 --> 00:02:55.710 be more wrong. Not only do I drink coffee, I only drink black 58 00:02:55.710 --> 00:02:56.350 coffee. 59 00:02:56.430 --> 00:02:57.070 Okay. 60 00:02:57.230 --> 00:03:01.325 I'd say a safe, like, eight ounces. But, oh, I 61 00:03:01.325 --> 00:03:02.365 drink coffee. 62 00:03:03.165 --> 00:03:04.685 Oh, that's right, folks. 63 00:03:04.685 --> 00:03:06.845 Oh, that's yeah. I don't mean to brag. 64 00:03:09.005 --> 00:03:11.405 And finally, Mike Rickenetta, host of the 65 00:03:11.405 --> 00:03:13.805 podcast who apparently knows nothing about any of us. 66 00:03:13.805 --> 00:03:16.800 Yes. It's been now We're in the third year. 67 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:21.440 Years. I pretty much always drink iced coffee in 68 00:03:21.440 --> 00:03:24.240 the morning, and I think that I probably had about 16 ounces of 69 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:25.200 iced coffee this morning. 70 00:03:25.200 --> 00:03:26.320 I think you're the winner. 71 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:29.760 So yeah. And I'm your host, Mike Rugnetta. The 72 00:03:29.760 --> 00:03:33.805 four of us here make up the secret cabal that own and run 73 00:03:33.805 --> 00:03:39.165 the show. We build this pod with our bare hands from shiny 74 00:03:39.165 --> 00:03:44.205 trinkets that we find on the sidewalk. And you may be saying 75 00:03:44.205 --> 00:03:46.110 at this point, hold on. 76 00:03:46.110 --> 00:03:46.750 Wait a second. 77 00:03:46.750 --> 00:03:48.190 Eagle eared listeners may know this. 78 00:03:48.190 --> 00:03:49.710 Who the hell was that? 79 00:03:49.790 --> 00:03:52.430 You did one of these last year, and only three 80 00:03:52.430 --> 00:03:53.310 of you were here. 81 00:03:53.390 --> 00:03:55.550 And now there's four of you. 82 00:03:55.870 --> 00:03:57.550 And we hate change. 83 00:03:59.705 --> 00:04:02.425 So prepare for an episode full of change. Yes. 84 00:04:04.345 --> 00:04:07.465 Everybody strap in. Get get your favorite stuffy 85 00:04:07.465 --> 00:04:09.625 and Yeah. Hunk it down under that blanket. 86 00:04:09.625 --> 00:04:10.345 Get your own mug. 87 00:04:11.030 --> 00:04:12.870 The big update that we have to share right up 88 00:04:12.870 --> 00:04:17.510 top is that Producer Georgia has been made a full partner of the 89 00:04:17.510 --> 00:04:20.630 show. So welcome, Producer Georgia. 90 00:04:20.630 --> 00:04:21.510 Woo hoo. 91 00:04:21.670 --> 00:04:24.865 Speech. Speech. Speech. The haters tried to 92 00:04:24.865 --> 00:04:25.985 sabotage me. 93 00:04:26.465 --> 00:04:26.785 They did. 94 00:04:26.785 --> 00:04:28.865 They said a girl like me could never be a 95 00:04:28.865 --> 00:04:30.305 partner of a podcast. 96 00:04:30.465 --> 00:04:31.425 Name them. 97 00:04:32.625 --> 00:04:38.740 I unveil a long scroll. And now I'm in. And I'm 98 00:04:38.740 --> 00:04:40.260 changing all the passwords. 99 00:04:41.940 --> 00:04:44.020 Actually, what what Georgia says is is 100 00:04:44.020 --> 00:04:47.700 relatively true. There is an amount of truth to that. Some of 101 00:04:47.700 --> 00:04:51.215 you may wonder, wait. Wasn't Georgia already a partner? What 102 00:04:51.215 --> 00:04:54.335 is the difference between then and now and so on and so forth? 103 00:04:54.415 --> 00:04:57.935 To which our most humble reply is, this upload is already going 104 00:04:57.935 --> 00:05:02.015 to be boring enough. Yeah. The most honest answer that we can 105 00:05:02.015 --> 00:05:05.760 give is that this means Georgia will be able to log in to 106 00:05:05.760 --> 00:05:08.960 slightly more That's so true. 107 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:12.960 As a little girl, I was dreaming of logging 108 00:05:12.960 --> 00:05:14.080 in to more websites. 109 00:05:14.080 --> 00:05:17.680 Of pushing the transcribe button Yes. And then 110 00:05:18.080 --> 00:05:19.200 waiting a few seconds. 111 00:05:21.325 --> 00:05:23.005 Alright. That's enough celebrating. Happy 112 00:05:23.005 --> 00:05:28.685 birthday to us. Let's be jolly. We made another year. 113 00:05:28.685 --> 00:05:31.805 We made in this year. Let's appreciate ourselves for a 114 00:05:31.805 --> 00:05:35.090 moment. It's just the four of us. Jason's gonna have the 115 00:05:35.090 --> 00:05:38.050 hardest time with this. Let's let's account for what we did 116 00:05:38.050 --> 00:05:38.850 this past year. 117 00:05:38.850 --> 00:05:43.490 In 2025, we made forty one and a half hours of livestream 118 00:05:43.490 --> 00:05:49.635 content. Wow. We published 27 newsletters. We published 26 119 00:05:49.795 --> 00:05:54.515 full episodes. We published nine sideshow episodes of three 120 00:05:54.515 --> 00:05:57.155 different shows, eight bonus and mailbag episodes, three 121 00:05:57.155 --> 00:06:00.035 collaborations with other shows, two T shirts, one distribution 122 00:06:00.035 --> 00:06:05.770 deal with Radiotopia, and zero, count them, zero social media 123 00:06:06.010 --> 00:06:06.650 posts. 124 00:06:06.650 --> 00:06:07.290 Yeah. 125 00:06:07.850 --> 00:06:10.650 There are I go and I check the never post blue 126 00:06:10.650 --> 00:06:11.370 sky every once in 127 00:06:11.370 --> 00:06:13.290 a while. Once in a while. And our most recent 128 00:06:13.290 --> 00:06:15.450 reply is from someone being like, I love that you've 129 00:06:15.450 --> 00:06:16.490 committed to this bit, and you 130 00:06:16.490 --> 00:06:18.330 haven't posted it. You haven't posted anything 131 00:06:18.330 --> 00:06:21.085 since before the show technically existed. 132 00:06:21.325 --> 00:06:23.805 And that's real dedication. Yeah. It's in the 133 00:06:23.805 --> 00:06:24.285 name. It's in 134 00:06:24.285 --> 00:06:26.205 the name. So how does it feel, everybody? How 135 00:06:26.365 --> 00:06:28.525 let's talk our feelings about this. How does that you know, 136 00:06:28.525 --> 00:06:31.485 like, broad sense, how do you feel about what we did in 2025? 137 00:06:32.285 --> 00:06:34.365 Good. I mean, the show is an incredible amount of 138 00:06:34.365 --> 00:06:37.760 work. So like, I look at '26 episodes and I'm like, really? 139 00:06:37.760 --> 00:06:40.960 Only 26? And then I'm like, if I made if I made more than that, I 140 00:06:40.960 --> 00:06:41.920 would have died. 141 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.000 Yes. Yeah. When you really string it out, I 142 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:47.280 guess we made a lot of things. 143 00:06:48.335 --> 00:06:49.055 Did we do 144 00:06:49.055 --> 00:06:51.055 we do folks feel like we were able to tell the 145 00:06:51.055 --> 00:06:53.695 kinds of stories that we wanted to and cover this type of stuff 146 00:06:53.695 --> 00:06:56.255 that we were looking to and that we had goals to do? 147 00:06:57.055 --> 00:06:59.375 Can I give like the my most earnest answer to 148 00:06:59.375 --> 00:06:59.695 this? 149 00:06:59.695 --> 00:07:01.720 We're talking about our feelings, Mike. 150 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:02.360 Yeah. Yeah. 151 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.160 No. But, like, that's okay. Yeah. You know, 152 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:09.240 like, I think I I just I feel like I can imagine all of the 153 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:13.080 things that I wanted to do, and I got to maybe a small 154 00:07:13.080 --> 00:07:14.360 percentage of them. Yeah. 155 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.415 Yeah. I can imagine, like, you know, even things that we did 156 00:07:17.415 --> 00:07:20.695 release, like, what more we could have done with some of 157 00:07:20.695 --> 00:07:23.735 those things and what what else sort of like we had to leave on 158 00:07:23.735 --> 00:07:26.855 the table just because of how much time we have to make the 159 00:07:26.855 --> 00:07:30.190 show, the resources that we have. And, like, the stuff that 160 00:07:30.190 --> 00:07:33.390 we put out is great, but I just can't not also think about, 161 00:07:33.390 --> 00:07:33.790 like, 162 00:07:33.950 --> 00:07:36.110 oh, if only we could've if only we could've 163 00:07:36.270 --> 00:07:36.430 Yeah. 164 00:07:36.510 --> 00:07:38.110 Which is just like the nature of making 165 00:07:38.110 --> 00:07:42.030 something, but it's it's good because it's motivating. Right? 166 00:07:42.030 --> 00:07:42.430 Totally. 167 00:07:42.430 --> 00:07:44.845 Like, we know I know we can do it. You just take 168 00:07:44.845 --> 00:07:47.885 that lesson forward to the next thing and hopefully hit all of 169 00:07:47.885 --> 00:07:50.445 those marks for future stuff. 170 00:07:50.605 --> 00:07:50.925 Yeah. 171 00:07:50.925 --> 00:07:52.525 Yeah. I totally agree. 172 00:07:52.605 --> 00:07:53.805 But did we have fun? 173 00:07:54.125 --> 00:07:56.205 Oh, god. Yeah. Absolutely. 174 00:07:57.350 --> 00:07:59.350 Yeah. Unquestionable. Yes. 175 00:07:59.430 --> 00:08:01.510 I would never allow us. 176 00:08:03.190 --> 00:08:05.030 Georgia's putting on the clown makeup. Oh, she's 177 00:08:05.030 --> 00:08:06.710 putting on the clown makeup right now. 178 00:08:06.710 --> 00:08:08.070 Clown makeup has been on. 179 00:08:08.070 --> 00:08:09.270 This is fun. I 180 00:08:11.350 --> 00:08:14.245 love fun as we all know. We had fun. 181 00:08:14.645 --> 00:08:18.565 There are segments in the pile for each of 182 00:08:18.565 --> 00:08:21.205 us that have been on the pile for the entire year that I wish 183 00:08:21.205 --> 00:08:24.405 we had been able to do that we still will do at some point, but 184 00:08:24.405 --> 00:08:27.440 that is also the nature of it. Like prioritization becomes such 185 00:08:27.440 --> 00:08:30.720 a task. There are so many good things that I know how they're 186 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.080 going to be made when they are able to be made, and I look 187 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:34.960 forward to them. 188 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.200 I had a lot of fun making content and making 189 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:41.135 stories and hanging out with you as a crew. I think the thing 190 00:08:41.135 --> 00:08:43.775 that was the biggest addition this year was developing and 191 00:08:43.775 --> 00:08:48.255 getting closer to the audience. I felt so good getting to do our 192 00:08:48.255 --> 00:08:50.575 streams, getting to know the chat a little bit more, getting 193 00:08:50.575 --> 00:08:53.870 to field more questions in mailbags. It's one of the 194 00:08:53.870 --> 00:08:56.350 reasons that I was excited to do this show is to be a little bit 195 00:08:56.350 --> 00:09:00.670 closer to you all, and that feels like it's happening more 196 00:09:00.670 --> 00:09:02.990 and more, and that to me is a lot of fun. So that's been 197 00:09:02.990 --> 00:09:03.790 really gratifying, and I 198 00:09:03.790 --> 00:09:04.510 hope to do more of that. 199 00:09:04.745 --> 00:09:07.385 This raises a a question that we did not discuss 200 00:09:07.385 --> 00:09:11.145 before beforehand. So I'm sorry if this is ambushing everybody. 