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<v Jonathan>The Yellow Light Sound, "What Is Inclusive and What

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<v Jonathan>Is Not."

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<v Jonathan>The Americans with Disabilities Act passed in 1990,

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<v Jonathan>and 18 years later came some amendments.

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<v Jonathan>It has now been 17 years since then.

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<v Jonathan>Should we update our understanding of accessibility?

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<v Jonathan>I'd like to talk about why I care

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<v Jonathan>about this when I can walk and have

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<v Jonathan>above-average sight and hearing.

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<v Jonathan>I don't suffer from any physical disabilities.

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<v Jonathan>Then I will explain how it hurts us

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<v Jonathan>all when someone makes a bad faith defense

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<v Jonathan>of people with disabilities.

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<v Jonathan>First, I know that different people have different

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<v Jonathan>attitudes on wording.

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<v Jonathan>Some will casually throw around a word like

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<v Jonathan>disability, and others will chafe.

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<v Jonathan>They would prefer to hear "differently abled."

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<v Jonathan>Others want to avoid any stigma.

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<v Jonathan>They want to call a spade a spade,

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<v Jonathan>and they do not want to hide from

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<v Jonathan>the word "disability."

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<v Jonathan>They're not ashamed of having low vision,

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<v Jonathan>for example.

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<v Jonathan>So, why do I care?

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<v Jonathan>I don't care because I have some physical

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<v Jonathan>challenge, and it's not because I'm close to

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<v Jonathan>somebody with a challenge -- a spouse, a child.

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<v Jonathan>I care because it's relatively small to care

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<v Jonathan>about these things.

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<v Jonathan>It doesn't cost a lot, and it is

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<v Jonathan>such a game changer for people with certain

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<v Jonathan>challenges.

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<v Jonathan>It might be a little more expensive to

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<v Jonathan>have a ramp for that three-inch step

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<v Jonathan>up into the building, but you know, when

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<v Jonathan>you're making the building from scratch, you can

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<v Jonathan>afford that.

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<v Jonathan>It's a small thing, but it's huge.

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<v Jonathan>It makes all the difference.

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<v Jonathan>Somebody can go from not being able to

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<v Jonathan>enter your building to being able to enter

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<v Jonathan>your building.

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<v Jonathan>And this isn't just about the most visible

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<v Jonathan>form of disability, the wheelchair.

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<v Jonathan>We see the blue placard signs with the

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<v Jonathan>stick figure and the wheelchair.

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<v Jonathan>That's what we think.

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<v Jonathan>That's the be all and end all of

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<v Jonathan>disability.

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<v Jonathan>Well, no.

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<v Jonathan>A ramp can also be helpful to people

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<v Jonathan>who have some motor difficulties.

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<v Jonathan>Say, somebody can walk, but maybe not as

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<v Jonathan>well, or maybe somebody is very old and

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<v Jonathan>uses a cane.

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<v Jonathan>I'm sure that person would prefer to have

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<v Jonathan>a gradual step up, well, a gradual ramp

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<v Jonathan>up, than to have an abrupt step that's

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<v Jonathan>three or four inches off the ground.

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<v Jonathan>So that's part of it.

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<v Jonathan>The other thing, too, about why I care

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<v Jonathan>is that there is the "curb cut effect."

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<v Jonathan>Now, the curb cut effect is named after,

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<v Jonathan>well, literally that --

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<v Jonathan>curb cuts.

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<v Jonathan>It used to be that in cities when

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<v Jonathan>There wasn't a ramp on or off of

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<v Jonathan>That was the norm.

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<v Jonathan>And if you have limited mobility, that's intolerable.

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<v Jonathan>You can't get around if that's the case.

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<v Jonathan>So how about we have ramps at intersections

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<v Jonathan>now?

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<v Jonathan>Well, by the time I was born and

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<v Jonathan>I could see the advantages in those.

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<v Jonathan>I didn't know why they were there, originally.

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<v Jonathan>Well, they got a little ramp up."

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<v Jonathan>There has to be a ramp somewhere to

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<v Jonathan>It's great.

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<v Jonathan>Also, by the time I came of age,

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<v Jonathan>You would see these bumps all over.

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<v Jonathan>Sometimes they'd be brightly colored, sometimes not.

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<v Jonathan>But there'd always be these bumps that had

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<v Jonathan>I thought, oh, well, this is nice.

