
Serious Eats' podcast Special Sauce enables food lovers everywhere to eavesdrop on an intimate conversation about food and life between host and Serious Eats founder Ed Levine and his well-known/famous friends and acquaintances both in and out of the food culture.
Serious Eats' podcast Special Sauce enables food lovers everywhere to eavesdrop on an intimate conversation about food and life between host and Serious Eats founder Ed Levine and his well-known/famous friends and acquaintances both in and out of the food culture.
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Stories Told by Seasoning [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Stories Told by Seasoning [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F9ca97fcf-3db4-43d1-8de7-44b4e04fcbf7%2Fimages%2Fa74e03f3-1c7a-46b4-8f91-590e88686da2%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)















































































































































































































![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Smashed Burgers; Susan Spungen on Sprezzatura [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Smashed Burgers; Susan Spungen on Sprezzatura [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F2b56a30a-ecd6-486c-9872-f604822602bb%2Fimages%2F1e5aa3a6-894f-40d6-b087-8a0517d0eb43%2FSusanSpungen-credit-Gentl-Hyers1.jpg&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Butter; Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Being Optimistic [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Butter; Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Being Optimistic [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fcf8f5810-4d3c-461e-86f3-c95b1e45fe16%2Fimages%2F7e16abc6-0358-4161-af31-e5031d0f1167%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: “Ask Kenji” Is Back! And Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Selling Cheese During the Pandemic [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: “Ask Kenji” Is Back! And Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Selling Cheese During the Pandemic [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Faec8da76-e617-44dc-9aed-7fa152a0ad4e%2Fimages%2F84a7810e-f928-421c-9419-08efad41d48d%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alexander Smalls on How Food and Music Nurture Hope and Connection [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alexander Smalls on How Food and Music Nurture Hope and Connection [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fa3ecce62-17b2-4b6f-bfbe-d0d498e7c46b%2Fimages%2F6d1fd8ea-8c16-4b4e-b40c-095e53b1a4df%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: After a Tony, a Grammy, and a Beard, Alexander Smalls on What’s Next [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: After a Tony, a Grammy, and a Beard, Alexander Smalls on What’s Next [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F42e83659-a854-4c1f-a84d-a2d09e6a5e14%2Fimages%2F71fe7933-0125-455f-a6a7-ad7a53af210d%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Cookbook Author Susan Spungen on Craving Togetherness [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Cookbook Author Susan Spungen on Craving Togetherness [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F91f1ef64-3162-4f5f-b132-587b43061fdc%2Fimages%2Fb80d2477-21d7-4024-a213-b7995229172b%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT’s Pete Wells on the Future of Restaurant Criticism [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT’s Pete Wells on the Future of Restaurant Criticism [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F8a4c058a-4314-4b7d-9321-4669a6e16d8b%2Fimages%2F5f4d889f-2a1e-4e1a-ad8a-e39e71264daf%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT Restaurant Critic Pete Wells on the State of the Industry [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT Restaurant Critic Pete Wells on the State of the Industry [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4d5dfff3-3c00-49e4-b1d4-da5126d805cd%2Fimages%2F3cc623b0-d0ea-4ded-abb1-8d0ec6121701%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)






![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Claudia Fleming on the Pitfalls of Your Passion [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Claudia Fleming on the Pitfalls of Your Passion [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F05926518-99d0-4238-ab87-a495f37237d0%2Fimages%2Fd248485b-30de-4e8b-8f3b-98bdd10be6bb%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Vegetarian Chile Verde, Claudia Fleming on Lego Desserts [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Vegetarian Chile Verde, Claudia Fleming on Lego Desserts [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F2d5ff871-3b8a-467f-8702-e576e217d2a6%2Fimages%2F7e136257-fbdd-446a-8ca8-fe1875af3d96%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Misha Collins on Pasta With Jam Sauce and Random Acts of Kindness [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Misha Collins on Pasta With Jam Sauce and Random Acts of Kindness [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fe9aeaff6-8db6-4ece-b238-10c1d1562483%2Fimages%2Ff1d5ab52-4847-402d-b2e2-589f13bbf625%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Supernatural Star Misha Collins [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Supernatural Star Misha Collins [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fba753908-fb8f-405c-a46b-8059bf7c44bc%2Fimages%2F0e94ac48-5504-4642-9301-70852a8c03c3%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Maangchi on Being the Korean Julia Child [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Maangchi on Being the Korean Julia Child [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F595c7628-6a29-4ddf-bb61-e9bf8902e65c%2Fimages%2F8080bbc9-efa5-4e21-aefb-a0bcb433c1b7%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking for His Kid, and Maangchi on Becoming a YouTube Sensation [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking for His Kid, and Maangchi on Becoming a YouTube Sensation [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fee87f617-47ee-46f1-9bb1-44c86f354315%2Fimages%2Fecf7c490-2474-426b-a008-356172902a41%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Sean Brock on the Distinction Between Happiness and Success [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Sean Brock on the Distinction Between Happiness and Success [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fc872f83e-b7c0-45f5-a165-48d426d65a77%2Fimages%2F051e7ca9-9a75-44cf-ab21-79457c5548ac%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Chef Sean Brock on the Perils of Working Too Hard [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Chef Sean Brock on the Perils of Working Too Hard [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F601c372c-bf92-4547-a545-bab49df2a42f%2Fimages%2Fec8ca28a-34ca-4b7a-abf5-d14905f67c8f%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Eggs, Plus Wisdom From Two Master Bakers [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Eggs, Plus Wisdom From Two Master Bakers [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F960d61be-44cd-40d0-aa7e-f9bff2842b6a%2Fimages%2F792013f9-213e-479f-a8dd-881ed406db0f%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Pizza Dough; Amy Scherber and Melissa Weller on the Business of Baking [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Pizza Dough; Amy Scherber and Melissa Weller on the Business of Baking [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fe1b36513-e7fe-4ff8-b8ef-e152547f6ea6%2Fimages%2Fa341f5ab-ae25-4c16-8092-c284dbae7a5a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Competitive Cooking; Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on Being Gaijin [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Competitive Cooking; Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on Being Gaijin [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd3a9e5f4-51b0-43e0-af2e-07296c36ecd6%2Fimages%2F639c2ad6-036d-473c-ad87-7c2b3e20a675%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on The Gaijin Cookbook [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on The Gaijin Cookbook [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd2d441f7-f5a9-4c85-8e22-5fc1462e99f6%2Fimages%2Ff2b18ff6-29db-4ed0-ae9c-8d4847d61e83%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Browning Meat, Adam Chandler on Colonel Sanders's Wild Side [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Browning Meat, Adam Chandler on Colonel Sanders's Wild Side [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4f1697ec-1fbd-4b8e-b8b6-72686d5bf53f%2Fimages%2Fca45f557-9094-4fdb-a5bf-d82677ef7b74%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Fish Sauce and Adam Chandler on Fast Food [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Fish Sauce and Adam Chandler on Fast Food [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7943d3f9-a641-43d0-9cab-bcdd4d1b13e3%2Fimages%2F33ec1613-b6c5-45df-9c51-f86f15e282bc%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Freezing Chicken, Simone Tong on Making Mixian [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Freezing Chicken, Simone Tong on Making Mixian [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F04053d27-35d9-496b-b497-639e6deacbbd%2Fimages%2F77d14f3b-0c35-4db9-9aea-f71f60696151%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Starch, Simone Tong on the Ingredient She Hates [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Starch, Simone Tong on the Ingredient She Hates [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fddefdbda-4d32-4b4e-878f-959a94af54c9%2Fimages%2F75c41a43-1a06-4b27-9d88-b7c0c2201122%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce 2.0: Kenji on Grilling Naan and Nicholas Morgenstern on Sundaes [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce 2.0: Kenji on Grilling Naan and Nicholas Morgenstern on Sundaes [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F5381f30c-e225-4fda-bd63-dc9128f19f2d%2Fimages%2F05fe3612-c4d6-4dea-bc33-a20329e10d5b%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Introducing Special Sauce 2.0, with guest Nick Morgenstern [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Introducing Special Sauce 2.0, with guest Nick Morgenstern [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Ffbd86647-d643-4ed1-9cd7-4b38ae7ae98e%2Fimages%2F156847c0-bea7-4710-bc9f-636ab22040ba%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Author Tom Roston on Post-9/11 New York as Victim and Survivor [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Author Tom Roston on Post-9/11 New York as Victim and Survivor [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F9584802f-6914-425f-9a12-fea162b6fe45%2Fimages%2F77a4169d-fabb-408e-bbe9-654f988d5a6a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Tom Roston on the Untold Stories of Windows on the World [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Tom Roston on the Untold Stories of Windows on the World [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F69d67111-030f-49f2-857f-0e57f89d73b4%2Fimages%2F06428f60-3a99-4ce0-9159-ba3b73cde838%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Representation in Food Media [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Representation in Food Media [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7ee72d6c-e131-4922-b3f3-6efe58d4792a%2Fimages%2Fe77f675a-a527-493d-83d9-f1401c478d53%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Her Journey From Quantum Physics to Racist Sandwich [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Her Journey From Quantum Physics to Racist Sandwich [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4e7174d2-433b-4a51-84dd-4c5b2b68bfd5%2Fimages%2Fba4270b7-2011-47c3-b3d9-e97252076675%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on What's Next in Food Media [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on What's Next in Food Media [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fadd4119a-913a-4ea1-bb14-2289245cb9b6%2Fimages%2Fc7861060-83f5-41df-bc83-108eee3c4a96%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on Becoming Food Writers [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on Becoming Food Writers [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F111069f1-f6a6-4e75-8b39-967886f7186a%2Fimages%2F435fa8bf-4802-49ea-8b5f-80f72bbd191e%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Writing Son of a Southern Chef [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Writing Son of a Southern Chef [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F3ad6af20-86a0-41a4-a06d-6b953f541a8e%2Fimages%2F9f6b28a6-c613-4f39-b7d3-fc264d816fc3%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Cooking