201 00:09:11.225 --> 00:09:13.065 Do we think we're gonna do another survey? 202 00:09:13.305 --> 00:09:15.625 Let's do a survey of the audience. Do you want us 203 00:09:15.625 --> 00:09:17.145 to know more about you and do a survey? 204 00:09:18.450 --> 00:09:19.250 Do you do 205 00:09:19.250 --> 00:09:22.050 you want us to want to know more about you? 206 00:09:22.370 --> 00:09:25.730 Fill out fill out this survey to determine if we'll do a survey. 207 00:09:25.730 --> 00:09:27.170 It'll be in the newsletter. Don't worry about 208 00:09:27.170 --> 00:09:27.650 it. 209 00:09:27.650 --> 00:09:30.875 Well, I think it's a good teaser forward, Mike, to 210 00:09:30.875 --> 00:09:33.275 what we're gonna announce because there are some changes 211 00:09:33.275 --> 00:09:37.195 coming that we're gonna talk about later in the in the 212 00:09:37.195 --> 00:09:38.955 episode, and I think I would like some feedback. I would like 213 00:09:38.955 --> 00:09:41.435 to know more about what people think of them. And, yeah, I 214 00:09:41.435 --> 00:09:43.995 think it's appropriate for us maybe sometime this year to do 215 00:09:43.995 --> 00:09:47.860 another survey to get feedback from folks in a more specific 216 00:09:47.860 --> 00:09:53.140 way. Yeah. So one of our goals in 2025 was definitely to do 217 00:09:53.140 --> 00:09:56.500 more of the show, as we call it, on purpose. 218 00:09:56.500 --> 00:09:58.820 Doing the show on purpose. It's a thing we talked about at this 219 00:09:58.820 --> 00:10:03.975 episode last year was how we sometimes were successful at 220 00:10:03.975 --> 00:10:06.855 doing it on purpose, but not as often as we think we should be 221 00:10:06.855 --> 00:10:10.135 or want to be. And so my question for you is, you three, 222 00:10:10.135 --> 00:10:13.575 is did we do the show more on purpose in 2025, which was our 223 00:10:13.575 --> 00:10:14.055 goal? 224 00:10:14.055 --> 00:10:17.430 Yes. I think so. Indeed. I think that we could 225 00:10:17.430 --> 00:10:20.550 still do it even more on purpose. Mhmm. 226 00:10:20.550 --> 00:10:23.590 But I think we did a better job this year than we did last year. 227 00:10:23.670 --> 00:10:26.230 Yeah. Yeah. So just for the audience, like, let's talk a 228 00:10:26.230 --> 00:10:29.665 little bit about maybe what that feels like. Like, when we're not 229 00:10:29.665 --> 00:10:32.705 doing the show on purpose, what that means is that we're, like, 230 00:10:33.265 --> 00:10:36.465 just trying to get things in as quickly as possible so that 231 00:10:36.465 --> 00:10:38.385 they're in so that we can publish a show. 232 00:10:38.545 --> 00:10:40.865 And that's not to say that those things don't have we don't have 233 00:10:40.865 --> 00:10:44.130 standards for those things or that we don't want them to be 234 00:10:44.130 --> 00:10:48.930 good. It just means that we get to be slightly less intentional 235 00:10:49.090 --> 00:10:51.730 about those things because we don't have the time or 236 00:10:51.730 --> 00:10:55.965 resources. And doing the show on purpose means, like, we are able 237 00:10:55.965 --> 00:10:58.845 to work with intention, and we are able to put something out 238 00:10:58.845 --> 00:11:03.965 and be like, this might not have everything we wanted in it, but 239 00:11:03.965 --> 00:11:07.085 it's got everything in it that we knew we could fit in the time 240 00:11:07.085 --> 00:11:10.060 frame we had to work on it. Yeah. And so when it's when it's 241 00:11:10.220 --> 00:11:12.860 when you were when we're not working on purpose, things go 242 00:11:12.860 --> 00:11:16.540 out and we may really like those things, but we might like them 243 00:11:16.540 --> 00:11:19.980 kind of like in spite of how they came together. 244 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:25.785 Mhmm. Or we might sort of be relying on luck a little bit 245 00:11:25.785 --> 00:11:27.305 more than we would like to. 246 00:11:27.385 --> 00:11:28.185 Big time. 247 00:11:28.185 --> 00:11:30.265 Yeah. And so the idea is that we are we are 248 00:11:30.265 --> 00:11:33.785 always, even when we are strapped for time or resources, 249 00:11:33.865 --> 00:11:36.105 trying to work with as much intention as we can. 250 00:11:36.265 --> 00:11:37.750 And I think we did a good job of that this 251 00:11:37.750 --> 00:11:39.830 year. I think there's always room for improvement, but I 252 00:11:39.830 --> 00:11:41.750 definitely think it was an improvement. 253 00:11:41.750 --> 00:11:41.990 Yeah. 254 00:11:41.990 --> 00:11:44.230 Yeah. I do honestly think a part of that is 255 00:11:44.230 --> 00:11:47.750 that the show was put into an existential crisis because of 256 00:11:47.750 --> 00:11:50.655 the loss of our client work, but the loss of our client work does 257 00:11:50.655 --> 00:11:53.855 allow us to work with more intention because we are not 258 00:11:53.935 --> 00:11:57.055 saddled with tons of client work. 259 00:11:57.135 --> 00:11:57.695 Mhmm. I 260 00:11:58.335 --> 00:12:00.415 think that's a really good transition for us, 261 00:12:00.415 --> 00:12:04.840 Mike, because let's talk a little bit about the details of 262 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:09.080 what all this means. Feelings are great, but what's the what's 263 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:13.080 the brass tacks here? So let's talk those dirty details and 264 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:17.080 what those details mean for the future of the show. And spoiler 265 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.405 on this, There's changes that come in. 266 00:12:19.565 --> 00:12:22.045 Mhmm. But first, there's ads that come in. 267 00:12:26.605 --> 00:12:31.085 Welcome back. Thank you for participating in 268 00:12:31.085 --> 00:12:35.480 the very numbers I'm about to talk about. We don't 269 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.480 wanna say that our audience is nothing but a 270 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:40.520 number to us, but you are definitely at least part, in 271 00:12:40.520 --> 00:12:41.480 part, a number We, to 272 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.640 by the numbers, I think had a good year 273 00:12:45.640 --> 00:12:48.065 last year, and I can prove it because that's what you use 274 00:12:48.065 --> 00:12:52.705 numbers to do. First off, how many people listen to this show? 275 00:12:52.865 --> 00:12:59.025 Great question. We believe that we had 226,000 total listens 276 00:12:59.025 --> 00:13:01.760 last year. Now why do I say we believe? 277 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:05.360 Because this is podcast metrics and literally anything is 278 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:09.200 possible. You have to know this about podcasting. Every number 279 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:14.185 is a lie. Yep. And yet, this is the number we're going with. 280 00:13:14.425 --> 00:13:16.905 There's also the added caveat this year that 281 00:13:16.905 --> 00:13:20.505 because we switched to Radiotopia in March, we had to 282 00:13:20.505 --> 00:13:25.465 switch platforms that we publish on, which means our numbers 283 00:13:25.710 --> 00:13:28.830 metrics change because everybody measures just slightly 284 00:13:28.830 --> 00:13:32.910 differently, and we're not sure, like, during that period of 285 00:13:32.910 --> 00:13:36.110 transition, how many are duplicated or not duplicated. So 286 00:13:36.110 --> 00:13:38.990 we did some really what we think is the best math to get this, 287 00:13:38.990 --> 00:13:41.645 but, you know, it's it's always a question mark for us. We take 288 00:13:41.645 --> 00:13:47.165 it roughly. Know that this is about 226,000 listens in 2025. 289 00:13:47.325 --> 00:13:50.285 So how does 226,000 listeners stack up to 290 00:13:50.285 --> 00:13:57.620 our first year, 2,024? Well, that is 9,000 more listeners 291 00:13:57.620 --> 00:13:58.980 than the preceding year. 292 00:13:59.060 --> 00:14:02.180 So like nine nine thousand more individual 293 00:14:02.180 --> 00:14:02.980 downloads. 294 00:14:02.980 --> 00:14:06.975 Yes. Yes. And I think that that number is a 295 00:14:06.975 --> 00:14:10.815 lot better than it initially looks and I will tell you why 296 00:14:11.375 --> 00:14:12.255 later. 297 00:14:12.415 --> 00:14:13.375 Okay. Alright. Yeah. 298 00:14:13.375 --> 00:14:14.255 So tell me why. 299 00:14:14.255 --> 00:14:16.575 But for now, know that we had more listens 300 00:14:16.575 --> 00:14:18.095 this year. We grew a little bit. 301 00:14:18.095 --> 00:14:20.015 Yeah. I wanna have grown more but I'm excited 302 00:14:20.015 --> 00:14:22.310 to hear why I should shut my mouth. Yeah. 303 00:14:24.070 --> 00:14:26.230 Shut your mouth and get me that coffee. 304 00:14:27.510 --> 00:14:30.070 One other thing that people who listened to this state of the 305 00:14:30.070 --> 00:14:33.430 podcast last year might recall is that we have an incredibly 306 00:14:33.430 --> 00:14:37.315 large amount of international listeners. And this year, that 307 00:14:37.315 --> 00:14:43.635 only became more true. 35% of the IP addresses we can track as 308 00:14:43.635 --> 00:14:48.675 listeners are international, which is 5% more than last year. 309 00:14:48.675 --> 00:14:49.620 Yeah. That's okay, 310 00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:50.580 that seems crazy. 311 00:14:50.580 --> 00:14:52.340 Right? Been wild to me. 312 00:14:52.340 --> 00:14:54.100 I love this especially because one of our 313 00:14:54.100 --> 00:14:57.380 initial concerns going into this is that we'd not be too American 314 00:14:57.380 --> 00:15:01.060 centric when we talk about the Internet and try to acknowledge 315 00:15:01.060 --> 00:15:05.225 that it is a global service. And I think this hopefully points to 316 00:15:05.225 --> 00:15:07.545 some success in that regard. 317 00:15:07.625 --> 00:15:10.025 Yeah. And we have some cool episodes coming up 318 00:15:10.025 --> 00:15:12.825 that are from international spaces talking about the 319 00:15:12.825 --> 00:15:15.145 Internet in a couple of different places that are really 320 00:15:15.145 --> 00:15:19.710 exciting. So Yeah. You know, we hope that this makes everybody, 321 00:15:19.790 --> 00:15:22.110 that 35% of you who are not in The United States, feel very 322 00:15:22.110 --> 00:15:24.030 included. I mean, apparently you are because you're listening, 323 00:15:24.030 --> 00:15:24.990 and we really appreciate that. 324 00:15:24.990 --> 00:15:25.950 It's very exciting. 325 00:15:26.030 --> 00:15:29.550 We really do. Hans, do you have the list of 326 00:15:29.870 --> 00:15:32.190 countries that listen to us the most handy? 327 00:15:32.575 --> 00:15:36.175 One imagines it's the it's the top four, like, 328 00:15:36.175 --> 00:15:40.015 English speaking. So it's gonna be Us, Canada, The UK, and 329 00:15:40.015 --> 00:15:43.855 Australia followed, I would guess, maybe a Brazil or a 330 00:15:43.855 --> 00:15:44.335 Germany. 