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<v Jonathan>The Yellow Light,

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<v Jonathan>Episode 2:

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<v Jonathan>Chaos Theory.

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<v Jonathan>Recently in the news, there was this talk

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<v Jonathan>of bringing back a form of wolf that

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<v Jonathan>had gone extinct, the dire wolf.

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<v Jonathan>Well, it turned out to be a whole

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<v Jonathan>lot of nothing.

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<v Jonathan>As with many stories, the mainstream media tends

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<v Jonathan>to inflate advances in science.

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<v Jonathan>I've seen them my whole life, with life

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<v Jonathan>on Mars or life on this other planet,

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<v Jonathan>bio-signatures, blah, blah, blah -- whatever.

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<v Jonathan>The point of the story is, eh, well,

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<v Jonathan>some people brought back some DNA.

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<v Jonathan>They haven't really made the dire wolf go not

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<v Jonathan>extinct. They've just created some gray wolf–dire wolf

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<v Jonathan>hybrids.

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<v Jonathan>But this reminds me of a story, a

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<v Jonathan>story that was in a book and later

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<v Jonathan>got adapted to a movie, Jurassic Park.

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<v Jonathan>In Jurassic Park, the ethics of cloning extinct

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<v Jonathan>animals came up, of course.

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<v Jonathan>We all know Jeff Goldblum's character and his

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<v Jonathan>talk of Chaos Theory and "life finds a

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<v Jonathan>way" -- and it's been the source of many

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<v Jonathan>memes.

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<v Jonathan>But we should really go back and think

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<v Jonathan>about the questions in that movie and what

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<v Jonathan>it means to approach these problems, not in

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<v Jonathan>terms of "Oh, does nature give a species

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<v Jonathan>a chance to exist" and "We have to

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<v Jonathan>let nature take its course -- they went extinct,

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<v Jonathan>blah, blah, blah."

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<v Jonathan>No.

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<v Jonathan>It's really more, what I find interesting is

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<v Jonathan>the disaster that unfolds on the island.

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<v Jonathan>The T-Rex gets out of its enclosure

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<v Jonathan>and goes on a killing spree.

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<v Jonathan>Basically, it's like a horror movie.

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<v Jonathan>Kind of an action movie, kind of a

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<v Jonathan>horror movie.

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<v Jonathan>And that's the theme of the story.

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<v Jonathan>The interesting thing was not that the Dennis

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<v Jonathan>Nedry character, the one who automated and computerized

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<v Jonathan>so many of the systems, the problem wasn't

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<v Jonathan>that he computerized everything, that everybody was too

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<v Jonathan>reliant on one person, that they didn't deal

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<v Jonathan>with enough problems and surprises as they came

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<v Jonathan>up.

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<v Jonathan>One of the characters, it was actually Laura

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<v Jonathan>Dern's character in the movie adaptation, has that

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<v Jonathan>talk with the idealistic John Hammond.

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<v Jonathan>He says, you know, I've learned, like, we

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<v Jonathan>who disappeared, Dennis Nedry.

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<v Jonathan>When we get control again, and then Laura

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<v Jonathan>Dern interrupts him and says, "You never had

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<v Jonathan>That's the illusion."

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<v Jonathan>And I think that's an important thing.

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<v Jonathan>This was explored more in the book actually,

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<v Jonathan>is that the way systems can fail is

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<v Jonathan>Sometimes Chaos Theory gets reduced to a few

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<v Jonathan>memes or images or the expression of a

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<v Jonathan>butterfly flaps its wings in New York City

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<v Jonathan>and it causes a storm in Beijing -- or

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<v Jonathan>however that goes.

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<v Jonathan>It doesn't matter.

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<v Jonathan>My point is that the systems in Jurassic

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<v Jonathan>Park failed in ways that nobody could predict.

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<v Jonathan>And taking the approach of solving problems as

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<v Jonathan>they came up and looking at them, okay,

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<v Jonathan>now we know how to do this.

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<v Jonathan>Now we know not to do that.

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<v Jonathan>Now we know to do this.

