
Serious Eats' podcast Special Sauce enables food lovers everywhere to eavesdrop on an intimate conversation about food and life between host and Serious Eats founder Ed Levine and his well-known/famous friends and acquaintances both in and out of the food culture.
Serious Eats' podcast Special Sauce enables food lovers everywhere to eavesdrop on an intimate conversation about food and life between host and Serious Eats founder Ed Levine and his well-known/famous friends and acquaintances both in and out of the food culture.
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Eggslut’s Alvin Cailan on Ruckus-Causing as a Career Path [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Eggslut’s Alvin Cailan on Ruckus-Causing as a Career Path [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F6f96d993-5c80-402c-b8d1-01819ee1290a%2Fimages%2Ffded9817-9682-42d8-9f20-d8265f540ef5%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
















































































































































































































![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Smashed Burgers; Susan Spungen on Sprezzatura [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Smashed Burgers; Susan Spungen on Sprezzatura [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F2b56a30a-ecd6-486c-9872-f604822602bb%2Fimages%2F1e5aa3a6-894f-40d6-b087-8a0517d0eb43%2FSusanSpungen-credit-Gentl-Hyers1.jpg&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Butter; Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Being Optimistic [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Butter; Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Being Optimistic [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fcf8f5810-4d3c-461e-86f3-c95b1e45fe16%2Fimages%2F7e16abc6-0358-4161-af31-e5031d0f1167%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: “Ask Kenji” Is Back! And Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Selling Cheese During the Pandemic [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: “Ask Kenji” Is Back! And Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Selling Cheese During the Pandemic [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Faec8da76-e617-44dc-9aed-7fa152a0ad4e%2Fimages%2F84a7810e-f928-421c-9419-08efad41d48d%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alexander Smalls on How Food and Music Nurture Hope and Connection [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alexander Smalls on How Food and Music Nurture Hope and Connection [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fa3ecce62-17b2-4b6f-bfbe-d0d498e7c46b%2Fimages%2F6d1fd8ea-8c16-4b4e-b40c-095e53b1a4df%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: After a Tony, a Grammy, and a Beard, Alexander Smalls on What’s Next [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: After a Tony, a Grammy, and a Beard, Alexander Smalls on What’s Next [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F42e83659-a854-4c1f-a84d-a2d09e6a5e14%2Fimages%2F71fe7933-0125-455f-a6a7-ad7a53af210d%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Cookbook Author Susan Spungen on Craving Togetherness [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Cookbook Author Susan Spungen on Craving Togetherness [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F91f1ef64-3162-4f5f-b132-587b43061fdc%2Fimages%2Fb80d2477-21d7-4024-a213-b7995229172b%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT’s Pete Wells on the Future of Restaurant Criticism [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT’s Pete Wells on the Future of Restaurant Criticism [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F8a4c058a-4314-4b7d-9321-4669a6e16d8b%2Fimages%2F5f4d889f-2a1e-4e1a-ad8a-e39e71264daf%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT Restaurant Critic Pete Wells on the State of the Industry [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT Restaurant Critic Pete Wells on the State of the Industry [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4d5dfff3-3c00-49e4-b1d4-da5126d805cd%2Fimages%2F3cc623b0-d0ea-4ded-abb1-8d0ec6121701%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)






![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Claudia Fleming on the Pitfalls of Your Passion [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Claudia Fleming on the Pitfalls of Your Passion [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F05926518-99d0-4238-ab87-a495f37237d0%2Fimages%2Fd248485b-30de-4e8b-8f3b-98bdd10be6bb%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Vegetarian Chile Verde, Claudia Fleming on Lego Desserts [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Vegetarian Chile Verde, Claudia Fleming on Lego Desserts [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F2d5ff871-3b8a-467f-8702-e576e217d2a6%2Fimages%2F7e136257-fbdd-446a-8ca8-fe1875af3d96%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Misha Collins on Pasta With Jam Sauce and Random Acts of Kindness [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Misha Collins on Pasta With Jam Sauce and Random Acts of Kindness [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fe9aeaff6-8db6-4ece-b238-10c1d1562483%2Fimages%2Ff1d5ab52-4847-402d-b2e2-589f13bbf625%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Supernatural Star Misha Collins [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Supernatural Star Misha Collins [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fba753908-fb8f-405c-a46b-8059bf7c44bc%2Fimages%2F0e94ac48-5504-4642-9301-70852a8c03c3%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Maangchi on Being the Korean Julia Child [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Maangchi on Being the Korean Julia Child [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F595c7628-6a29-4ddf-bb61-e9bf8902e65c%2Fimages%2F8080bbc9-efa5-4e21-aefb-a0bcb433c1b7%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking for His Kid, and Maangchi on Becoming a YouTube Sensation [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking for His Kid, and Maangchi on Becoming a YouTube Sensation [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fee87f617-47ee-46f1-9bb1-44c86f354315%2Fimages%2Fecf7c490-2474-426b-a008-356172902a41%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Sean Brock on the Distinction Between