331 00:15:44.335 --> 00:15:47.840 You're you're very, very close. But there's a couple 332 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:50.080 of those that are out of order. So, of course, United States is 333 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:51.600 first by 65%. 334 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:52.640 Yeah. Fair margin. Yeah. 335 00:15:52.640 --> 00:15:55.760 Yes. Then Canada, yes, our dear neighbors to the 336 00:15:55.760 --> 00:16:00.595 north. United Kingdom, nailed it, then Germany. That's right. 337 00:16:00.595 --> 00:16:02.435 So that was the thing that we discussed most 338 00:16:02.435 --> 00:16:02.835 recently. 339 00:16:02.835 --> 00:16:06.035 Yep. More Germans by almost double from 340 00:16:06.035 --> 00:16:08.035 Australians who were the next one after that. 341 00:16:08.115 --> 00:16:08.675 Who are 342 00:16:08.675 --> 00:16:11.955 then double again from The Netherlands. And you 343 00:16:11.955 --> 00:16:12.835 know who beat Brazil? 344 00:16:13.040 --> 00:16:14.160 Xi Jinping. 345 00:16:16.160 --> 00:16:18.160 Jinping specifically. Just himself 346 00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:19.280 listened to our 347 00:16:19.280 --> 00:16:20.080 show Okay. 348 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.280 Thousands and thousands of times. Huge fan. 349 00:16:23.680 --> 00:16:24.160 No. 350 00:16:25.760 --> 00:16:30.445 Jason's favorite fan country. What? Wait. France. 351 00:16:30.925 --> 00:16:31.965 No way. 352 00:16:31.965 --> 00:16:34.205 Beat Brazil? Beat Brazil. 353 00:16:34.205 --> 00:16:36.205 I've been wrong this whole time, France. 354 00:16:36.525 --> 00:16:40.205 Soccer blue. My favorite country in the world, France. You did 355 00:16:40.205 --> 00:16:41.200 it. You're back. 356 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.000 I just had to give you a little bit of tough love for the whole 357 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.040 calendar year because last year you weren't listening and this 358 00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:50.480 is what this is what they like. They like a little bit of the 359 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:51.440 harshness. 360 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.455 Through reverse psychology, by next year, we 361 00:16:54.455 --> 00:16:56.935 will be the number one podcast in France. 362 00:16:56.935 --> 00:16:59.575 Yes. That's right. Should double down. 363 00:16:59.575 --> 00:17:02.935 Words. France, I'm still disappointed. 364 00:17:02.935 --> 00:17:06.215 Well, that's all very exciting. Now let's break this number down 365 00:17:06.215 --> 00:17:11.060 a little bit more. So by our best estimates, what our 366 00:17:11.060 --> 00:17:13.860 listenership number means is that per episode, we get about 367 00:17:13.860 --> 00:17:18.580 four to 8,000 listeners on any given normal drop, averaging out 368 00:17:18.580 --> 00:17:25.305 to, like, 6,600 listeners per episode, which is a bit more 369 00:17:25.305 --> 00:17:28.345 than we were averaging out to last year, certainly. 370 00:17:28.665 --> 00:17:31.385 I would say that the if my memory serves, the 371 00:17:31.385 --> 00:17:37.785 increase in that number seems to outpace the overall total 372 00:17:37.785 --> 00:17:39.625 listens, which seems strange. 373 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:43.040 Yeah. I think we did more bonus episodes this 374 00:17:43.040 --> 00:17:43.520 year. 375 00:17:43.600 --> 00:17:46.640 Oh. Yeah. Okay. And this is still not why 376 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:52.080 I think that that 9,000 listener gain we got over last year is a 377 00:17:52.080 --> 00:17:54.425 better number than you think it is. Okay. 378 00:17:54.425 --> 00:17:56.345 And I still refuse to tell you. Okay. 379 00:17:56.345 --> 00:17:57.945 Exciting. Exciting. 380 00:17:57.945 --> 00:17:59.865 Next up. Suspense is increasing. 381 00:17:59.865 --> 00:18:02.825 Our biggest episodes for the year. In March, 382 00:18:03.225 --> 00:18:05.785 we released an episode called the hardest thing to do is 383 00:18:05.785 --> 00:18:08.960 nothing, which was our biggest downloaded episode because that 384 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.560 is the first one we released after announcing that we were 385 00:18:12.560 --> 00:18:14.160 partnering with Radiotopia. 386 00:18:14.320 --> 00:18:16.240 Hardest thing to do is nothing was an episode 387 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.360 where Georgia did the no buy challenge. 388 00:18:19.360 --> 00:18:20.160 I sure did. 389 00:18:20.695 --> 00:18:23.015 And I talked to Mike Masnik about section two 390 00:18:23.015 --> 00:18:23.575 thirty. 391 00:18:23.575 --> 00:18:26.535 Yeah. Which is a very always worth returning to. 392 00:18:26.535 --> 00:18:28.855 Yeah. Our second most listened to episode 393 00:18:29.015 --> 00:18:33.495 was Any Rigid Idea About Yourself Is A Prison featuring 394 00:18:33.495 --> 00:18:36.930 friend of the show, host of the unraveling podcast from the 395 00:18:36.930 --> 00:18:38.930 Brattleboro Retreat, Kurt White. 396 00:18:39.090 --> 00:18:41.170 And we had a segment from a contributing 397 00:18:41.170 --> 00:18:44.690 producer that episode as well, Young Naparc, about why LinkedIn 398 00:18:44.690 --> 00:18:50.050 is that way. Yeah. So yeah. Sorry. Listen, we're trying to 399 00:18:50.050 --> 00:18:50.530 turn it off. 400 00:18:50.505 --> 00:18:52.025 We're trying to turn it off. 401 00:18:52.025 --> 00:18:54.745 Our most recent episode to have done 402 00:18:54.745 --> 00:18:59.305 bigger numbers than usually expected is AI and new American 403 00:18:59.305 --> 00:19:02.505 fascism. Mhmm. So those are sort of the bigger numbers about how 404 00:19:02.505 --> 00:19:05.145 our audience has grown over the last year. I feel pretty great 405 00:19:05.145 --> 00:19:07.600 about all of this, honestly. Here are some of the reasons 406 00:19:07.600 --> 00:19:10.640 that I feel extra good about last year. 407 00:19:11.520 --> 00:19:16.080 The growth in our membership, the people directly supporting 408 00:19:16.080 --> 00:19:19.600 us both as free members who are getting our newsletters and 409 00:19:19.600 --> 00:19:22.160 staying abreast of all the things we do and as paid members 410 00:19:22.285 --> 00:19:25.485 who are the reason we can make a show at all, those numbers have 411 00:19:25.485 --> 00:19:33.405 gone up a lot this year. We have an increase of a 135% year over 412 00:19:33.405 --> 00:19:38.860 year in membership and we now have 889 members. 413 00:19:38.940 --> 00:19:41.580 Yeah. Unbelievable. Oh my goodness. 414 00:19:41.580 --> 00:19:42.780 Now if you think about this, like, big 415 00:19:42.780 --> 00:19:46.380 number that we started with, like, four to 8,000 listeners 416 00:19:46.380 --> 00:19:50.615 per episode about, and do the math on what percentage of that 417 00:19:50.615 --> 00:19:55.655 889 people is, it's a big. 418 00:19:55.655 --> 00:19:57.095 It's big. Yeah. 419 00:19:57.095 --> 00:19:59.975 Yeah. Yeah. In fact, it is so big that we 420 00:19:59.975 --> 00:20:03.660 have been told we are over indexing on loyalty, which is a 421 00:20:03.660 --> 00:20:08.300 cool business way to say that you guys fucking rule. Yeah. 422 00:20:08.620 --> 00:20:11.660 We're in meetings where people are like, people 423 00:20:12.460 --> 00:20:14.140 really like your show? 424 00:20:16.475 --> 00:20:18.715 And to that end, our membership increased by 425 00:20:18.715 --> 00:20:24.235 a 135, but our paying members increased by 303%. 426 00:20:24.315 --> 00:20:24.875 Yeah. They 427 00:20:24.875 --> 00:20:27.755 have 613 428 00:20:27.755 --> 00:20:31.410 paying members. Thank you. Incredible. 429 00:20:31.410 --> 00:20:32.130 Thank you. 430 00:20:32.210 --> 00:20:34.850 Literally, the the reason the show exists. 431 00:20:34.850 --> 00:20:35.010 Yeah. 432 00:20:35.010 --> 00:20:35.570 It's true. 433 00:20:35.570 --> 00:20:36.770 Yeah. So what did that all amount to 434 00:20:36.770 --> 00:20:40.450 financially? This is where take out your calculators here. This 435 00:20:40.450 --> 00:20:45.625 is where we get down to hard maths. Last year, we made 436 00:20:46.185 --> 00:20:49.465 $40,000 from members. 437 00:20:49.465 --> 00:20:56.830 To be exact, $40,111.52 from our members. In addition, we made 438 00:20:56.830 --> 00:21:01.150 almost $4,000 from making t shirts. Yay. And let me tell 439 00:21:01.150 --> 00:21:04.750 you, this is just gross revenue. So when I say we made that much 440 00:21:04.750 --> 00:21:08.350 money on t shirts, we made $0 on t Yeah. 441 00:21:10.115 --> 00:21:11.075 If we also, like, 442 00:21:11.075 --> 00:21:13.075 if we include Jason's time in fulfillment, I 443 00:21:13.075 --> 00:21:15.395 think we probably lost money. Yeah. Yeah. 444 00:21:15.875 --> 00:21:18.355 Well as paying two designers to make the 445 00:21:18.355 --> 00:21:21.315 t shirts, paying an amazing printer to print them out. 446 00:21:21.315 --> 00:21:23.330 We look so good. 447 00:21:23.570 --> 00:21:24.050 Yeah. Yeah. 448 00:21:24.050 --> 00:21:26.210 So I mean, they are the best. They are some of 449 00:21:26.210 --> 00:21:28.450 the best shirts that I own. They're so Yeah. 450 00:21:28.450 --> 00:21:30.610 They're amazing. And it's worth it. It's 451 00:21:30.610 --> 00:21:34.210 it was fun as hell and now we get to wear these t shirts. So 452 00:21:34.210 --> 00:21:36.965 are we gonna do more t shirts in the future even though they 453 00:21:36.965 --> 00:21:38.725 amounts to $0 at the end? 454 00:21:38.885 --> 00:21:40.805 Absolutely. Yeah. Definitely. For sure. 455 00:21:40.805 --> 00:21:44.165 Can I just sidebar that my mom bought the 456 00:21:44.165 --> 00:21:47.685 punk design and she, like, wears it out when she goes to, like, 457 00:21:47.685 --> 00:21:48.485 her pottery studio? 458 00:21:50.380 --> 00:21:50.940 Yes. 459 00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:53.340 I love it. 460 00:21:53.340 --> 00:21:55.500 Does your mom need a shirt for the pottery 461 00:21:55.500 --> 00:21:59.260 studio? Come to never post. 462 00:21:59.260 --> 00:22:00.780 And one last note on the t shirts. 463 00:22:00.780 --> 00:22:05.895 International t shirt desirers, they're on their way. We had to 464 00:22:05.895 --> 00:22:06.855 figure it out. 465 00:22:06.935 --> 00:22:09.255 I think yeah. We basically just don't want them 466 00:22:09.255 --> 00:22:11.895 to show up and then to also have them show up with someone 467 00:22:11.895 --> 00:22:13.815 requesting lots of money from you. 468 00:22:13.815 --> 00:22:17.600 Yes. So are on their way. I promise. And 469 00:22:17.600 --> 00:22:24.880 then the final piece of the pie here, $7,500 in ad revenue. So 470 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:28.800 altogether, that means that we made for this year, gross 471 00:22:28.800 --> 00:22:35.755 revenue, $51,594.79. 472 00:22:35.915 --> 00:22:36.315 Oh. 473 00:22:36.315 --> 00:22:37.515 That's pretty good. That's not nothing. 474 00:22:37.515 --> 00:22:39.675 That's not nothing. It's a big improvement. Big 475 00:22:39.675 --> 00:22:41.115 improvement on 2024. 