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<v Jonathan>You know, you can see it.

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<v Jonathan>The best thing, one of the smartest people

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<v Jonathan>was actually the Muldoon character, the game warden

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<v Jonathan>He says about the raptors, they just didn't

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<v Jonathan>We never have them in the park.

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<v Jonathan>They're just too dangerous, too smart, too blah,

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<v Jonathan>blah, blah.

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<v Jonathan>It set aside the fact that in real

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<v Jonathan>life, velociraptors were not much bigger than chickens.

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<v Jonathan>They would be a nuisance, but they aren't

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<v Jonathan>going to hunt you down.

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<v Jonathan>Whatever, it's a little bit of artistic liberty,

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<v Jonathan>we'll say.

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<v Jonathan>But the interesting point is that they were

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<v Jonathan>the deadliest thing.

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<v Jonathan>The T-Rex was just a big dumb

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<v Jonathan>animal that wants to eat sometimes.

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<v Jonathan>Whereas the raptors would hunt, they were more

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<v Jonathan>You think about them stalking the two kids

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<v Jonathan>when they were in the kitchen and that's

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<v Jonathan>It felt very much like that, like they

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<v Jonathan>And they never were, but it felt as

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<v Jonathan>The Muldoon character insisted that this danger shouldn't

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<v Jonathan>And we know that from studying industrial safety,

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<v Jonathan>production safety, what have you.

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<v Jonathan>The safest thing to do is to remove

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<v Jonathan>It's not to get you a better and

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<v Jonathan>more protective glove.

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<v Jonathan>It's to have the on button for the

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<v Jonathan>trash compactor be 10 feet away from the

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<v Jonathan>entrance, from the opening of the trash compactor.

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<v Jonathan>So that way it's impossible for you to

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<v Jonathan>have your hand in the machine while the

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<v Jonathan>machine's running, because you have to put the

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<v Jonathan>garbage in the trash compactor, then walk over

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<v Jonathan>to the on button and then press the

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<v Jonathan>on button.

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<v Jonathan>It's basically impossible for you to accidentally capture

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<v Jonathan>your hand in there.

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<v Jonathan>The best thing you could do would be

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<v Jonathan>to not even have a trash compactor.

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<v Jonathan>If you go to a convenience shop, there's

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<v Jonathan>no trash compactor where the customers go.

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<v Jonathan>So there's no danger of a customer losing

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<v Jonathan>a hand at a convenience store.

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<v Jonathan>It's just impossible to happen.

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<v Jonathan>That's what Muldoon was saying with the raptors

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<v Jonathan>in a way.

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<v Jonathan>They were so dangerous.

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<v Jonathan>They just shouldn't exist, period.

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<v Jonathan>Not they should exist with more safety guards.

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<v Jonathan>They just shouldn't exist at all because things

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<v Jonathan>can go wrong.

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<v Jonathan>And Spielberg, as a great director, establishes that

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<v Jonathan>And that's what it was.

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<v Jonathan>It was an accident.

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<v Jonathan>Nobody intended for it to happen, but it

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<v Jonathan>was actually, you know, these things happen.

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<v Jonathan>It was a very emotional moment for him

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<v Jonathan>when one of the workers he supervised died --

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<v Jonathan>died from a raptor attack because things just

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<v Jonathan>You know, you're moving the raptor from one

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<v Jonathan>Something nobody anticipated was that the raptor would

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<v Jonathan>wait at the back of the cage and

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<v Jonathan>then make a running start and then slam

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<v Jonathan>the door at the very moment that the

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<v Jonathan>It doesn't matter what it was exactly.

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<v Jonathan>The point was that they hadn't predicted, oh,

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<v Jonathan>the raptor might try to suddenly move at

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<v Jonathan>the weakest, most critical moment, which is right

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<v Jonathan>before we had the cage fully coupled with

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<v Jonathan>That's the moment when it chooses to strike.

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<v Jonathan>It didn't matter if that was because the

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<v Jonathan>The fact is these kinds of things can

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<v Jonathan>It didn't need to happen.