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<v Jonathan>ramp is no longer a danger because now

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<v Jonathan>I was in my 30s, I think, when

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<v Jonathan>somebody explained, no, no, no, no.

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<v Jonathan>Those bumps aren't there for, well, they are

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<v Jonathan>there for safety reasons, but they're originally put

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<v Jonathan>there so that people who have low vision

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<v Jonathan>They can feel their cane, they can feel

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<v Jonathan>If I take another step, I will be

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<v Jonathan>That's their curb cut effect.

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<v Jonathan>It helps us all, even if we don't

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<v Jonathan>realize that it was originally for other people,

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<v Jonathan>had other people in mind.

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<v Jonathan>This was a huge game changer for certain

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<v Jonathan>groups, but everybody benefited.

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<v Jonathan>Nobody says, oh, I wish they did not

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<v Jonathan>Nobody really says that.

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<v Jonathan>but it's so small, it's a drop in

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<v Jonathan>Curb cuts, those are great.

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<v Jonathan>I don't want to be a part of

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<v Jonathan>It's already the case that people who have

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<v Jonathan>If you go to the typical movie theater,

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<v Jonathan>it probably will not have subtitles.

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<v Jonathan>that's huge.

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<v Jonathan>You will not have the same experience going

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<v Jonathan>Now, people may say, oh, there are special

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<v Jonathan>If you have the resources to put up

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<v Jonathan>And that's even better than closed captioning because

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<v Jonathan>Newsflash, nobody wants to read nonstop.

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<v Jonathan>It doesn't matter if you have normal hearing

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<v Jonathan>You don't want to just read that nonstop.

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<v Jonathan>It's just, it's almost like a different language.

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<v Jonathan>The syntax, the grammar of American sign language

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<v Jonathan>Sign language is its own thing.

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<v Jonathan>That's really great.

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<v Jonathan>is that it's standard to have subtitles, captioning --

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<v Jonathan>whatever you want to say.

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<v Jonathan>There is a text form whenever somebody's speaking

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<v Jonathan>It's just standard.

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<v Jonathan>An interview, an announcer, you're going to have

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<v Jonathan>It makes it more accessible,

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<v Jonathan>something that makes a huge difference.

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<v Jonathan>When you're able to be aware of what's

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<v Jonathan>going on around you, when you're able to

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<v Jonathan>stay up to date on various events, you

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<v Jonathan>I was not a citizen, so I didn't

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<v Jonathan>the USA, jury duty.

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<v Jonathan>But when you have trials without sign language

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<v Jonathan>interpretation, "Oh, whatever, you're hard of hearing, you're

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<v Jonathan>Well, sometimes you do want to serve, or

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<v Jonathan>It's nice to feel part of society, not

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<v Jonathan>Why can't we do that in more places?

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<v Jonathan>You know, just the courthouse itself, I mentioned

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<v Jonathan>And I don't mean ramps that you put

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<v Jonathan>deliveries, and also people who use wheelchairs can

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<v Jonathan>No.

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<v Jonathan>Why does the front have to be such

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<v Jonathan>It's not for nothing that as a result

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<v Jonathan>"Oh, that's where the help comes, that's for

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<v Jonathan>for the well-to-do."

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<v Jonathan>That's why I care.

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<v Jonathan>Now what do I do?

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<v Jonathan>I make a decision every time I produce

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<v Jonathan>content to have transcripts for the audio content

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<v Jonathan>and to have audio voiceovers for the essays.

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<v Jonathan>I don't want to make the content just

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<v Jonathan>for one audience.

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<v Jonathan>People might say, "Oh, it's just a minority,

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<v Jonathan>who cares. It's just a small thing."

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<v Jonathan>And yeah, maybe it is, but as I've

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<v Jonathan>in life that are hard.

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<v Jonathan>I don't want to add to that inconvenience.

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<v Jonathan>Why should I?

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<v Jonathan>And we don't have to think about disabilities

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<v Jonathan>as a total binary.

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<v Jonathan>Oh, you're completely blind or you can see

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<v Jonathan>perfectly without eyeglasses.

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<v Jonathan>Oh, you can hear perfectly or you're deaf

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<v Jonathan>as a post.

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<v Jonathan>No, there is a line in between.

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<v Jonathan>And we also have people who learn languages.