476 00:22:41.115 --> 00:22:43.035 Right. It is a big improvement over 2024 477 00:22:43.035 --> 00:22:48.190 because in 2024, the only money we made was from our dear 478 00:22:48.190 --> 00:22:51.630 founding members who showed up for the first year for us. And 479 00:22:51.630 --> 00:22:56.190 across the whole membership base, made $14,000 and some 480 00:22:56.190 --> 00:22:58.270 change there. So we have added 481 00:23:01.945 --> 00:23:04.025 Go ahead and just do that in your head right now. 482 00:23:07.465 --> 00:23:09.785 37 ish thousand dollars. 483 00:23:10.425 --> 00:23:11.800 Thought we're gonna have to turn you off and 484 00:23:11.800 --> 00:23:12.200 on again. 485 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.200 Hans, you're gonna cut the, like, twenty 486 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:16.760 minutes that that took for Jason to do the math. Right? 487 00:23:16.760 --> 00:23:17.240 Yeah. Yeah. 488 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:20.200 Yeah. I'll I'll drastically re breathe the 489 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:21.160 entire time. 490 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:23.735 It was really intense. He was crying. It was 491 00:23:23.735 --> 00:23:25.255 pretty rough. Wow. 492 00:23:26.135 --> 00:23:29.335 We're all doing our best. So where did 493 00:23:29.335 --> 00:23:32.455 that money go to? That money went to contributing producers 494 00:23:32.455 --> 00:23:35.175 like it always does. We had some great contributing producers 495 00:23:35.175 --> 00:23:38.430 this year. Tori Dominguez Peak, of course, delivering more 496 00:23:38.430 --> 00:23:39.230 amazing segments. 497 00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:42.430 Yagna Park in the aforementioned, why is LinkedIn 498 00:23:42.430 --> 00:23:46.190 like that segment? Melissa Locker who talked about Oasis 499 00:23:46.190 --> 00:23:50.430 fan clubs with us and friend of the show, Meagal Jenardin 500 00:23:50.430 --> 00:23:54.345 talking about her own struggles with attention. So we had 501 00:23:54.345 --> 00:23:58.425 brilliant contributor pieces, we made t shirts, 502 00:23:59.305 --> 00:24:00.105 and 503 00:24:02.105 --> 00:24:05.305 we maintained all of the softwares as a 504 00:24:05.305 --> 00:24:08.345 service that we know and love so much. All of our hosting and 505 00:24:08.345 --> 00:24:11.600 production tools, everything we have to subscribe to. 506 00:24:11.760 --> 00:24:14.080 We need to make sure we have lots of logins for 507 00:24:14.080 --> 00:24:14.720 Georgia. 508 00:24:14.800 --> 00:24:15.360 Yes. It's 509 00:24:15.360 --> 00:24:19.200 true. I need to be able to log in. 510 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:21.520 And then finally what we did is we 511 00:24:21.520 --> 00:24:25.680 basically refilled the coffers off of the ad dollars we had 512 00:24:25.445 --> 00:24:28.165 spent in 2024. 513 00:24:28.245 --> 00:24:30.245 Yeah. That's what I was gonna ask, Jason. My 514 00:24:30.245 --> 00:24:32.805 impression is that also a fair amount of this went towards 515 00:24:32.805 --> 00:24:37.205 recouping charts and leisure's costs over the first year, which 516 00:24:37.205 --> 00:24:40.165 were, let's say, not insignificant. 517 00:24:40.165 --> 00:24:40.325 Yeah. 518 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:45.480 So the first year, we spent, I think, around 519 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:51.800 $20,000 on ads. And we spent probably as much on PR and other 520 00:24:51.800 --> 00:24:58.145 functions to launch the show. Now think about this. This is 521 00:24:58.145 --> 00:25:01.985 where I reveal the prestige. Oh. 522 00:25:01.985 --> 00:25:08.225 If in 2024, we spent, let's call it $40,000 of marketing budget 523 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:19.120 to get 217,000 listens. And in 2025, we spent $0 to get 226,000 524 00:25:19.120 --> 00:25:25.095 listens. Does that 9,000 listener increase feel like a 525 00:25:25.095 --> 00:25:28.375 $40,000 worth of investment increase? 526 00:25:29.735 --> 00:25:30.695 The prestige. 527 00:25:31.175 --> 00:25:32.135 I see what you're saying. 528 00:25:32.135 --> 00:25:34.055 This is really good because this is the 529 00:25:34.055 --> 00:25:38.150 year we did not market. We established a relationship with 530 00:25:38.150 --> 00:25:39.110 Radiotopia. 531 00:25:39.110 --> 00:25:39.350 They have 532 00:25:39.350 --> 00:25:41.350 helped us immeasurably on this. We have 533 00:25:41.750 --> 00:25:45.750 engaged our own listeners and fans and supporters to help us 534 00:25:45.750 --> 00:25:49.670 get the word out. We have sent out newsletters. We have 535 00:25:49.670 --> 00:25:53.025 collaborated with other programs, but we have not spent 536 00:25:53.025 --> 00:25:56.785 any of this money in direct marketing like we did last year 537 00:25:56.785 --> 00:26:01.105 on Pocket Cast and Overcast and all the other casts that you 538 00:26:01.105 --> 00:26:04.145 could do this on, and yet we have more listeners than last 539 00:26:04.145 --> 00:26:07.810 year. Entirely owned by the things we made, not the money we 540 00:26:07.810 --> 00:26:08.610 sent out. 541 00:26:08.930 --> 00:26:12.050 So I think that is actually incredible. 542 00:26:12.210 --> 00:26:14.530 That's organic growth as you call it in the 543 00:26:14.530 --> 00:26:15.410 business. Yeah. Mhmm. 544 00:26:15.410 --> 00:26:18.290 And that's like a huge part of the runway 545 00:26:18.290 --> 00:26:22.185 of this show is can it persist organically without that 546 00:26:22.185 --> 00:26:25.065 marketing budget engine pushing on it? And this was the year we 547 00:26:25.065 --> 00:26:28.265 wanted to find out, and this is the year I believe we found out 548 00:26:28.265 --> 00:26:30.585 that, yes, that this is where we are. 549 00:26:30.585 --> 00:26:33.465 So Jason, to summarize, 300% growth in 550 00:26:33.465 --> 00:26:33.785 members 551 00:26:34.025 --> 00:26:34.265 Yes. 552 00:26:34.580 --> 00:26:37.060 Two big membership drives, distribution deal. We 553 00:26:37.060 --> 00:26:41.460 didn't spend money on the things on the marketing. We, you know, 554 00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:44.900 brought in more gross, all that sort of stuff. Did we do it? Did 555 00:26:44.900 --> 00:26:45.700 we hit our big goal? 556 00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:49.620 Our financial goals that we had set for 2025, which is to become 557 00:26:49.905 --> 00:26:50.945 self sustaining. 558 00:26:51.185 --> 00:26:55.505 Everyone all at once. One, two, three. No. 559 00:26:59.425 --> 00:27:01.905 I I will be the outside voice. But hold on. You 560 00:27:02.065 --> 00:27:04.305 we made $50,000. 561 00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:05.530 Fantastic. 562 00:27:05.610 --> 00:27:07.290 Yeah. Another way to think about this is I 563 00:27:07.290 --> 00:27:12.890 think we have organically grown to a size that is a fairly 564 00:27:12.890 --> 00:27:18.335 standard hobby podcast size for a person or two. And for if you 565 00:27:18.335 --> 00:27:20.255 were making a podcast as a person or two and you got to 566 00:27:20.255 --> 00:27:23.935 this size, in two years, you would be thrilled and you would 567 00:27:23.935 --> 00:27:26.975 probably be able to devote around half of your time to this 568 00:27:27.055 --> 00:27:30.760 and feel sufficiently remunerated for that time. But 569 00:27:30.760 --> 00:27:33.640 our aspiration is to be something larger and to be that 570 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:37.160 we need to be the size of team that we are. And we need to use 571 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.400 the budget that we have to have contributors come in and work 572 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.120 with other producers and maintain the relationships that 573 00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:44.440 we have. 574 00:27:44.565 --> 00:27:47.125 And so there's more we need to do with this. Yeah. And so we 575 00:27:47.125 --> 00:27:51.045 need to figure out ways that our listener base can also grow 576 00:27:51.045 --> 00:27:54.325 alongside us and support the rest of the growth that we need 577 00:27:54.325 --> 00:27:57.445 to do. And yet, I think we should acknowledge this is like 578 00:27:57.445 --> 00:28:01.800 a pretty incredible achievement for a show no matter how many 579 00:28:01.800 --> 00:28:05.400 people go into the making of it, that we have achieved a sense of 580 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:10.440 stability at a reasonable size for a audio program in a couple 581 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:13.480 of the weirdest years to be an independent audio program Yeah. 582 00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:14.200 There have ever been. 583 00:28:15.215 --> 00:28:18.575 So I think the upshot in a lot of this is that 584 00:28:18.575 --> 00:28:21.855 while the show is growing and we're feeling good about its 585 00:28:21.855 --> 00:28:25.215 growth, we're still not making something that, like, barring 586 00:28:25.215 --> 00:28:29.775 various circumstances, we'll definitely continue to be around 587 00:28:29.775 --> 00:28:33.780 for, you know, the next two to five years. Like, we are 588 00:28:33.780 --> 00:28:36.020 constantly I mean, we have these meetings. Like, we've had them 589 00:28:36.020 --> 00:28:39.140 as recently as a couple weeks ago where it's like, are we 590 00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:42.980 going to keep making the show? And we all continually agree, 591 00:28:42.980 --> 00:28:46.975 like, yes. It's hard, but we will continue to make the show. 592 00:28:47.295 --> 00:28:51.935 And so, you know, in looking forward to the next year, we're 593 00:28:51.935 --> 00:28:56.975 looking at 2026 to 2027. Like, what do we need? And, like, in 594 00:28:56.975 --> 00:28:59.810 one sense, the answer is really simple. We just need more money, 595 00:28:59.810 --> 00:29:02.130 more supporters, more members, more listeners, like, more of 596 00:29:02.130 --> 00:29:05.410 everything. And, like, if we don't get those things, like, 597 00:29:05.410 --> 00:29:06.850 does the show still exist? 598 00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:11.490 And that's just as much a question now as it has been for 599 00:29:11.490 --> 00:29:16.505 all of the show's existence. There's nothing in our rate of 600 00:29:16.505 --> 00:29:19.385 growth or our circumstances at the moment that let us say, 601 00:29:19.385 --> 00:29:22.505 like, yeah, we're definitely like, we're crushing it. We're 602 00:29:22.505 --> 00:29:26.585 not going anywhere. This is easy to do. And, like, we are 603 00:29:26.585 --> 00:29:28.585 definitely gonna be able to keep doing it indefinitely. 604 00:29:30.090 --> 00:29:33.690 You know? I think in a lot of ways, that puts us in a similar 605 00:29:33.690 --> 00:29:37.450 boat to probably a lot of things online that you like and listen 606 00:29:37.450 --> 00:29:41.930 to and watch and enjoy. It's a time that's really, especially 607 00:29:41.930 --> 00:29:45.405 in media, defined by precarity. 