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<v Jonathan>The character also had a few other things

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<v Jonathan>on and then the characters get out of

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<v Jonathan>They get out and they want to look

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<v Jonathan>And John was like, "Oh, no,"

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<v Jonathan>and Muldoon is saying, "I told you. You

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<v Jonathan>Muldoon was thinking not just in terms of

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<v Jonathan>And I'll be like, oh, all this is

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<v Jonathan>He didn't say that they should get rid

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<v Jonathan>It was really the raptor that he said

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<v Jonathan>For the sake of the story, they were

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<v Jonathan>made a lot bigger than they are in

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<v Jonathan>Not as big as the T-Rex, but

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<v Jonathan>much bigger than they were in real life.

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<v Jonathan>He also talked about the mechanisms on the

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<v Jonathan>And we really need to have more of

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<v Jonathan>A lot of times we go whole hog,

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<v Jonathan>we go all in on something and then

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<v Jonathan>we figure out the problems later.

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<v Jonathan>And I'm not saying we shouldn't take any

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<v Jonathan>new steps or adopt anything, but we shouldn't

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<v Jonathan>just deal with problems as they come up.

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<v Jonathan>We should anticipate possible problems and design ways

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<v Jonathan>for the problems to not kill anybody.

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<v Jonathan>We need to do that from the outset.

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<v Jonathan>A lot of safety, we talk about Vision

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<v Jonathan>Zero, this and that.

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<v Jonathan>It's always reactive.

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<v Jonathan>It's always, oh, well, we found out that

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<v Jonathan>this intersection is bad.

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<v Jonathan>So maybe at this traffic intersection, we can

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<v Jonathan>do XYZ.

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<v Jonathan>Or, hmm, people aren't driving the way we

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<v Jonathan>Let's try this.

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<v Jonathan>No, you should have designed from the get

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<v Jonathan>-go.

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<v Jonathan>Before you put in the traffic intersection, before

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<v Jonathan>you do any construction, before you rebuild any

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<v Jonathan>intersection.

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<v Jonathan>And remember, the way car roadways are built

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<v Jonathan>and made, the heaviness of cars, you have

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<v Jonathan>to rebuild these every 15 years.

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<v Jonathan>You don't just pave them over.

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<v Jonathan>You have to rip up everything and redo

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<v Jonathan>That's a chance to do it a different

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<v Jonathan>And before you redo it the way it

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<v Jonathan>was, people who oversee safety should be in

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<v Jonathan>there beforehand, not after the fact and then

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<v Jonathan>By then, it's too late.

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<v Jonathan>Somebody's died.

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<v Jonathan>That's when people invoke the safety.

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<v Jonathan>No, the safety mindset should be there from

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<v Jonathan>the get-go.

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<v Jonathan>If you wanted people to stay in the

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<v Jonathan>And they will.

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<v Jonathan>We know that.

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<v Jonathan>We have enough decades of research around the

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<v Jonathan>We have the research.

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<v Jonathan>It doesn't matter how we got it.

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<v Jonathan>We have it now.

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<v Jonathan>Let's put it to use.

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<v Jonathan>Let's not rebuild dangerous intersections.

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<v Jonathan>And if we find that we did build

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<v Jonathan>That's not going to make a difference.

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<v Jonathan>If people are driving too fast and plowing

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<v Jonathan>So saying something is an accident is really

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<v Jonathan>And making people more, besides making them more

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<v Jonathan>make people more visible, that can help.

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<v Jonathan>You remove visual obstacles.

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<v Jonathan>You don't let people park on the street

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<v Jonathan>hide people in the crosswalk.

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<v Jonathan>Getting rid of those visual obstacles is good.

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<v Jonathan>But lighting up an intersection by having a

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<v Jonathan>you have to redirect your attention elsewhere.

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<v Jonathan>There's this flashing warning:

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<v Jonathan>Well, that's not really going to do much.

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<v Jonathan>It's just like -- what is is doing, telling

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<v Jonathan>And that would make us sad"?