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<v Jonathan>But if there are subtitles to read along,

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<v Jonathan>You know, if you can do the subtitles,

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<v Jonathan>The excuse for not doing it is going

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<v Jonathan>in chatbots or LLMs or generative AI, whatever

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<v Jonathan>I actually wish AI had gone more in

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<v Jonathan>Unfortunately, the money is going towards plagiarizing art,

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<v Jonathan>plagiarizing written work, giving confident but false information,

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<v Jonathan>That's what AI is doing now.

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<v Jonathan>There's not as much money in subtitling, live

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<v Jonathan>I see, unfortunately, an abuse of AI.

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<v Jonathan>Well, there's a big one with NaNoWriMo.

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<v Jonathan>NaNoWriMo is National Novel Writing Month.

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<v Jonathan>I don't want to go over all the

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<v Jonathan>Its most recent contest last fall had this

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<v Jonathan>controversial inclusion of AI or promotion of AI,

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<v Jonathan>whatever you want to say.

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<v Jonathan>The organization was okay with having more AI

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<v Jonathan>If you know about AI and how it

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<v Jonathan>That has its own ethical issues, of course,

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<v Jonathan>but what was really strange was NaNoWriMo justified

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<v Jonathan>to be classist or ableist and be anti-AI.

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<v Jonathan>Well, is the implication here that you need

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<v Jonathan>I don't know what they were thinking because

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<v Jonathan>that was -- it was bizarre.

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<v Jonathan>I don't know if they're trying to do

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<v Jonathan>It was not surprising that the organization folded

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<v Jonathan>It's in the process as of this recording

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<v Jonathan>Now if we were talking about AI tools

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<v Jonathan>being allowed in the contest of, oh, this

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<v Jonathan>the feature is now, why can't we do

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<v Jonathan>Well, for a lot of things, we can

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<v Jonathan>That would have been great, but that wasn't

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<v Jonathan>It was about AI in general, which unfortunately

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<v Jonathan>at this point is probably more bad than

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<v Jonathan>Now that struck me as a bad-faith

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<v Jonathan>It was maybe a cost-cutting measure, but

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<v Jonathan>They just wanted to do it anyway.

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<v Jonathan>And then when they got pushback, there's

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<v Jonathan>the accusation that, oh, if you're against this,

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<v Jonathan>you're being ableist, you're being classist, you're doing

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<v Jonathan>It's really co-opting the language of the

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<v Jonathan>social justice movements, but that's not the only

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<v Jonathan>time we hear bad faith arguments.

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<v Jonathan>That's like disabilities or people with disabilities, or

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<v Jonathan>if they really want to sound progressive, they

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<v Jonathan>The pattern is the same.

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<v Jonathan>You see or you hear an organization using

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<v Jonathan>they're heartless, this, that, the other thing,"

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<v Jonathan>when really they have ulterior motives. I don't

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<v Jonathan>know what the exact goal was for NaNoWriMo.

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<v Jonathan>So, I'm just talking about what seemed to

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<v Jonathan>It seemed as if NaNoWriMo wanted to incorporate

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<v Jonathan>And then after the fact, after the pushback

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<v Jonathan>said, "Oh, it's about accessibility." Well, we see

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<v Jonathan>the same thing with the way we design

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<v Jonathan>roads, the way we design streets, the way

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<v Jonathan>go to, all of that.

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<v Jonathan>People may say, "Oh, well, you know, not

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<v Jonathan>everybody can walk, not everybody can ride a

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<v Jonathan>So, it's more accessible to make everything

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<v Jonathan>car-dependent."

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<v Jonathan>Now, that's clearly from somebody who's just not

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<v Jonathan>Yes, there are custom minivans and yes, for

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<v Jonathan>a lot of long distance trips in many

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<v Jonathan>use that because there may not be a

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<v Jonathan>I get that.

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<v Jonathan>But for ordinary life, having more cars, more

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<v Jonathan>car dependency does not help much.

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<v Jonathan>The custom van that you need to run

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<v Jonathan>every single errand.

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<v Jonathan>Well, when everything's really far apart in your

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<v Jonathan>that van for every errand -- post office, bank,

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<v Jonathan>corner store -- everything.

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<v Jonathan>And when you have more car dependency, you've

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<v Jonathan>Let me be clear.

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<v Jonathan>When I'm talking about getting rid of car

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<v Jonathan>dependency, I'm not talking about banning cars.

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<v Jonathan>I'm talking about making it so that not

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<v Jonathan>This will free up space for people who

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<v Jonathan>do need cars.

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<v Jonathan>Many of us cannot drive safely or choose

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<v Jonathan>or want to not have a car for

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<v Jonathan>any reason at all --

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<v Jonathan>it doesn't matter.