608 00:29:45.405 --> 00:29:49.085 Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. It is wild how net how 609 00:29:49.085 --> 00:29:53.965 many of the imprimatures of success we have walked through 610 00:29:53.965 --> 00:29:58.410 and then the the material returns on them. 611 00:29:58.410 --> 00:30:00.330 I have friends I have friends who are like, oh my 612 00:30:00.330 --> 00:30:03.210 god. How's the show going? It seems like it's doing really 613 00:30:03.210 --> 00:30:07.130 well. And and I get to be like, well, we've won a bunch of 614 00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:07.610 awards. 615 00:30:09.525 --> 00:30:10.805 We have a good time. 616 00:30:10.805 --> 00:30:13.125 Yeah. Which, 617 00:30:13.125 --> 00:30:14.885 like, I don't wanna seem ingrateful 618 00:30:15.045 --> 00:30:15.205 Yeah. 619 00:30:15.285 --> 00:30:19.125 For the awards. I love the awards. Love the 620 00:30:19.125 --> 00:30:19.845 recognition. 621 00:30:19.845 --> 00:30:21.285 Yeah. Yeah. This is the environment right 622 00:30:21.285 --> 00:30:24.085 now where, like, you can win a lot of awards. You can have a 623 00:30:24.280 --> 00:30:27.720 wonderful dedicated audience. You can make a show that you 624 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:32.600 love and that people respond to, and it is still not enough. 625 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:35.800 And A Webby doesn't pay your rent. 626 00:30:36.040 --> 00:30:38.200 As a matter of fact, a Webby costs you money. 627 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:38.360 Yeah. 628 00:30:38.360 --> 00:30:40.395 It actually super does. 629 00:30:40.555 --> 00:30:44.875 Yeah. And so we we should, and I am grateful 630 00:30:44.875 --> 00:30:48.235 for all of the the luck and the good breaks and everything else 631 00:30:48.235 --> 00:30:51.995 that we have had so far. And, like, if anything at Omi 632 00:30:51.995 --> 00:30:57.540 furthers my sense of, like, solidarity and despair at how 633 00:30:57.540 --> 00:30:59.780 difficult it is to be making anything right now for 634 00:30:59.780 --> 00:31:01.220 everybody. For real. Yeah. 635 00:31:01.220 --> 00:31:03.300 If we had done all of these things ten years ago, we would 636 00:31:03.300 --> 00:31:08.660 not be worried. And I'm sorry everyone's worried out there, 637 00:31:09.405 --> 00:31:11.165 but I am too. So 638 00:31:11.965 --> 00:31:14.445 speaking of, like, the people who listen to 639 00:31:14.445 --> 00:31:18.445 their show and their habits and what they're interested in, you 640 00:31:18.445 --> 00:31:22.520 two, Jason and Hans, were in a really interesting meeting with 641 00:31:22.520 --> 00:31:25.560 the, like, audience and analytics people at Radiotopia 642 00:31:25.560 --> 00:31:29.480 where they talked they, like, really did some divining of the 643 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:31.960 analytics and the numbers and said some really interesting 644 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.920 things. So I would like can you guys share some of that with the 645 00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:35.240 audience? 646 00:31:35.705 --> 00:31:36.265 Yeah. They 647 00:31:37.145 --> 00:31:40.585 with our need to grow, helped us understand that 648 00:31:40.585 --> 00:31:44.905 we are not really growing at a rate that we're talking about. 649 00:31:45.065 --> 00:31:49.465 And they said, like Jason said earlier, we over index on loyal. 650 00:31:50.360 --> 00:31:56.200 So we have super duper consistent numbers. You freaks 651 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.040 love to download an episode when it comes out. 652 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.320 And we download downloads. Oh, they would love 653 00:32:03.320 --> 00:32:05.000 to download those shit 654 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:06.105 goes for downloading. 655 00:32:06.105 --> 00:32:06.345 The show 656 00:32:06.345 --> 00:32:08.505 is called never post, not never download. 657 00:32:08.505 --> 00:32:12.345 Always download. And we love you for 658 00:32:12.505 --> 00:32:12.905 like, it 659 00:32:12.905 --> 00:32:15.625 is it's the reason that we can have the membership 660 00:32:15.625 --> 00:32:17.785 numbers that we do is because there's no No. Guild team in 661 00:32:18.745 --> 00:32:19.625 It's the best. 662 00:32:20.830 --> 00:32:24.430 But we need that, plus we need a bunch of other 663 00:32:24.430 --> 00:32:26.590 stuff that they told us we don't have. One of the things that 664 00:32:26.590 --> 00:32:28.830 they said that we don't really get, which really, really 665 00:32:28.830 --> 00:32:32.510 surprised them was any meaningful back catalog 666 00:32:32.510 --> 00:32:36.045 listening. Mhmm. Which means no one is going back and listening 667 00:32:36.045 --> 00:32:40.125 to stuff we have already done. They're really just consuming 668 00:32:40.125 --> 00:32:44.525 the the right now of things, the most recent episodes, despite us 669 00:32:44.765 --> 00:32:48.440 doing mostly evergreen content that could be consumed kind of 670 00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:49.000 at any time. 671 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.360 People are not going back to it. 672 00:32:50.360 --> 00:32:52.040 My impression after you guys left that meeting 673 00:32:52.040 --> 00:32:56.680 and you described it to us was that as weird as it is, the the 674 00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:01.800 degree to which it is weird that people will seemingly the bulk 675 00:33:01.800 --> 00:33:08.095 of our audience will download every episode when it's dropped. 676 00:33:08.575 --> 00:33:13.615 It is weird how little movement there is in older episodes once 677 00:33:13.615 --> 00:33:14.495 they've dropped. 678 00:33:14.495 --> 00:33:14.735 Yeah. 679 00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:16.980 I have a theory about this behavior that 680 00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:21.700 I've been calling the New Yorker theory of content consumption. 681 00:33:24.260 --> 00:33:25.460 TM. TM. 682 00:33:25.460 --> 00:33:28.815 Picture this. A fresh New Yorker comes in the 683 00:33:28.815 --> 00:33:30.255 mail. Oh, boy. 684 00:33:32.175 --> 00:33:34.095 Could you squeal with glee? 685 00:33:34.175 --> 00:33:37.535 I'm gonna open that bad boy up, and I sure 686 00:33:37.535 --> 00:33:41.310 do. And I sit down at my couch, and I open up my coffee table, 687 00:33:41.310 --> 00:33:43.070 and I start reading to that New Yorker. 688 00:33:43.070 --> 00:33:45.150 Open up coffee table. 689 00:33:48.350 --> 00:33:49.070 Jason. This 690 00:33:49.070 --> 00:33:49.630 is why you 691 00:33:49.630 --> 00:33:49.950 have trouble. 692 00:33:50.030 --> 00:33:52.750 Where I keep my readers, and I take my 693 00:33:52.750 --> 00:33:55.795 reading glasses out of the coffee table, put them on my 694 00:33:55.795 --> 00:34:01.875 face, and then I open up New Yorker the magazine. And I start 695 00:34:01.875 --> 00:34:04.355 reading and boy, I'm having a good time. And then I get up 696 00:34:04.355 --> 00:34:06.835 there, oh, the first big story is about to start. I get a 697 00:34:06.835 --> 00:34:10.330 couple pages in and then, oh, someone's calling me on my 698 00:34:10.330 --> 00:34:12.090 phone. I gotta talk to somebody. 699 00:34:12.890 --> 00:34:15.770 It's Mike and he wants to talk about esoteric noise music. 700 00:34:15.770 --> 00:34:20.970 Well, there it goes the day. And the New Yorker sits there on my 701 00:34:20.970 --> 00:34:23.290 coffee table, which I haven't even shut. 702 00:34:26.105 --> 00:34:28.105 You've got the best of intentions, you wanna return. 703 00:34:28.105 --> 00:34:30.905 I want you so badly. But then it's almost 704 00:34:30.905 --> 00:34:33.145 dinner time, I gotta make dinner. So next thing I 705 00:34:33.145 --> 00:34:35.385 know I'm calling again to talk 706 00:34:35.385 --> 00:34:36.025 about s 707 00:34:35.865 --> 00:34:37.990 It's always something. The music is only 708 00:34:37.990 --> 00:34:40.985 getting noisier and less diatonic. More esoteric. S 709 00:34:43.190 --> 00:34:47.830 Chasing missed call list is just me. It's just Mike every day. 710 00:34:48.950 --> 00:34:50.870 Next thing you know, a whole dang week has 711 00:34:50.870 --> 00:34:53.575 passed, and I'm finally getting ready to sit down and finish 712 00:34:53.575 --> 00:34:57.255 that beautiful New Yorker article and what's this? A knock 713 00:34:57.255 --> 00:35:03.335 at the door? It's my mailman. He says, Jason, great news. And I 714 00:35:03.335 --> 00:35:04.455 say, yes, Paul. 715 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:08.080 And he said, you're new New Yorker. The magazine is here. 716 00:35:08.080 --> 00:35:12.320 And I said, goddamn it. I'm so excited. And I rested out of his 717 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.800 grubby little hands and slammed the door on him. 718 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.680 And I go back to my coffee table, which I have to reopen. 719 00:35:19.735 --> 00:35:22.615 Put my readers on, and start digging into my new New Yorker 720 00:35:22.615 --> 00:35:26.455 sitting right on top of the old one, which I never even had the 721 00:35:26.455 --> 00:35:27.655 time to finish. 722 00:35:27.975 --> 00:35:29.895 So that was the analogy that Jason came up with 723 00:35:29.895 --> 00:35:32.775 in this meeting, which I think is actually pretty apt, but it 724 00:35:32.775 --> 00:35:36.540 was a really eye opening meeting for us. They put a thank you, 725 00:35:36.540 --> 00:35:39.260 Radiotopia, for putting that much work into really helping us 726 00:35:39.260 --> 00:35:43.180 understand the numbers that are happening. But it got it start 727 00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:46.540 it kicked off this months long conversation for us about we 728 00:35:46.540 --> 00:35:49.820 need to grow the show. We need more folks. We need more money. 729 00:35:50.265 --> 00:35:54.745 We're having these specific behaviors. How can we add to 730 00:35:54.745 --> 00:35:57.465 those specific behaviors with the growth that we need? 731 00:35:57.465 --> 00:35:59.145 And actually, I don't know that we mentioned it, 732 00:35:59.145 --> 00:36:03.010 but this is a very important part of the puzzle. Audience, we 733 00:36:03.010 --> 00:36:06.210 love you. Yeah. We really, really love you. We love that 734 00:36:06.210 --> 00:36:08.290 you listen to every episode. 735 00:36:08.290 --> 00:36:12.130 We love that you write in, that you call us. You send us emails. 736 00:36:12.130 --> 00:36:15.250 You send us voicemails. Not a one of you is finishing an 737 00:36:15.250 --> 00:36:15.570 episode. 738 00:36:17.145 --> 00:36:17.785 Did you how 739 00:36:17.785 --> 00:36:20.265 many of you know that there's a poem at the end 740 00:36:20.265 --> 00:36:21.385 of every episode? 