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<v Jonathan>Well, you're not telling anybody anything that they

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<v Jonathan>That's not fixing any problems.

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<v Jonathan>The thing to do is say, "Look, this

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<v Jonathan>is a highway off-ramp.

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<v Jonathan>The cars are going to be moving very

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<v Jonathan>where they were doing at least 65 miles

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<v Jonathan>You can't have a bike lane --

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<v Jonathan>you can't have a children's sidewalk to school go

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<v Jonathan>through that area.

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<v Jonathan>It just shouldn't be there."

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<v Jonathan>Maybe you do an underpass, an overpass -- something.

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<v Jonathan>You cannot have those two pathways intersect with

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<v Jonathan>You just can't do that.

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<v Jonathan>I feel that's one of the unspoken things.

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<v Jonathan>Well, it's kind of spoken, but it's more

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<v Jonathan>You have to pay attention to the Jurassic

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<v Jonathan>Park story carefully.

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<v Jonathan>It works as an action/horror story

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<v Jonathan>that keeps people entertained.

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<v Jonathan>That's probably why most people have seen it.

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<v Jonathan>That's why I saw it as a kid.

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<v Jonathan>But there is so much more to that.

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<v Jonathan>There's so much more to how we think

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<v Jonathan>Too many of us, we fall into the

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<v Jonathan>We're not denying that things are really bad

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<v Jonathan>with the T-Rex getting out and the

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<v Jonathan>find them.

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<v Jonathan>He knew about the danger, but he was

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<v Jonathan>okay, now that this has happened, we'll do

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<v Jonathan>We'll paper over these problems."

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<v Jonathan>He maybe could have made the idea work

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<v Jonathan>if there was a fundamentally different understanding of

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<v Jonathan>how to approach safety, how to be preventive.

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<v Jonathan>I hope that we can learn from the

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<v Jonathan>I would like us to not go all-in

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<v Jonathan>well, we've had this, and now that we

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<v Jonathan>have some data, some dead bodies, we can

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<v Jonathan>figure out what Band-Aids we can add

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<v Jonathan>to this."

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<v Jonathan>No, no, we need to look at this

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<v Jonathan>from a safety mindset from the get-go

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<v Jonathan>or before the get-go.

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<v Jonathan>Before we lay down the first brick, pound

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<v Jonathan>in the first nail, we need to think

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<v Jonathan>about what threats exist and how we could

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<v Jonathan>make certain tragedies impossible because we can't predict

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<v Jonathan>That's a big takeaway from Chaos Theory -- it's

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<v Jonathan>that you cannot easily account for all the

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<v Jonathan>ways in which different factors interact with each

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<v Jonathan>The point is not that everything's connected.

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<v Jonathan>Of course, everything is, and things can't exist

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<v Jonathan>in a perfectly sealed vacuum, but things also

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<v Jonathan>and we need to have a systems approach

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<v Jonathan>that says we don't exactly know how people

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<v Jonathan>Will they obey all the directions?

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<v Jonathan>Well, ideally, yes, but kids exist.

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<v Jonathan>Kids might open up cars.

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<v Jonathan>I opened up a car going on the

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<v Jonathan>That's what kids do.

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<v Jonathan>They do stuff that's maybe a little stupid.

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<v Jonathan>Having the doors on the cars in Jurassic

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<v Jonathan>Park be locked while the vehicle is in

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<v Jonathan>motion would just make it impossible for people

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<v Jonathan>to ever go off the path.

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<v Jonathan>It would be impossible,

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<v Jonathan>not a matter of "Oh, we need to

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<v Jonathan>do a better job of vetting people" or

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<v Jonathan>"We need to instruct them better how to

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<v Jonathan>behave."

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<v Jonathan>All the research on safety in industrial worksites

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<v Jonathan>says that that's the least effective.

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<v Jonathan>"Tell people to be careful" -- that's not that

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<v Jonathan>effective.

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<v Jonathan>It helps a bit to have hard hats

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<v Jonathan>and safety gloves, but it's even better to

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<v Jonathan>remove the dangers, and it's even better to

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<v Jonathan>not have the dangers around.