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<v Jonathan>I don't have a pilot's license.

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<v Jonathan>I do have a driver's license for a

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<v Jonathan>a helicopter and to use that to run

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<v Jonathan>all my errands.

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<v Jonathan>What makes the car so different?

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<v Jonathan>I really don't see how it helps when

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<v Jonathan>you separate the businesses, when every store at

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<v Jonathan>a strip mall is so far apart that

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<v Jonathan>it's like a 200-foot walk from one store

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<v Jonathan>You're telling people, "Oh, OK, walk across this

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<v Jonathan>If somebody uses a wheelchair or uses a

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<v Jonathan>person is going to spend more time going

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<v Jonathan>If you have more cars, more parking, more

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<v Jonathan>And if you have thin sidewalks and you

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<v Jonathan>lot of trouble if somebody backs up a

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<v Jonathan>So, now the pickup truck hangs over, and

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<v Jonathan>Well, if you use a wheelchair and when

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<v Jonathan>But now this five foot sidewalk is only

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<v Jonathan>You -- you can't get by.

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<v Jonathan>So people say, "Oh, just go on the

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<v Jonathan>Well, not everybody can.

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<v Jonathan>Not everybody can do so safely.

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<v Jonathan>And why should people have to inconvenience themselves

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<v Jonathan>It's so backward, really saying this in bad

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<v Jonathan>faith.

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<v Jonathan>They're making a bad-faith argument to justify

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<v Jonathan>And they're very resistant to change.

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<v Jonathan>And then later, after the fact, they cite

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<v Jonathan>But when we're on the topic of disabilities,

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<v Jonathan>than with walking.

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<v Jonathan>As I said earlier, the ADA logo is

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<v Jonathan>Well, there are other disabilities, too, that make

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<v Jonathan>You just you just can't drive.

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<v Jonathan>But you can walk even if it's not

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<v Jonathan>But let's just say those don't exist.

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<v Jonathan>You can still be blind and walk.

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<v Jonathan>You could still be low vision and walk.

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<v Jonathan>You could be old, struggling with Alzheimer's and

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<v Jonathan>You could be very young and walk.

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<v Jonathan>You could be somebody who has narcolepsy and

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<v Jonathan>still walk.

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<v Jonathan>A car might be a little different.

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<v Jonathan>Maybe you can, but maybe it's more uncomfortable

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<v Jonathan>The point is, there are so many more

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<v Jonathan>disabilities that make it infeasible to drive, but

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<v Jonathan>A person I admire who has spoken on

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<v Jonathan>this topic is Anna Zivarts.

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<v Jonathan>She is in Washington State,

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<v Jonathan>A book she's talked about is "When Driving

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<v Jonathan>Is Not an Option."

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<v Jonathan>She, after many years, now says she's openly

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<v Jonathan>disabled because of nystagmus.

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<v Jonathan>She has a condition which makes it so

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<v Jonathan>that her eyes move involuntarily ever so slightly.

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<v Jonathan>It makes her vision blurry.

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<v Jonathan>And it makes it so that she can't

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<v Jonathan>perceive depth in the same way.

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<v Jonathan>She just cannot drive.

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<v Jonathan>She knows that she would be a danger

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<v Jonathan>to herself and others.

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<v Jonathan>She had tried once and realized, thankfully, before

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<v Jonathan>anybody got hurt, that it just wasn't feasible

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<v Jonathan>for her.

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<v Jonathan>She was somebody who would try to hide

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<v Jonathan>or, let's say, make her condition not an

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<v Jonathan>overriding feature.

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<v Jonathan>But she has said that she now carries

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<v Jonathan>her bright white cane around more often.

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<v Jonathan>She finds people who are more helpful when

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<v Jonathan>she's able to, quote, "look more disabled and in

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need of help."

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<v Jonathan>But she shouldn't have to.

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<v Jonathan>Not every disability is immediately visible to everybody.

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<v Jonathan>She doesn't have tinted sunglasses.

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<v Jonathan>She's not blind.

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<v Jonathan>She's low vision.

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<v Jonathan>There's a difference.

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<v Jonathan>It's a difference that's enough to make it

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<v Jonathan>so that she can walk.

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<v Jonathan>She can ride a bike.

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<v Jonathan>Can she drive a pickup truck?

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<v Jonathan>No.

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<v Jonathan>But that shouldn't be a qualification to participate

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<v Jonathan>in society.