741 00:36:21.625 --> 00:36:24.265 And there yeah. There has been every time. 742 00:36:25.945 --> 00:36:28.505 So and we say that that is not again, like, 743 00:36:28.505 --> 00:36:32.630 that's not a judgment. That's a note for us. Yep. Right? And I'd 744 00:36:32.630 --> 00:36:34.870 say this sort of half joking, like, yes, there are a bunch of 745 00:36:34.870 --> 00:36:37.110 you that actually do listen to a 100% of every episode. 746 00:36:37.110 --> 00:36:39.910 But percentage wise, of the number of people who start an 747 00:36:39.910 --> 00:36:44.165 episode, who download it, which is huge, the number of people 748 00:36:44.165 --> 00:36:47.365 who are listening through to the end of, let's say, the second 749 00:36:47.365 --> 00:36:51.925 segment, if we do a set if we do two segments, is relatively low. 750 00:36:51.925 --> 00:36:54.805 And so that's a problem that we need to solve. That is a problem 751 00:36:54.805 --> 00:36:58.085 with, as far as we see it, the design of the format of the 752 00:36:58.085 --> 00:36:58.245 show. 753 00:36:58.870 --> 00:37:01.750 So we made some decisions. 754 00:37:02.310 --> 00:37:02.710 Mhmm. 755 00:37:02.710 --> 00:37:05.430 We are gonna change things. 756 00:37:05.670 --> 00:37:07.590 We're buying the New Yorker. 757 00:37:08.950 --> 00:37:11.910 Is that New Yorker the magazine, Jason? 758 00:37:12.150 --> 00:37:15.735 I just need 40,000 more dollars, and I think 759 00:37:15.735 --> 00:37:17.015 they're gonna say yes. 760 00:37:17.415 --> 00:37:20.855 How much could New Yorker cost the entire 761 00:37:20.855 --> 00:37:23.415 company? So when we come back, 762 00:37:23.415 --> 00:37:26.055 let's talk about it. Our plan for 2026, the stuff 763 00:37:26.055 --> 00:37:28.215 that you can expect to shift, the stuff you can expect to stay 764 00:37:28.215 --> 00:37:30.590 the same, and how it all relates. 765 00:37:36.350 --> 00:37:39.310 Alright. We're back. So I think the headline 766 00:37:39.310 --> 00:37:44.085 here is that I think we're just gonna be doing more of what the 767 00:37:44.085 --> 00:37:48.085 show already has been doing over the last couple months. More. 768 00:37:48.085 --> 00:37:48.405 More. 769 00:37:48.405 --> 00:37:53.125 More. The Like, we're not we're not actually going to change too 770 00:37:53.125 --> 00:37:57.190 much. We are just going to acknowledge in a more official 771 00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:01.190 capacity what it seems like has been working over the last 772 00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:06.390 quarter of a year. And that means essentially uploading more 773 00:38:06.390 --> 00:38:10.575 things that are just a segment and sometimes even just a 774 00:38:10.575 --> 00:38:16.335 segment with no news. And so we're just gonna do more of that 775 00:38:16.335 --> 00:38:19.535 because based upon our analytics and based upon the feedback that 776 00:38:19.535 --> 00:38:22.175 we've been getting, it feels like that's what people want. 777 00:38:22.550 --> 00:38:25.830 People get excited when there's a new Neverpost upload that 778 00:38:25.830 --> 00:38:29.910 shows up in their feed. They we we get, like, all kinds of 779 00:38:29.910 --> 00:38:32.950 emails and notes from people being like, I love the show. If 780 00:38:32.950 --> 00:38:36.710 a new Neverpost shows up, I will stop a podcast that I'm 781 00:38:36.710 --> 00:38:40.325 currently listening to in order to listen to it, which is just 782 00:38:40.325 --> 00:38:43.765 like I mean, that's a massive compliment. And so we just are 783 00:38:43.765 --> 00:38:47.605 gonna increase the frequency with which that's done. That 784 00:38:47.605 --> 00:38:52.570 means overall that uploads will be shorter, but there's gonna be 785 00:38:52.570 --> 00:38:53.450 more of them. 786 00:38:53.770 --> 00:38:57.690 Does that mean news is going away? No. News I mean, we'll 787 00:38:57.690 --> 00:39:00.330 see. We're gonna be testing this out over the next couple months 788 00:39:00.410 --> 00:39:03.050 to see, like, what works, but the plan right now is that there 789 00:39:03.050 --> 00:39:09.605 will be one news episode per month at least, possibly two, 790 00:39:09.925 --> 00:39:13.445 and that between those, you're gonna get other uploads that are 791 00:39:13.445 --> 00:39:15.125 just classic segments. 792 00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:18.500 And I think this is gonna be really good for folks 793 00:39:18.500 --> 00:39:21.380 because it addresses another problem that we had, which we 794 00:39:21.380 --> 00:39:24.180 actually demonstrated earlier in this episode. When Jason was 795 00:39:24.180 --> 00:39:27.780 listing off the most popular episodes of the year, all four 796 00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:31.675 of us had to go to the feed to figure out what was on each of 797 00:39:31.675 --> 00:39:34.635 those episodes because we can't even remember what we've 798 00:39:34.635 --> 00:39:37.195 published in any individual episode, which means the 799 00:39:37.195 --> 00:39:39.595 discoverability is not high. We think this is gonna make it much 800 00:39:39.595 --> 00:39:44.360 easier for you to find, share, and remember where your favorite 801 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:48.280 episodes are so that you can get back to them more easily, and 802 00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.880 they become more useful in the back catalog. But but Hans 803 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.445 Yes. Yes, Mike. That's only true for episodes 804 00:39:55.445 --> 00:40:01.045 going forward. Right? What about what about episodes from the 805 00:40:01.045 --> 00:40:04.405 back catalog that our audience may have missed? 806 00:40:04.485 --> 00:40:05.685 What a good question. 807 00:40:06.870 --> 00:40:10.390 Wait a second. What's that? Is there a 808 00:40:10.390 --> 00:40:13.590 knock at my door? Let me go get it. 809 00:40:13.590 --> 00:40:14.310 Paul's gotta 810 00:40:14.470 --> 00:40:18.710 go. Paul's demanding to know what you're 811 00:40:18.710 --> 00:40:19.350 gonna say next. 812 00:40:20.075 --> 00:40:22.075 Boy, Jason, if only we had an answer to that 813 00:40:22.075 --> 00:40:22.875 question. What do think? 814 00:40:22.875 --> 00:40:24.795 Paul, calm down. I'm I'm I'm getting right 815 00:40:24.795 --> 00:40:26.555 to it. He's waving the gun around. 816 00:40:26.555 --> 00:40:30.955 Baby, please listen to me, Paul. So what 817 00:40:30.955 --> 00:40:34.990 we're gonna do, Paul, calm down, is we are going to release old 818 00:40:34.990 --> 00:40:38.910 segments from the past two years that have heretofore lived in 819 00:40:38.910 --> 00:40:41.470 the middle of a full never post episode behind a bunch of 820 00:40:41.470 --> 00:40:44.510 minutes of news between interstitials next to another 821 00:40:44.510 --> 00:40:48.190 segment, between that poem no one bothers to stick around and 822 00:40:48.190 --> 00:40:53.705 listen to. Paul, calm down. We're gonna bring them back in a 823 00:40:53.705 --> 00:40:56.505 timely fashion as they make sense to the events of the day 824 00:40:56.505 --> 00:40:58.425 and as they feel good to bring back. But we're gonna bring them 825 00:40:58.425 --> 00:41:02.185 back on their own, so they are discoverable and shareable and 826 00:41:02.185 --> 00:41:04.600 you can actually instead of saying like, oh, yeah. 827 00:41:04.600 --> 00:41:07.240 I heard that in this great Never Post episode a couple months 828 00:41:07.240 --> 00:41:11.640 ago, that is some oblique title, and I'm not sure exactly where 829 00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:13.960 it is in that. You can just say, oh, yeah. It's about this, and 830 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:14.840 it's called this, and 831 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:15.720 Here's a link. 832 00:41:15.720 --> 00:41:16.040 A link. 833 00:41:16.040 --> 00:41:16.360 Yep. 834 00:41:16.455 --> 00:41:19.095 Right. There is no reason for any of you to 835 00:41:19.095 --> 00:41:22.535 remember that Yungna Park's segment about Yep. LinkedIn is 836 00:41:22.535 --> 00:41:26.375 in the episode that is titled Any Rigid Idea About Yourself Is 837 00:41:26.375 --> 00:41:29.990 A Prison. Yep. Titled so for Kurt's segment. 838 00:41:29.990 --> 00:41:33.030 Yep. I and since we've been thinking about making this 839 00:41:33.030 --> 00:41:37.350 change, I've talked to a number of friends who make podcasts 840 00:41:37.350 --> 00:41:40.950 that are in segments. Like, there's a sort of thing that 841 00:41:40.950 --> 00:41:43.750 they do, and they do multiple of that thing per show. And I'm 842 00:41:43.750 --> 00:41:47.205 like, how do you solve the titling and the metadata problem 843 00:41:47.205 --> 00:41:50.885 of, like, you know, you've got something buried in the middle 844 00:41:50.885 --> 00:41:52.965 of an episode. You can only do one title. 845 00:41:52.965 --> 00:41:55.285 How do you make it clear to people who are looking for it 846 00:41:55.285 --> 00:41:57.870 later where it is? And every single one of them was like, I 847 00:41:57.870 --> 00:41:59.710 don't we don't know. We have no we have 848 00:42:00.830 --> 00:42:01.950 no clue. Yeah. 849 00:42:01.950 --> 00:42:04.430 So it turns out it turns out the right answer is 850 00:42:04.430 --> 00:42:07.310 maybe the simplest answer, which is everything should just be 851 00:42:07.310 --> 00:42:13.315 uploaded by itself. Yeah. Yeah. However so we all really love 852 00:42:13.395 --> 00:42:18.275 the Neverpost format of, like, the magazine show. Mhmm. 853 00:42:18.275 --> 00:42:21.555 You've got the intro, the news, a segment, the interstitials, 854 00:42:21.555 --> 00:42:23.795 like, this sort of, like, packaged up thing. 855 00:42:24.140 --> 00:42:26.380 And clearly, the people who listen also love it. 856 00:42:26.380 --> 00:42:27.180 Also love So, 857 00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:31.100 Jason, is that going to go away completely? 858 00:42:31.340 --> 00:42:34.700 No. It is not gonna go away completely. Here's 859 00:42:34.700 --> 00:42:37.855 another thing we learned from the analytics. You love the 860 00:42:37.855 --> 00:42:41.215 news. You get falloffs every time we transition to a new 861 00:42:41.215 --> 00:42:43.455 segment because that's just natural listening behavior. 