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<v Jonathan>There's no reason why a construction site should

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<v Jonathan>You can put the nuclear reactor somewhere far

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<v Jonathan>away and run electricity through power lines to

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<v Jonathan>You don't have to have a mini nuclear

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<v Jonathan>reactor on every construction site, on every block,

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<v Jonathan>in every city.

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<v Jonathan>Why even have the danger there?

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<v Jonathan>It's not about having the permits and having

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<v Jonathan>the good training or everybody wearing the special

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<v Jonathan>No, the point is that there just shouldn't

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<v Jonathan>in the first place -- period.

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<v Jonathan>That's what safety should be.

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<v Jonathan>It's not just about being dorky and wearing --

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<v Jonathan>don't want anything fun or anything that can

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<v Jonathan>have any sort of excitement to it.

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<v Jonathan>No.

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<v Jonathan>With Chaos Theory, you don't try to come

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<v Jonathan>You realize that situations are complex.

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<v Jonathan>You make certain things safe.

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<v Jonathan>You can't predict how every single person, every

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<v Jonathan>single child will behave in front of crosswalks

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<v Jonathan>You just won't.

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<v Jonathan>You just know it's going to be a

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<v Jonathan>high speeds.

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<v Jonathan>You don't train the kids.

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<v Jonathan>That's the only way you expect them to

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<v Jonathan>You don't train adult drivers to behave a

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<v Jonathan>You can engineer things in a certain way,

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<v Jonathan>and that doesn't mean you put the school

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<v Jonathan>That makes it even more dangerous if you're

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<v Jonathan>No.

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<v Jonathan>The thing to do is to think about

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<v Jonathan>how to design things.

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<v Jonathan>The chicane.

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<v Jonathan>That is something that more places in America

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<v Jonathan>The chicane is something as simple as a

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<v Jonathan>potted plant or tree, some boulders, something that

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<v Jonathan>makes you have to not go perfectly straight.

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<v Jonathan>You have to snake around a bit.

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<v Jonathan>Maybe you have the road have a little

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<v Jonathan>Yes, it's less efficient, but that's what you

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<v Jonathan>If you have a long straightaway, you're going

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<v Jonathan>to have people driving too fast.

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<v Jonathan>That's just going to happen.

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<v Jonathan>Maybe people are tired.

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<v Jonathan>Maybe they're reckless.

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<v Jonathan>Maybe they're not paying attention.

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<v Jonathan>Maybe they're in a rush.

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<v Jonathan>Whatever it is, maybe they don't realize what's

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<v Jonathan>It's going to happen, and it doesn't require

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<v Jonathan>If only 1% of people driving are

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<v Jonathan>on that road or on that street, you're

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<v Jonathan>going to have somebody piloting a one and

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<v Jonathan>a half ton or two ton or three

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<v Jonathan>It just is going to happen at some

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<v Jonathan>After it happens and somebody dies, you can't

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<v Jonathan>You need to think about this stuff beforehand.

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<v Jonathan>If you're building a road or street that's

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<v Jonathan>Maybe if you can't put it in a

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<v Jonathan>chicane everywhere, you put the chicanes where you

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<v Jonathan>Maybe you want people to slow down around

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<v Jonathan>And yes, not everybody will obey a chicane,

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<v Jonathan>but guess what?

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<v Jonathan>If somebody tries to be too reckless, let's

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<v Jonathan>say the person's drunk, well, a drunk driver

484
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<v Jonathan>is going to go too fast and not

485
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<v Jonathan>slow around the chicane.

486
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<v Jonathan>And guess what?

487
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<v Jonathan>Instead of killing the child, the drunk driver

488
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<v Jonathan>is going to crash into the potted plant

489
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<v Jonathan>or the boulder or what-have-you.

490
00:17:41.930 --> 00:17:43.150
<v Jonathan>That's going to stop that person.