Happiness and Success [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Sean Brock on the Distinction Between Happiness and Success [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fc872f83e-b7c0-45f5-a165-48d426d65a77%2Fimages%2F051e7ca9-9a75-44cf-ab21-79457c5548ac%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Chef Sean Brock on the Perils of Working Too Hard [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Chef Sean Brock on the Perils of Working Too Hard [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F601c372c-bf92-4547-a545-bab49df2a42f%2Fimages%2Fec8ca28a-34ca-4b7a-abf5-d14905f67c8f%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Eggs, Plus Wisdom From Two Master Bakers [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Eggs, Plus Wisdom From Two Master Bakers [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F960d61be-44cd-40d0-aa7e-f9bff2842b6a%2Fimages%2F792013f9-213e-479f-a8dd-881ed406db0f%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Pizza Dough; Amy Scherber and Melissa Weller on the Business of Baking [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Pizza Dough; Amy Scherber and Melissa Weller on the Business of Baking [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fe1b36513-e7fe-4ff8-b8ef-e152547f6ea6%2Fimages%2Fa341f5ab-ae25-4c16-8092-c284dbae7a5a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Competitive Cooking; Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on Being Gaijin [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Competitive Cooking; Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on Being Gaijin [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd3a9e5f4-51b0-43e0-af2e-07296c36ecd6%2Fimages%2F639c2ad6-036d-473c-ad87-7c2b3e20a675%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on The Gaijin Cookbook [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on The Gaijin Cookbook [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd2d441f7-f5a9-4c85-8e22-5fc1462e99f6%2Fimages%2Ff2b18ff6-29db-4ed0-ae9c-8d4847d61e83%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Browning Meat, Adam Chandler on Colonel Sanders's Wild Side [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Browning Meat, Adam Chandler on Colonel Sanders's Wild Side [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4f1697ec-1fbd-4b8e-b8b6-72686d5bf53f%2Fimages%2Fca45f557-9094-4fdb-a5bf-d82677ef7b74%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Fish Sauce and Adam Chandler on Fast Food [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Fish Sauce and Adam Chandler on Fast Food [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7943d3f9-a641-43d0-9cab-bcdd4d1b13e3%2Fimages%2F33ec1613-b6c5-45df-9c51-f86f15e282bc%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Freezing Chicken, Simone Tong on Making Mixian [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Freezing Chicken, Simone Tong on Making Mixian [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F04053d27-35d9-496b-b497-639e6deacbbd%2Fimages%2F77d14f3b-0c35-4db9-9aea-f71f60696151%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Starch, Simone Tong on the Ingredient She Hates [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Starch, Simone Tong on the Ingredient She Hates [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fddefdbda-4d32-4b4e-878f-959a94af54c9%2Fimages%2F75c41a43-1a06-4b27-9d88-b7c0c2201122%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce 2.0: Kenji on Grilling Naan and Nicholas Morgenstern on Sundaes [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce 2.0: Kenji on Grilling Naan and Nicholas Morgenstern on Sundaes [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F5381f30c-e225-4fda-bd63-dc9128f19f2d%2Fimages%2F05fe3612-c4d6-4dea-bc33-a20329e10d5b%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Introducing Special Sauce 2.0, with guest Nick Morgenstern [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Introducing Special Sauce 2.0, with guest Nick Morgenstern [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Ffbd86647-d643-4ed1-9cd7-4b38ae7ae98e%2Fimages%2F156847c0-bea7-4710-bc9f-636ab22040ba%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Author Tom Roston on Post-9/11 New York as Victim and Survivor [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Author Tom Roston on Post-9/11 New York as Victim and Survivor [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F9584802f-6914-425f-9a12-fea162b6fe45%2Fimages%2F77a4169d-fabb-408e-bbe9-654f988d5a6a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Tom Roston on the Untold Stories of Windows on the World [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Tom Roston on the Untold Stories of Windows on the World [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F69d67111-030f-49f2-857f-0e57f89d73b4%2Fimages%2F06428f60-3a99-4ce0-9159-ba3b73cde838%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Representation in Food Media [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Representation in Food Media [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7ee72d6c-e131-4922-b3f3-6efe58d4792a%2Fimages%2Fe77f675a-a527-493d-83d9-f1401c478d53%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Her Journey From Quantum Physics to Racist Sandwich [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Her Journey From Quantum Physics to Racist Sandwich [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4e7174d2-433b-4a51-84dd-4c5b2b68bfd5%2Fimages%2Fba4270b7-2011-47c3-b3d9-e97252076675%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on What's Next in Food Media [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on What's Next in Food Media [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fadd4119a-913a-4ea1-bb14-2289245cb9b6%2Fimages%2Fc7861060-83f5-41df-bc83-108eee3c4a96%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on Becoming Food Writers [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on Becoming Food Writers [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F111069f1-f6a6-4e75-8b39-967886f7186a%2Fimages%2F435fa8bf-4802-49ea-8b5f-80f72bbd191e%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Writing Son of a Southern Chef [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Writing Son of a Southern Chef [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F3ad6af20-86a0-41a4-a06d-6b953f541a8e%2Fimages%2F9f6b28a6-c613-4f39-b7d3-fc264d816fc3%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Cooking