on Camera and Being Okay With Who You Are [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Cooking on Camera and Being Okay With Who You Are [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd86f8dbb-9e8e-49a6-80c2-896bf99598b7%2Fimages%2F3ea85061-5dc3-47d8-9f1e-de039eb89388%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alvin Cailan on What “American Food” Means in 2019 [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alvin Cailan on What “American Food” Means in 2019 [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd5de17d5-801b-4725-9529-1b430d16563e%2Fimages%2Fc724981a-e134-4c5b-b0d4-85372fcf852a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Eggslut’s Alvin Cailan on Ruckus-Causing as a Career Path [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Eggslut’s Alvin Cailan on Ruckus-Causing as a Career Path [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F6f96d993-5c80-402c-b8d1-01819ee1290a%2Fimages%2Ffded9817-9682-42d8-9f20-d8265f540ef5%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: Serious Eats Lives! [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: Serious Eats Lives! [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F98d29a49-2f0c-4577-b1ee-09c521ea5d8b%2Fimages%2F99ea578c-ead8-4ffb-b0ef-9c9ba3e3f38e%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: A Serious Eater Is Born! [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: A Serious Eater Is Born! [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fa5ea9ed8-a7b8-4c26-843e-ec8c4aecfbad%2Fimages%2F2c97a266-30af-467e-8e98-7a152c881635%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Kitchen as Laboratory [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Kitchen as Laboratory [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fb92efb25-c6d9-4937-a4ab-fa7fe78a23f5%2Fimages%2F709abde6-42e6-490c-9941-8822108e80b5%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Priya Krishna on Cooking and Being "Indian-ish" [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Priya Krishna on Cooking and Being "Indian-ish" [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7596f87b-6d4c-44e4-a2f6-0822bb1f5c30%2Fimages%2F2a621cd8-5657-4dac-ae07-0403bb6a76fd%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Priya Krishna on Special Sauce: How Indian-ish Came to Be [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Priya Krishna on Special Sauce: How Indian-ish Came to Be [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F3cc90cc6-a043-4e20-8a31-d047a375c869%2Fimages%2F6a18faad-6149-45c7-ad01-efc7121ac0e0%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Joe Yonan on Charting Your Own Path [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Joe Yonan on Charting Your Own Path [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fb9292008-729d-4cf1-a859-97212c23f35a%2Fimages%2F3e4e23e1-7186-4818-b626-ff3861240822%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
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Cookbook author (Seasons: Big Flavors, Beautiful Food), blogger (A Brown Table), and newspaper columnist (A Brown Kitchen) Nik Sharma made the perfect Special Sauce guest. Why? He has a great, dramatic story, and he isn't afraid to tell it like it is (or was).
Sharma grew up in India, and as a man who recognized that he was gay at a young age, he had a tough childhood. "At least back then, it wasn't talked about. I'm talking about in the late '80s, early '90s, when I kind of realized something was different about me. It was difficult, because I had nothing to compare anything to. The only stuff that I heard about in terms of gay life was about Indians who were either getting arrested, or bodily harm, or even being killed. So for me, that was quite terrifying. As a child, then you start- you think there's something wrong with you."
Sharma resolved to leave India, initially coming to the US to study to become a medical researcher. But his interest in food eventually drove him to the blogosphere. "I'm really passionate about flavor," he told me. "I’m really curious to see how people in different parts of the world approach the same ingredient or the same technique. I find it fascinating, because a lot of it is also a reflection of society, the socioeconomics of a country.... I find that fascinating, and I wanted to reflect that in my work. I started reading a lot, and also cooking and experimenting with flavor. That's what I started to do with the blog and bring that in."
Though Sharma's blog brought him enormous pleasure and a devoted following, it also brought him lots of uninvited blowback about his sexuality and the color of his skin. He found himself at a crossroads. "I think one of the things people forget [is] that when you write or you do something and you put it out there, you're making yourself vulnerable.... Fortunately, I took a step back, just to reevaluate my decisions in life at that point, whether I really wanted to do a blog. I said, ‘Well, you know, this is something that I'm actually enjoying more than I was before. I would be a fool to give it away just because of the opinions of a few. Let me stick to it, do it in my best way that I possibly could.’ So if they had to critique me, they could critique me on the quality of my work, but not on anything else."
When reading Sharma's book, I came across a passage that I found particularly beautiful, one that summed up both his relationship with food and what he's learned from his chosen career thus far. I loved it so much that I asked him to read it on the air, and he graciously obliged:
"Mine is the story of a gay immigrant told through food. It has been a journey of self-discovery I embarked on more than a decade ago. One that taught me to recognize the inherent tension between originality and tradition, and to opt for the former without rejecting the latter. It's been a journey of acclimatization, adaptation, and acceptance. During times of discomfort, food became my friend and teacher. It taught me to reinterpret conventional techniques and flavors, and apply these reinterpretations to my food that would become a part of my new life in America. Seasoning is more than just a way to achieve flavor in the food we eat. It represents our desire to connect with our past, present, and future. It tells our story."
To hear more from this eloquent writer, you're just going to have to listen to the whole episode.
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