491
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<v Jonathan>But if somebody has to be hurt, I'd

492
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<v Jonathan>rather it be the person who's driving drunk

493
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<v Jonathan>and not the child in front of the

494
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<v Jonathan>school.

495
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<v Jonathan>It will be a dramatic crash to smash

496
00:17:56.230 --> 00:17:58.850
<v Jonathan>into a boulder, but it's better than crashing

497
00:17:58.850 --> 00:18:01.350
<v Jonathan>into a child and having the drunk person

498
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say, "Oh, I'm so sorry --

499
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<v Jonathan>it was an accident."

500
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<v Jonathan>Well, saying it was an accident doesn't really

501
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<v Jonathan>fix anything, or does it?

502
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<v Jonathan>I would hope it's an accident.

503
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<v Jonathan>I would hope you're not going around trying

504
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<v Jonathan>to murder children.

505
00:18:12.710 --> 00:18:14.910
<v Jonathan>Saying that it was an accident doesn't really

506
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<v Jonathan>fix anything.

507
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<v Jonathan>It doesn't prevent this from happening again.

508
00:18:19.630 --> 00:18:21.330
<v Jonathan>But if you really want to save lives,

509
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<v Jonathan>that's also possible.

510
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<v Jonathan>Maybe with a chicane, instead of a big

511
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<v Jonathan>boulder, you just build up a lot of

512
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<v Jonathan>dirt.

513
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<v Jonathan>And maybe the car that crashes into the

514
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<v Jonathan>barrier doesn't come to a complete stop as

515
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<v Jonathan>quickly as if it were a boulder there.

516
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<v Jonathan>You get the best of both worlds.

517
00:18:38.490 --> 00:18:40.890
<v Jonathan>But in the meantime, just having a potted

518
00:18:40.890 --> 00:18:44.470
<v Jonathan>plant can be enough because it will snap

519
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<v Jonathan>awake a lot of otherwise good drivers because

520
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<v Jonathan>nobody can be perfect all the time.

521
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<v Jonathan>A sign that says, "Warning, children, blah, blah,

522
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<v Jonathan>blah."

523
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<v Jonathan>This time -- you're spending too much time reading.

524
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<v Jonathan>Nobody's going to read all of it.

525
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<v Jonathan>And if you were to read all of

526
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<v Jonathan>it, your eyes are off the road for

527
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<v Jonathan>too long.

528
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<v Jonathan>But if you see an obstacle ahead, you

529
00:19:01.150 --> 00:19:03.590
<v Jonathan>just instinctively say, oh, better slow down.

530
00:19:04.090 --> 00:19:06.790
<v Jonathan>And that does so much more because you

531
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<v Jonathan>want to slow down people before they reach

532
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<v Jonathan>the school zone.

533
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<v Jonathan>You don't want them to see children 10

534
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<v Jonathan>feet in front of their car and say,

535
00:19:12.870 --> 00:19:14.070
<v Jonathan>oh, I better slow down.

536
00:19:14.130 --> 00:19:15.290
<v Jonathan>But then it's too late.

537
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<v Jonathan>And much like the disasters in the movie

538
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<v Jonathan>Jurassic Park, once you realize the problems with

539
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<v Jonathan>not just faith in technology, not just faith

540
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<v Jonathan>in automation, but a faith that people, the

541
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<v Jonathan>visitors will behave themselves.

542
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<v Jonathan>And these are people with PhDs who are--

543
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<v Jonathan>they're adults with PhDs.

544
00:19:32.710 --> 00:19:34.530
<v Jonathan>Imagine a five-year-old on that first

545
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<v Jonathan>tour of Jurassic Park.

546
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<v Jonathan>They would be breaking all the rules too.

547
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<v Jonathan>Design systems that are safe before the tragedy

548
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<v Jonathan>happens.

549
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<v Jonathan>That's what Chaos Theory should be.

550
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<v Jonathan>So think about it.

551
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<v Jonathan>If you can track down a copy of

552
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<v Jonathan>Jurassic Park, go ahead and watch it again.

553
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<v Jonathan>That's all for this episode.

554
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<v Jonathan>See you next time.

