
Serious Eats' podcast Special Sauce enables food lovers everywhere to eavesdrop on an intimate conversation about food and life between host and Serious Eats founder Ed Levine and his well-known/famous friends and acquaintances both in and out of the food culture.
Serious Eats' podcast Special Sauce enables food lovers everywhere to eavesdrop on an intimate conversation about food and life between host and Serious Eats founder Ed Levine and his well-known/famous friends and acquaintances both in and out of the food culture.
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt and Allison Robicelli on Cupcakes and the Bonds of Suffering [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt and Allison Robicelli on Cupcakes and the Bonds of Suffering [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F5c226f5a-4557-45cc-950a-f65a079fb79d%2Fimages%2F6ff94a00-375a-475d-b8e6-62ce5165c6f3%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)



















































































































































































































![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Smashed Burgers; Susan Spungen on Sprezzatura [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Smashed Burgers; Susan Spungen on Sprezzatura [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F2b56a30a-ecd6-486c-9872-f604822602bb%2Fimages%2F1e5aa3a6-894f-40d6-b087-8a0517d0eb43%2FSusanSpungen-credit-Gentl-Hyers1.jpg&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Butter; Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Being Optimistic [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Butter; Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Being Optimistic [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fcf8f5810-4d3c-461e-86f3-c95b1e45fe16%2Fimages%2F7e16abc6-0358-4161-af31-e5031d0f1167%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: “Ask Kenji” Is Back! And Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Selling Cheese During the Pandemic [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: “Ask Kenji” Is Back! And Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Selling Cheese During the Pandemic [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Faec8da76-e617-44dc-9aed-7fa152a0ad4e%2Fimages%2F84a7810e-f928-421c-9419-08efad41d48d%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alexander Smalls on How Food and Music Nurture Hope and Connection [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alexander Smalls on How Food and Music Nurture Hope and Connection [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fa3ecce62-17b2-4b6f-bfbe-d0d498e7c46b%2Fimages%2F6d1fd8ea-8c16-4b4e-b40c-095e53b1a4df%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: After a Tony, a Grammy, and a Beard, Alexander Smalls on What’s Next [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: After a Tony, a Grammy, and a Beard, Alexander Smalls on What’s Next [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F42e83659-a854-4c1f-a84d-a2d09e6a5e14%2Fimages%2F71fe7933-0125-455f-a6a7-ad7a53af210d%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Cookbook Author Susan Spungen on Craving Togetherness [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Cookbook Author Susan Spungen on Craving Togetherness [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F91f1ef64-3162-4f5f-b132-587b43061fdc%2Fimages%2Fb80d2477-21d7-4024-a213-b7995229172b%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT’s Pete Wells on the Future of Restaurant Criticism [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT’s Pete Wells on the Future of Restaurant Criticism [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F8a4c058a-4314-4b7d-9321-4669a6e16d8b%2Fimages%2F5f4d889f-2a1e-4e1a-ad8a-e39e71264daf%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT Restaurant Critic Pete Wells on the State of the Industry [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT Restaurant Critic Pete Wells on the State of the Industry [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4d5dfff3-3c00-49e4-b1d4-da5126d805cd%2Fimages%2F3cc623b0-d0ea-4ded-abb1-8d0ec6121701%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)






![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Claudia Fleming on the Pitfalls of Your Passion [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Claudia Fleming on the Pitfalls of Your Passion [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F05926518-99d0-4238-ab87-a495f37237d0%2Fimages%2Fd248485b-30de-4e8b-8f3b-98bdd10be6bb%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Vegetarian Chile Verde, Claudia Fleming on Lego Desserts [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Vegetarian Chile Verde, Claudia Fleming on Lego Desserts [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F2d5ff871-3b8a-467f-8702-e576e217d2a6%2Fimages%2F7e136257-fbdd-446a-8ca8-fe1875af3d96%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Misha Collins on Pasta With Jam Sauce and Random Acts of Kindness [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Misha Collins on Pasta With Jam Sauce and Random Acts of Kindness [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fe9aeaff6-8db6-4ece-b238-10c1d1562483%2Fimages%2Ff1d5ab52-4847-402d-b2e2-589f13bbf625%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Supernatural Star Misha Collins [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Supernatural Star Misha Collins [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fba753908-fb8f-405c-a46b-8059bf7c44bc%2Fimages%2F0e94ac48-5504-4642-9301-70852a8c03c3%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Maangchi on Being the Korean Julia Child [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Maangchi on Being the Korean Julia Child [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F595c7628-6a29-4ddf-bb61-e9bf8902e65c%2Fimages%2F8080bbc9-efa5-4e21-aefb-a0bcb433c1b7%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking for His Kid, and Maangchi on Becoming a YouTube Sensation [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking for His Kid, and Maangchi on Becoming a YouTube Sensation [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fee87f617-47ee-46f1-9bb1-44c86f354315%2Fimages%2Fecf7c490-2474-426b-a008-356172902a41%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Sean