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<v Jonathan>And she represents, I could say, maybe the

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<v Jonathan>majority of people who can't drive because the

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<v Jonathan>greatest number of people who have challenges that

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<v Jonathan>make them unable to drive are still able

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<v Jonathan>to walk.

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<v Jonathan>The last thing I wanted to talk about

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<v Jonathan>was the bad-faith arguments on

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<v Jonathan>physical health.

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<v Jonathan>To be blunt, fatness, obesity.

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<v Jonathan>Am I being unfair by demanding that everybody

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<v Jonathan>walk?

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<v Jonathan>Well, I'm not demanding much other than a

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<v Jonathan>more equitable place to live.

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<v Jonathan>And if we have things closer together and

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<v Jonathan>fewer cars and fewer parking spaces separating the

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<v Jonathan>buildings, it's not as far to walk.

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<v Jonathan>So the idea that people would be expected

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<v Jonathan>to jog five miles to work is kind

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<v Jonathan>of silly.

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<v Jonathan>I'm not advocating that.

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<v Jonathan>I don't think anybody advocates that.

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<v Jonathan>Maybe bike five miles to work, but I'm

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<v Jonathan>not expecting people to start jogging everywhere across

532
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<v Jonathan>empty cityscapes where the cars used to roll.

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<v Jonathan>No, no, nothing like that.

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<v Jonathan>But the thing about weight that gets brought

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<v Jonathan>up reminds me of a bad-faith argument

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<v Jonathan>that Raj Patel brought up in his book

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<v Jonathan>"Stuffed and Starved."

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<v Jonathan>I haven't read the original version, but at

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<v Jonathan>least in the second edition, in 2012, he

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<v Jonathan>had warned, or maybe he saw the early

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<v Jonathan>stages of this, or maybe he just saw

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<v Jonathan>where things were going to go and he's

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<v Jonathan>a bit of a prophet.

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<v Jonathan>But he has said that the sugar industry

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<v Jonathan>and the fast food industry would say that

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<v Jonathan>opposition to fatty foods, promotion of physical fitness,

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<v Jonathan>promotion of healthier eating habits is racist or

548
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<v Jonathan>classist, which, you know, right off the bat,

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<v Jonathan>OK, so is the implication that being physically

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<v Jonathan>fit is the superpower of the majority in

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<v Jonathan>America, the majority race?

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<v Jonathan>What's the implication here?

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<v Jonathan>So, there's that.

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<v Jonathan>But, you know, we can hear that today.

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<v Jonathan>It's been a few years since then.

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<v Jonathan>And I wouldn't be the first person to

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<v Jonathan>say the word "fatphobic."

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<v Jonathan>I'm not suggesting we go back to bullying,

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<v Jonathan>ridiculing people.

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<v Jonathan>But why should we accommodate and encourage bad

561
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<v Jonathan>habits just because somebody said, oh, well, you

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<v Jonathan>know, if you're against eating McDonald's three times

563
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<v Jonathan>a day, you're bigoted in some way.

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<v Jonathan>It's not bigotry.

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<v Jonathan>That's not it at all.

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<v Jonathan>That's a bad-faith argument.

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<v Jonathan>And we should remember that and not be

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<v Jonathan>cowed into silence.

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<v Jonathan>Think about what you advocate.

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<v Jonathan>Will it make the world more accessible to

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<v Jonathan>people or more exclusive?

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<v Jonathan>Will it make life more pleasant or will

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<v Jonathan>it just continue things as they are?

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<v Jonathan>Are we just going to look at accessibility

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<v Jonathan>as something to check off on a checklist,

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<v Jonathan>or do we want to incorporate that into

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<v Jonathan>our thinking?

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<v Jonathan>Copyright 2025

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<v Jonathan>Sae Ong Jee Ma LLC.

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<v Jonathan>Opening theme music by Computer Music All-Stars,

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<v Jonathan>"May the Chords Be with You."

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<v Jonathan>Released 2018.

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<v Jonathan>Available on the Free Music Archive.

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<v Jonathan>Closing theme from the Korea Copyright Commission.

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<v Jonathan>A 2022 performance of samul-nori music available at

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<v Jonathan>Gongyu Madang LSMBG0704.

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<v Jonathan>Logo art by Kyle Keswick of Keswick Design

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<v Jonathan>Company in Plattsburgh, New York, with edits for

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<v Jonathan>contrast and color. Recorded in Plattsburgh, New York.