862 00:42:43.455 --> 00:42:44.495 We give you an opportunity 863 00:42:44.495 --> 00:42:45.535 to put your phone down and take 864 00:42:45.535 --> 00:42:47.535 a break and you do. But everyone likes the 865 00:42:47.535 --> 00:42:50.430 news. Everyone listens to it and you download and listen to the 866 00:42:50.430 --> 00:42:53.070 show within moments of it coming out. So there's something about 867 00:42:53.070 --> 00:42:56.590 the timeliness and the newsiness of it is helpful. And we wanna 868 00:42:56.590 --> 00:42:59.870 preserve that and still give you news episodes, not just 869 00:42:59.870 --> 00:43:01.710 disembodied segments all the time. 870 00:43:02.430 --> 00:43:06.315 And those are the moments where I think we are going to push 871 00:43:06.315 --> 00:43:10.875 into exploring more of the classic Never format and some so 872 00:43:10.875 --> 00:43:13.675 if you think about, like, an episode coming out at the end of 873 00:43:13.675 --> 00:43:16.155 a month that's going to dive into what has happened to that 874 00:43:16.155 --> 00:43:20.430 month, I think that's largely going to feel like Neverpost has 875 00:43:20.430 --> 00:43:23.150 always felt. We are going to try to stretch and explore and 876 00:43:23.150 --> 00:43:25.950 figure out the most interesting way to provide something that is 877 00:43:25.950 --> 00:43:29.630 newsy and relevant and encapsulates the feeling of what 878 00:43:29.630 --> 00:43:34.235 a month has felt like for all of us, and it's going to give you 879 00:43:34.235 --> 00:43:38.155 all of the magazine feel that we also love about this format and 880 00:43:38.155 --> 00:43:41.195 we don't want to give up just because we're releasing segments 881 00:43:41.195 --> 00:43:44.635 on their own so you can also find them. We're gonna try to 882 00:43:44.635 --> 00:43:47.780 have our cake and eat it too. Oh, Paul is losing his mind. 883 00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:48.740 He's so happy about this. 884 00:43:48.740 --> 00:43:51.860 Paul, stop crying. I know, buddy. We had a plan the whole 885 00:43:51.860 --> 00:43:52.260 time. 886 00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:53.700 So some 887 00:43:53.700 --> 00:43:56.020 of that original never post flavor will persist. 888 00:43:56.180 --> 00:43:59.220 And I think that this is, like I think if you think about what 889 00:43:59.220 --> 00:44:03.755 we've been doing over the last few months, like Hans's 890 00:44:03.755 --> 00:44:08.555 Minneapolis episode, Meigle's attention episode, which, like, 891 00:44:08.555 --> 00:44:12.795 really was just like a double wide single Yeah. Exploring a 892 00:44:12.795 --> 00:44:15.995 single thought. Yeah. Like, we've been uploading more things 893 00:44:16.830 --> 00:44:18.990 that are just themselves. 894 00:44:19.230 --> 00:44:19.470 Mhmm. 895 00:44:19.470 --> 00:44:22.750 Uploads have a single identity as opposed to 896 00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:27.870 being this kind of multivalent, multipart thing where where a 897 00:44:27.870 --> 00:44:32.145 theme might be oblique or not clear or even nonexistent. And 898 00:44:32.145 --> 00:44:36.625 the response has been either positive or nonexistent, which 899 00:44:36.625 --> 00:44:39.825 is another way to say positive. Right? Like, when you change 900 00:44:39.825 --> 00:44:41.745 something and no one in the audience is like, wait. What the 901 00:44:41.745 --> 00:44:42.465 fuck are you doing? 902 00:44:42.465 --> 00:44:45.425 Stop it. That's good. Right? That means that it seems like a 903 00:44:45.425 --> 00:44:48.170 natural evolution of the show. So think we're just gonna lean 904 00:44:48.170 --> 00:44:50.890 into what we've been doing so far. 905 00:44:50.970 --> 00:44:54.330 Just try to do it as we talked about earlier, more on purpose. 906 00:44:54.330 --> 00:44:56.250 Yeah. And I think another thing that's going 907 00:44:56.250 --> 00:44:59.945 to help with intentionality there is that in conversations, 908 00:44:59.945 --> 00:45:02.505 we're starting to treat the whole feed as if the whole feed 909 00:45:02.505 --> 00:45:05.465 were the magazine rather than every episode being the magazine 910 00:45:05.465 --> 00:45:08.825 we're releasing. Yep. In some ways, like, the flexibility of 911 00:45:08.825 --> 00:45:11.785 any given release in the format that we've created for this is, 912 00:45:11.785 --> 00:45:14.105 like, really freeing and allows us to do everything, but it's 913 00:45:14.105 --> 00:45:18.160 also constricting and that you need to pack all of your ideas 914 00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:21.600 into the same container every time we release. And the further 915 00:45:21.600 --> 00:45:24.560 we're stretching through that, the more I'm starting to see, 916 00:45:24.560 --> 00:45:27.920 like, a lot of open space in how we can fill the feed in new and 917 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:28.720 surprising ways 918 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:29.120 Yep. 919 00:45:29.200 --> 00:45:31.285 And continue to make the feed feel more like 920 00:45:31.285 --> 00:45:34.885 every single episode drop. And that's getting me really excited 921 00:45:34.885 --> 00:45:36.645 to figure out how to program next year. 922 00:45:36.645 --> 00:45:40.085 Yeah. Surprise episodes, strangely sized 923 00:45:40.085 --> 00:45:45.010 episodes, oddly comprised episodes. Just prepare. It's 924 00:45:45.010 --> 00:45:46.930 gonna we're gonna have a fun time this year. 925 00:45:47.250 --> 00:45:49.810 And speaking of which, Georgia, do you wanna 926 00:45:49.810 --> 00:45:52.130 talk to us a little bit about streaming? 927 00:45:53.170 --> 00:45:58.925 Why, yes. So we did do, as we previously said, 928 00:45:58.925 --> 00:46:03.165 over what was it? Forty hours Yeah. Of livestreaming. 929 00:46:03.165 --> 00:46:07.005 Which I think if if memory serves, we are gonna 930 00:46:07.005 --> 00:46:10.925 do a numb another stream week later this year. 931 00:46:10.925 --> 00:46:11.245 That is 932 00:46:11.245 --> 00:46:12.285 on the books. Okay. 933 00:46:13.040 --> 00:46:15.040 Far as we know, that is happening again. 934 00:46:15.040 --> 00:46:17.040 Yeah. Was more than half of that forty hours. Yeah. 935 00:46:17.040 --> 00:46:17.280 Yeah. 936 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:19.440 Yeah. Oh, big oh, I I'm sure it was. 937 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:20.720 But between now and then. 938 00:46:20.720 --> 00:46:22.480 But between now and then, we're going to be 939 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.135 doing quite a lot more streaming on our Twitch channel, 940 00:46:27.135 --> 00:46:35.135 twitch.tv/theneverpost. We are also going to lean a lot harder 941 00:46:35.375 --> 00:46:39.535 on making streaming content for you and make a lot more of 942 00:46:39.535 --> 00:46:39.695 it, 943 00:46:40.410 --> 00:46:44.570 which includes a monthly stream of our 944 00:46:44.570 --> 00:46:48.090 editorial meeting that we have every Monday, where we pitch 945 00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:51.850 ideas, we bring in ideas from other people, and we are going 946 00:46:51.850 --> 00:46:56.085 to do that live for you, where you can be in the audience and 947 00:46:56.085 --> 00:47:01.685 see how the Never Post Sausage is made and also contribute to 948 00:47:02.325 --> 00:47:06.645 how segments get put together in a lot of different ways. That 949 00:47:06.645 --> 00:47:09.810 was extremely instrumental when I was making that episode about 950 00:47:09.810 --> 00:47:11.730 witchcraft and anti witches. 951 00:47:11.730 --> 00:47:13.650 Yeah. Like, we have already done this and it 952 00:47:13.650 --> 00:47:16.370 has ruled. Like, we get great sources and ideas from people 953 00:47:16.370 --> 00:47:18.850 and it validates the things we're trying to see if they're 954 00:47:18.850 --> 00:47:23.315 sticky or not. These are so fun and so valuable to do. 955 00:47:23.475 --> 00:47:25.955 But aren't there four Mondays in a month? Maybe 956 00:47:25.955 --> 00:47:26.595 five? 957 00:47:26.675 --> 00:47:30.995 Why, yes, there are, Hans. But I have wonderful 958 00:47:30.995 --> 00:47:36.460 news for you about the remaining Mondays where Wait, Paul's here 959 00:47:36.460 --> 00:47:41.420 now. Paul, how did he get to Minneapolis? Oh, god. He's on 960 00:47:41.420 --> 00:47:42.300 the way to me. 961 00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:49.105 But, yes. So on other Mondays throughout the month, we will 962 00:47:49.105 --> 00:47:53.345 also be live streaming other things like teen chats, maybe 963 00:47:53.345 --> 00:47:56.705 some gaming. Definitely some gaming. 964 00:47:56.785 --> 00:47:59.425 Georgia, certified professional gamer 965 00:47:59.425 --> 00:47:59.985 girl. 966 00:47:59.985 --> 00:48:03.800 Yes. It's finally happening to me. Yeah. I 967 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.120 got the call once in a generation. 968 00:48:07.240 --> 00:48:11.640 So Mondays is gonna be the big day. 11:30 969 00:48:11.640 --> 00:48:14.520 eastern on Mondays. That's when the editorial call will be once 970 00:48:14.520 --> 00:48:17.480 a month. And other Mondays, we will have other programming for 971 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:19.855 you there. Sometimes the gaming will probably be in the 972 00:48:19.855 --> 00:48:21.215 evenings, but we'll let you know. 973 00:48:21.215 --> 00:48:24.095 Just hang out. We'll figure it out together. And once again, 974 00:48:24.095 --> 00:48:29.455 that is twitch.tv/theneverpost. Hang out with us there. So one 975 00:48:29.455 --> 00:48:34.110 of the things I know we're gonna be doing on Mondays at 11:30 on 976 00:48:34.110 --> 00:48:37.950 some Monday on 11:30 is we are going to be having live 977 00:48:37.950 --> 00:48:42.750 recordings of the team chats, little monthly yap fests which 978 00:48:42.750 --> 00:48:45.470 we are going to release for the members. 979 00:48:46.135 --> 00:48:49.815 As part of our membership benefits, we are gonna be doing 980 00:48:49.815 --> 00:48:52.695 a monthly team chat. And if you wanna watch us record that live, 981 00:48:52.695 --> 00:48:55.895 you can come to twitch.tv/ then ever post and watch us, or you 982 00:48:55.895 --> 00:48:59.430 can become a member and listen to the edited output of that 983 00:48:59.430 --> 00:49:03.350 coming out once a month and starring friend of the show and 984 00:49:03.350 --> 00:49:05.430 yapping extraordinaire, Meaghel Janardin. 985 00:49:05.510 --> 00:49:07.750 Okay. This gets us, I think, into the last thing 986 00:49:07.750 --> 00:49:09.910 that we wanted to talk about, which is maybe one of the more 987 00:49:09.910 --> 00:49:12.870 important things, which is, is anything gonna change for 988 00:49:12.870 --> 00:49:16.185 members? And the answer is yes. I mean, you know, things are 989 00:49:16.185 --> 00:49:20.025 gonna change insofar as the show itself is changing. Your feed 990 00:49:20.025 --> 00:49:26.825 will change in ways that I think are will be easy to understand. 991 00:49:26.825 --> 00:49:30.820 Like, you're gonna get the same parceled out uploads that 992 00:49:30.820 --> 00:49:34.180 everybody else gets. But you're also going to get, as Jason 993 00:49:34.180 --> 00:49:37.620 said, these members only Yapfests. There's essentially, 994 00:49:37.620 --> 00:49:41.060 like, an extra chat show now that's gonna come out every once 995 00:49:41.060 --> 00:49:45.645 in a while that's just for members. But Hans, do you wanna 996 00:49:45.645 --> 00:49:49.245 talk about the other member feed changes that are gonna occur? 997 00:49:49.405 --> 00:49:52.205 Absolutely. Because what we're gonna do is condense 998 00:49:52.205 --> 00:49:55.965 things down into one feed. Right now, it says on every episode in 999 00:49:55.965 --> 00:49:58.310 the show notes, subscribe, become a member, and you get 1000 00:49:58.310 --> 00:50:00.310 access to all of our different feeds. Well, those feeds are 1001 00:50:00.310 --> 00:50:02.950 gonna become one feed, so it's easier for you. You don't have 1002 00:50:02.950 --> 00:50:05.830 to remember which ones you're subscribed to, figure out, am I 1003 00:50:05.830 --> 00:50:07.830 do I have never watched or not never watched, whatever? 