on Camera and Being Okay With Who You Are [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Cooking on Camera and Being Okay With Who You Are [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd86f8dbb-9e8e-49a6-80c2-896bf99598b7%2Fimages%2F3ea85061-5dc3-47d8-9f1e-de039eb89388%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alvin Cailan on What “American Food” Means in 2019 [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alvin Cailan on What “American Food” Means in 2019 [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd5de17d5-801b-4725-9529-1b430d16563e%2Fimages%2Fc724981a-e134-4c5b-b0d4-85372fcf852a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: Serious Eats Lives! [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: Serious Eats Lives! [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F98d29a49-2f0c-4577-b1ee-09c521ea5d8b%2Fimages%2F99ea578c-ead8-4ffb-b0ef-9c9ba3e3f38e%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: A Serious Eater Is Born! [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: A Serious Eater Is Born! [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fa5ea9ed8-a7b8-4c26-843e-ec8c4aecfbad%2Fimages%2F2c97a266-30af-467e-8e98-7a152c881635%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Kitchen as Laboratory [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Kitchen as Laboratory [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fb92efb25-c6d9-4937-a4ab-fa7fe78a23f5%2Fimages%2F709abde6-42e6-490c-9941-8822108e80b5%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Stories Told by Seasoning [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Stories Told by Seasoning [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F9ca97fcf-3db4-43d1-8de7-44b4e04fcbf7%2Fimages%2Fa74e03f3-1c7a-46b4-8f91-590e88686da2%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Priya Krishna on Cooking and Being "Indian-ish" [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Priya Krishna on Cooking and Being "Indian-ish" [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7596f87b-6d4c-44e4-a2f6-0822bb1f5c30%2Fimages%2F2a621cd8-5657-4dac-ae07-0403bb6a76fd%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Priya Krishna on Special Sauce: How Indian-ish Came to Be [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Priya Krishna on Special Sauce: How Indian-ish Came to Be [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F3cc90cc6-a043-4e20-8a31-d047a375c869%2Fimages%2F6a18faad-6149-45c7-ad01-efc7121ac0e0%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Joe Yonan on Charting Your Own Path [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Joe Yonan on Charting Your Own Path [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fb9292008-729d-4cf1-a859-97212c23f35a%2Fimages%2F3e4e23e1-7186-4818-b626-ff3861240822%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
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Every now and then on Special Sauce, I just hit it off with a guest, feeling immediately as if I've known them all my life. That's what happened when I talked with Eggslut founder, chef-restaurateur, and ruckus-causer Alvin Cailan.
Cailan, who grew up in an LA suburb, got his first kitchen job while still in his teen years, washing dishes at a retreat house run by the Catholic Church. His very religious mother thought it would keep her wayward son out of trouble, and it worked- sort of. "[I was] in my car on my breaks...getting stoned, and the next thing you know, a nun would knock on your window and was like, 'Hey!' And I'm like, 'Oh, my God'.... And so I slowly started to change, because their way of fixing that was giving me more responsibility.... At first, I was hired as a dishwasher, and the next thing you know, I'm the janitor. Next thing you know, I'm the prep cook, and the next thing you know, I'm on the line cooking food."
After college, Cailan went into construction management, but his heart remained in cooking, big time. "It was very tough, because every day I would look up recipes, and then every Friday, when I'd get my check...I would go to the gourmet grocery store, I would go to Costco. I would break down whole tenderloins, and I would buy pork butts, and I would smoke them all weekend, and that was the thing I wanted to do. I was like, this is what I'm supposed to do. And one day, after wrapping up an invoice for $40,000 for a reconstruction of a bathroom, I think that was probably the line in the sand. I was like, I've got to do something different."
Cailan moved to Portland, Oregon, where he worked in fine-dining kitchens and learned how to make charcuterie at Olympia Provisions. But, impatient to start his own project, he saved up some money and started Eggslut in 2010, serving a variety of gourmet egg sandwiches from a food truck. "I was approaching 30 years old, and I was like, man, I really need to step up my culinary game.... I wasn't really getting the opportunity to get the big-salary positions in these [fine-dining] restaurants, and so I was like, you know what? I'm going to take it up into my own hands."
When Cailan first started Eggslut, he had enough money to keep it going for just six months- which meant he had six months to "cause some type of ruckus," as he puts it, and get his business noticed. "[My generation] is like the gangster rap/punk rock era of chefs, where, in 2010, 2011, there were so many celebrity chefs. I mean, there was—like, every single person was getting a show on the Food Network. They were either going on Cutthroat Kitchen, or they're going on Chopped, or Top Chef, and they were becoming these mega-superstars, but then these dudes that are, like, line cooks that are hard-working, who've been doing it for years, were not getting any visibility whatsoever."
Cailan then moved back to Los Angeles and started another Eggslut food truck. There, a food critic forever altered the course of his career after trying his signature dish- the "Slut," a coddled egg set on what Cailan calls "[Joël] Robuchon buttery potatoes." Which food critic was it? All I'll say is that it's not who you'd think. Just listen to this week's episode of Special Sauce to find out.
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The full transcript for this episode can be found over here at Serious Eats: https://www.seriouseats.com/2019/07/special-sauce-alvin-cailan-part-1.html
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