Brock on the Distinction Between Happiness and Success [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Sean Brock on the Distinction Between Happiness and Success [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fc872f83e-b7c0-45f5-a165-48d426d65a77%2Fimages%2F051e7ca9-9a75-44cf-ab21-79457c5548ac%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Chef Sean Brock on the Perils of Working Too Hard [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Chef Sean Brock on the Perils of Working Too Hard [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F601c372c-bf92-4547-a545-bab49df2a42f%2Fimages%2Fec8ca28a-34ca-4b7a-abf5-d14905f67c8f%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Eggs, Plus Wisdom From Two Master Bakers [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Eggs, Plus Wisdom From Two Master Bakers [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F960d61be-44cd-40d0-aa7e-f9bff2842b6a%2Fimages%2F792013f9-213e-479f-a8dd-881ed406db0f%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Pizza Dough; Amy Scherber and Melissa Weller on the Business of Baking [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Pizza Dough; Amy Scherber and Melissa Weller on the Business of Baking [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fe1b36513-e7fe-4ff8-b8ef-e152547f6ea6%2Fimages%2Fa341f5ab-ae25-4c16-8092-c284dbae7a5a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Competitive Cooking; Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on Being Gaijin [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Competitive Cooking; Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on Being Gaijin [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd3a9e5f4-51b0-43e0-af2e-07296c36ecd6%2Fimages%2F639c2ad6-036d-473c-ad87-7c2b3e20a675%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on The Gaijin Cookbook [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on The Gaijin Cookbook [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd2d441f7-f5a9-4c85-8e22-5fc1462e99f6%2Fimages%2Ff2b18ff6-29db-4ed0-ae9c-8d4847d61e83%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Browning Meat, Adam Chandler on Colonel Sanders's Wild Side [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Browning Meat, Adam Chandler on Colonel Sanders's Wild Side [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4f1697ec-1fbd-4b8e-b8b6-72686d5bf53f%2Fimages%2Fca45f557-9094-4fdb-a5bf-d82677ef7b74%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Fish Sauce and Adam Chandler on Fast Food [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Fish Sauce and Adam Chandler on Fast Food [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7943d3f9-a641-43d0-9cab-bcdd4d1b13e3%2Fimages%2F33ec1613-b6c5-45df-9c51-f86f15e282bc%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Freezing Chicken, Simone Tong on Making Mixian [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Freezing Chicken, Simone Tong on Making Mixian [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F04053d27-35d9-496b-b497-639e6deacbbd%2Fimages%2F77d14f3b-0c35-4db9-9aea-f71f60696151%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Starch, Simone Tong on the Ingredient She Hates [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Starch, Simone Tong on the Ingredient She Hates [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fddefdbda-4d32-4b4e-878f-959a94af54c9%2Fimages%2F75c41a43-1a06-4b27-9d88-b7c0c2201122%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce 2.0: Kenji on Grilling Naan and Nicholas Morgenstern on Sundaes [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce 2.0: Kenji on Grilling Naan and Nicholas Morgenstern on Sundaes [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F5381f30c-e225-4fda-bd63-dc9128f19f2d%2Fimages%2F05fe3612-c4d6-4dea-bc33-a20329e10d5b%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Introducing Special Sauce 2.0, with guest Nick Morgenstern [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Introducing Special Sauce 2.0, with guest Nick Morgenstern [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Ffbd86647-d643-4ed1-9cd7-4b38ae7ae98e%2Fimages%2F156847c0-bea7-4710-bc9f-636ab22040ba%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Author Tom Roston on Post-9/11 New York as Victim and Survivor [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Author Tom Roston on Post-9/11 New York as Victim and Survivor [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F9584802f-6914-425f-9a12-fea162b6fe45%2Fimages%2F77a4169d-fabb-408e-bbe9-654f988d5a6a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Tom Roston on the Untold Stories of Windows on the World [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Tom Roston on the Untold Stories of Windows on the World [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F69d67111-030f-49f2-857f-0e57f89d73b4%2Fimages%2F06428f60-3a99-4ce0-9159-ba3b73cde838%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Representation in Food Media [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Representation in Food Media [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7ee72d6c-e131-4922-b3f3-6efe58d4792a%2Fimages%2Fe77f675a-a527-493d-83d9-f1401c478d53%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Her Journey From Quantum Physics to Racist Sandwich [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Her Journey From Quantum Physics to Racist Sandwich [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4e7174d2-433b-4a51-84dd-4c5b2b68bfd5%2Fimages%2Fba4270b7-2011-47c3-b3d9-e97252076675%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on What's Next in Food Media [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on What's Next in Food Media [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fadd4119a-913a-4ea1-bb14-2289245cb9b6%2Fimages%2Fc7861060-83f5-41df-bc83-108eee3c4a96%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on Becoming Food Writers [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on Becoming Food Writers [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F111069f1-f6a6-4e75-8b39-967886f7186a%2Fimages%2F435fa8bf-4802-49ea-8b5f-80f72bbd191e%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Writing Son of a Southern Chef [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Writing Son of a Southern Chef [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F3ad6af20-86a0-41a4-a06d-6b953f541a8e%2Fimages%2F9f6b28a6-c613-4f39-b7d3-fc264d816fc3%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Cooking on Camera and Being Okay With Who You Are [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Cooking on Camera and Being Okay With Who You Are [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd86f8dbb-9e8e-49a6-80c2-896bf99598b7%2Fimages%2F3ea85061-5dc3-47d8-9f1e-de039eb89388%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alvin Cailan on What “American Food” Means in 2019 [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alvin Cailan on What “American Food” Means in 2019 [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd5de17d5-801b-4725-9529-1b430d16563e%2Fimages%2Fc724981a-e134-4c5b-b0d4-85372fcf852a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Eggslut’s Alvin Cailan on Ruckus-Causing as a Career Path [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Eggslut’s Alvin Cailan on Ruckus-Causing as a Career Path [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F6f96d993-5c80-402c-b8d1-01819ee1290a%2Fimages%2Ffded9817-9682-42d8-9f20-d8265f540ef5%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: Serious Eats Lives! [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: Serious Eats Lives! [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F98d29a49-2f0c-4577-b1ee-09c521ea5d8b%2Fimages%2F99ea578c-ead8-4ffb-b0ef-9c9ba3e3f38e%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: A Serious Eater Is Born! [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: A Serious Eater Is Born! [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fa5ea9ed8-a7b8-4c26-843e-ec8c4aecfbad%2Fimages%2F2c97a266-30af-467e-8e98-7a152c881635%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Kitchen as Laboratory [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Kitchen as Laboratory [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fb92efb25-c6d9-4937-a4ab-fa7fe78a23f5%2Fimages%2F709abde6-42e6-490c-9941-8822108e80b5%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Stories Told by Seasoning [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Stories Told by Seasoning [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F9ca97fcf-3db4-43d1-8de7-44b4e04fcbf7%2Fimages%2Fa74e03f3-1c7a-46b4-8f91-590e88686da2%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Priya Krishna on Cooking and Being "Indian-ish" [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Priya Krishna on Cooking and Being "Indian-ish" [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7596f87b-6d4c-44e4-a2f6-0822bb1f5c30%2Fimages%2F2a621cd8-5657-4dac-ae07-0403bb6a76fd%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Priya Krishna on Special Sauce: How Indian-ish Came to Be [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Priya Krishna on Special Sauce: How Indian-ish Came to Be [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F3cc90cc6-a043-4e20-8a31-d047a375c869%2Fimages%2F6a18faad-6149-45c7-ad01-efc7121ac0e0%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
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Sometimes our Special Sauce guests are just so idiosyncratic, so entertaining, so thoughtful, and so zany, I find myself alternately laughing and near tears for an hour and a half straight. That's what happened when I had Matt and Allison Robicelli on the podcast.
Allison is a longtime baker, cook, and James Beard- nominated food writer; Matt is a graduate of the French Culinary Institute who has cooked at City Bakery and Lutèce. Together, they opened the acclaimed bakery Robicelli's in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn (which closed in 2015), and wrote a cookbook, Robicelli's: A Love Story, With Cupcakes. But before all of that- before they ever met, in fact- each of them faced life-changing events that indirectly led them to pursue their culinary interests professionally: Allison was diagnosed with stage IV Hodgkin's lymphoma, and Matt was a paramedic who suffered injuries while responding at the World Trade Center on 9/11.
Neither had even reached their 21st birthday at the time, which helped them bond when they finally met. "I think one of the reasons we got along so well was because after I survived cancer, it's really hard to relate to somebody who's 22 and didn't go through that," Allison says.
Nowadays, Matt and Allison run a culinary consulting business, co-own a couple of New York food businesses, and host their own podcast, The Robicelli Argument Clinic, whose name is self-explanatory: "We just quibble a lot, and we argue," Allison says. "We've been together for 14 years, and somebody was like, that's entertaining. Cut to tape. That was it. So we decided to do a podcast of just- we have these ridiculous arguments, just any kind of food topic. We just want to have more fun."
I asked my standard question about what life was like at Matt and Allison's respective family tables when they were growing up. Allison dispelled the stereotype that everyone has warm and fuzzy memories of their childhood dinners: "I remember a lot of yelling [in my family], I remember putting a TV there because that would shut everybody up.... Food can bring up all the memories. It can bring up all of the feelings. It's complicated just like we are. I think that's the kind of beauty about it."
Family meals don't have to resemble a Norman Rockwell painting, Allison contends: "There's all these beautiful stories on the internet about the family table, and not everybody had it. You know what? That's okay. If your family dinner was eating McDonald's in the car alone- that's fine." The table that the Robicellis share nowadays includes their two preteen boys, Toby and Atticus, and that makes mealtimes predictably challenging. "The pickiest eaters I've ever met," Allison calls them. "They drive me insane."
In keeping with their own podcast style, my conversation with the Robicellis turned out to be a series of wacky and wise, well, arguments, and you'll have to listen to this episode and the one that follows to enjoy them. Matt and Allison are two wonderfully human interviewees, and great company. My guess is that they'll make you laugh as hard as I laughed, and they might make you cry as well.
The full transcript for this episode can be found over here at Serious Eats: https://www.seriouseats.com/preview?record=443265
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