1004 00:50:07.830 --> 00:50:11.205 Everything's just gonna go down one feed, and frankly, we're not 1005 00:50:11.205 --> 00:50:14.965 gonna be feeding a whole lot more down that feed. We are 1006 00:50:14.965 --> 00:50:18.325 gonna not be doing extended interviews anymore. We just 1007 00:50:18.325 --> 00:50:21.045 don't get big numbers on them, and we struggle to be able to 1008 00:50:21.045 --> 00:50:24.670 take the time to go produce them considering all of the other 1009 00:50:24.670 --> 00:50:26.830 things for doing the regular show. So we're just gonna let 1010 00:50:26.830 --> 00:50:30.590 those go. If this is a huge deal breaker for you, let us know. 1011 00:50:31.070 --> 00:50:33.150 I have a feeling it's not because the best 1012 00:50:33.150 --> 00:50:35.805 versions of those interviews always just end up in the 1013 00:50:35.805 --> 00:50:36.685 segment. The puzzle 1014 00:50:36.685 --> 00:50:39.405 is kind of like punishing the members. Like, 1015 00:50:39.405 --> 00:50:42.525 here's the version that isn't as good. 1016 00:50:42.525 --> 00:50:42.765 Do you 1017 00:50:42.765 --> 00:50:43.965 wanna pay us to listen to 1018 00:50:43.965 --> 00:50:46.525 something that's, like, maybe, like, 10% worse? 1019 00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:50.110 If yes, and you'll cancel your membership because 1020 00:50:50.110 --> 00:50:52.590 of that, please let us And we 1021 00:50:52.590 --> 00:50:55.070 can we can we'll talk about that. But you're 1022 00:50:55.070 --> 00:50:57.630 gonna get a bunch of stuff. It's gonna be much easier to access, 1023 00:50:57.950 --> 00:51:00.750 and it's gonna all funnel through one feed. So you'll get 1024 00:51:00.750 --> 00:51:03.705 more details about that if you're a member as we figure out 1025 00:51:03.705 --> 00:51:06.425 exactly the mechanics of how that's gonna work. 1026 00:51:06.665 --> 00:51:10.505 One feed, a monthly Yapfest roundtable with 1027 00:51:10.505 --> 00:51:15.145 the crew, assorted oddities when we make them, and ad free 1028 00:51:15.145 --> 00:51:18.600 episodes of everything we put out. That's a pretty good feed. 1029 00:51:18.600 --> 00:51:20.040 That's a pretty good feed. 1030 00:51:20.040 --> 00:51:20.600 Alright. Great. 1031 00:51:20.600 --> 00:51:23.800 So Can I can I put a what should be a survey 1032 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:27.560 question to our audience? Sure. I would love to know if there 1033 00:51:27.560 --> 00:51:32.120 are podcasts out there that have member feeds that you love. I 1034 00:51:32.120 --> 00:51:33.160 would love to know what they are. 1035 00:51:33.535 --> 00:51:36.015 Yes. Yeah. That would be so helpful. 1036 00:51:36.015 --> 00:51:37.935 Like, what podcasts have something that is 1037 00:51:37.935 --> 00:51:41.615 forward facing where the member content is something that you 1038 00:51:41.615 --> 00:51:45.055 think slaps and, like, is really great, and it's all in one feed? 1039 00:51:45.055 --> 00:51:45.775 I would love to know. 1040 00:51:46.220 --> 00:51:49.500 So that's our plan. 2026. It's coming. It's here, 1041 00:51:49.980 --> 00:51:52.460 and we're gonna lean into all the stuff that we learned from 1042 00:51:52.460 --> 00:51:57.500 2025 and continue to try to grow the audience. We wanna spend 1043 00:51:57.500 --> 00:51:59.500 more time with you, our audience. 1044 00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:02.565 We wanna grow the revenue, obviously, because we need to 1045 00:52:02.565 --> 00:52:06.165 make this sustainable for all of us to be able to spend the time, 1046 00:52:06.165 --> 00:52:10.005 which we love, doing this for you, whom we love. We hope to 1047 00:52:10.005 --> 00:52:12.725 work with more contributors. We hope to have more partnerships 1048 00:52:12.725 --> 00:52:18.040 externally. And crucially, we hope to do even better this year 1049 00:52:18.040 --> 00:52:22.440 at making Neverpost on purpose. Well said, Hans. 1050 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:22.920 Well said. 1051 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:26.600 So this is all gonna start in February. So 1052 00:52:26.600 --> 00:52:31.265 February 2, which is a Monday. Tune yourselves in 11:30 eastern 1053 00:52:31.265 --> 00:52:34.545 time and come to watch us stream our editorial meeting. And from 1054 00:52:34.545 --> 00:52:37.745 that point on, you will start to notice differences in all of the 1055 00:52:37.745 --> 00:52:41.505 feeds. We may have a couple of super secret fun tantalizing 1056 00:52:41.505 --> 00:52:46.040 things coming at you between now and then, but that should be the 1057 00:52:46.040 --> 00:52:48.280 next thing you should expect after this. 1058 00:52:48.520 --> 00:52:51.160 And I do wanna say again, thank you to 1059 00:52:51.160 --> 00:52:54.600 everybody for making this a successful year, a year on the 1060 00:52:54.600 --> 00:52:58.120 path to sustainable growth. We are still not there yet. I know 1061 00:52:58.120 --> 00:53:01.695 we say this so many times. Like, every six months or so, we have 1062 00:53:01.695 --> 00:53:03.935 to say it again, but we are still not there. This is a 1063 00:53:03.935 --> 00:53:04.815 meaningful step. 1064 00:53:04.815 --> 00:53:09.375 We have, gained some support without having to spam marketing 1065 00:53:09.375 --> 00:53:11.375 dollars out there so that you know we exist. Like, enough of 1066 00:53:11.375 --> 00:53:14.730 you know we exist. We are a real show. And people can find us, 1067 00:53:14.730 --> 00:53:17.050 and we're trying to help more people find us and help us grow 1068 00:53:17.050 --> 00:53:21.210 more. We still need to grow a lot to be sustainable enough to 1069 00:53:21.210 --> 00:53:24.970 make this the amount of our jobs that it is the amount of our 1070 00:53:24.970 --> 00:53:25.290 lives. 1071 00:53:25.905 --> 00:53:31.425 We all spend about 50% of our work week on this show. And thus 1072 00:53:31.425 --> 00:53:34.385 far, we have not made money for doing that. And this year, with 1073 00:53:34.385 --> 00:53:36.785 your contributions, we will be able to split up some of that 1074 00:53:36.785 --> 00:53:39.780 money after it goes to hosting and contributors and all the 1075 00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:42.180 other budgets it goes to to pay ourselves a little to do this 1076 00:53:42.180 --> 00:53:44.020 and that is incredible. Thank 1077 00:53:44.020 --> 00:53:44.740 you. That's really great. 1078 00:53:44.740 --> 00:53:47.940 Like, this huge step. It's not a lot for 1079 00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:50.900 us, but it is something. And like coming from nothing to 1080 00:53:50.900 --> 00:53:54.020 something is like an unbelievable step. So thank you 1081 00:53:54.020 --> 00:53:55.715 so much for that. Yeah. 1082 00:53:56.195 --> 00:53:59.315 And please continue to tell people who you think would like 1083 00:53:59.315 --> 00:54:04.115 what we do that we exist because we need to be at a new growth 1084 00:54:04.115 --> 00:54:07.395 stage when we do this same report to you next year. We need 1085 00:54:07.395 --> 00:54:11.170 to be bigger. We need to be able to take up more of our time with 1086 00:54:11.170 --> 00:54:14.770 this show and, I think that we have a chance of getting there. 1087 00:54:14.770 --> 00:54:17.250 We're certainly closer than we were last year. It's a long 1088 00:54:17.250 --> 00:54:17.810 process. 1089 00:54:17.810 --> 00:54:20.690 I know we all kind of thought when we got into this, oh, shows 1090 00:54:20.690 --> 00:54:23.665 take about four years to establish. It's one thing to 1091 00:54:23.665 --> 00:54:26.705 know that. It's another thing to feel it and To live it. Do it 1092 00:54:26.705 --> 00:54:30.865 every day. But if we're about halfway to getting this show to 1093 00:54:30.865 --> 00:54:33.585 where it's maybe sustainable, that's amazing. 1094 00:54:33.585 --> 00:54:37.345 It feels possible, but there's a lot more work to do. But But 1095 00:54:37.290 --> 00:54:40.810 it's been very satisfying work thus far, and I have to thank 1096 00:54:40.810 --> 00:54:45.370 all of you for helping us make this a reality and making this a 1097 00:54:45.370 --> 00:54:47.930 satisfying place to spend half of our work weeks. 1098 00:54:48.170 --> 00:54:49.850 I think that's really well said, Jason. And I 1099 00:54:49.850 --> 00:54:51.770 think the other thing that we think about a lot when we do 1100 00:54:51.770 --> 00:54:54.585 these kinds of updates is that, like, you know, Never Post is a 1101 00:54:54.585 --> 00:54:58.345 show foreign about the Internet, and the show is is a part of the 1102 00:54:58.345 --> 00:55:02.265 Internet. And so this is also us trying to take a look at what 1103 00:55:02.265 --> 00:55:06.390 it's like to make something now and to try to do it in such a 1104 00:55:06.390 --> 00:55:09.350 way that isn't unhealthy and doesn't drive the people who 1105 00:55:09.350 --> 00:55:14.310 make it insane and isn't irresponsible to do. And that's 1106 00:55:14.310 --> 00:55:16.630 a real balancing act. It's hard. 1107 00:55:17.350 --> 00:55:19.270 We, like, have to make sacrifices. We have to have, 1108 00:55:19.270 --> 00:55:22.365 like, tough conversations about, like, what work we can shoulder 1109 00:55:22.365 --> 00:55:26.445 and not shoulder and what we can do with the show over the next 1110 00:55:26.445 --> 00:55:30.445 year as it relates to, like, all of our other work and, like, it 1111 00:55:30.445 --> 00:55:35.725 feels good and necessary for us to share that with the audience. 1112 00:55:36.120 --> 00:55:39.800 And so I guess, you know, just to echo what we've been saying 1113 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:42.200 over and over again in this, like, thank you everybody for 1114 00:55:42.200 --> 00:55:46.120 listening. Thank you for your support. I know that these 1115 00:55:46.120 --> 00:55:50.360 uploads are maybe a little like in the weeds and navel gazey, 1116 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.345 but like, it's also like this is what it's like. 1117 00:55:53.425 --> 00:55:58.465 Yeah. This is, you know, which I hope also is just interesting. I 1118 00:55:58.465 --> 00:56:01.185 hope that you enjoy this for the reasons that you enjoy the other 1119 00:56:01.185 --> 00:56:03.105 parts of the show because we think of these things as being 1120 00:56:03.105 --> 00:56:06.560 very related. Definitely. Alright. 1121 00:56:06.560 --> 00:56:11.840 We'll see you with an episode, a much more normal Neverpost. 1122 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:15.040 Well, you know, a Neverpost that is like the Neverpost that 1123 00:56:15.040 --> 00:56:20.255 you've come to expect. Yes. In a couple weeks. Okay. 1124 00:56:20.255 --> 00:56:20.655 Bye. 1125 00:56:20.655 --> 00:56:22.015 Bye. Tell 1126 00:56:22.335 --> 00:56:23.055 your friends about the show.