
Serious Eats' podcast Special Sauce enables food lovers everywhere to eavesdrop on an intimate conversation about food and life between host and Serious Eats founder Ed Levine and his well-known/famous friends and acquaintances both in and out of the food culture.
Serious Eats' podcast Special Sauce enables food lovers everywhere to eavesdrop on an intimate conversation about food and life between host and Serious Eats founder Ed Levine and his well-known/famous friends and acquaintances both in and out of the food culture.
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![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Smashed Burgers; Susan Spungen on Sprezzatura [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Smashed Burgers; Susan Spungen on Sprezzatura [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F2b56a30a-ecd6-486c-9872-f604822602bb%2Fimages%2F1e5aa3a6-894f-40d6-b087-8a0517d0eb43%2FSusanSpungen-credit-Gentl-Hyers1.jpg&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Butter; Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Being Optimistic [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Butter; Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Being Optimistic [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fcf8f5810-4d3c-461e-86f3-c95b1e45fe16%2Fimages%2F7e16abc6-0358-4161-af31-e5031d0f1167%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: “Ask Kenji” Is Back! And Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Selling Cheese During the Pandemic [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: “Ask Kenji” Is Back! And Anne Saxelby and Sheila Flanagan on Selling Cheese During the Pandemic [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Faec8da76-e617-44dc-9aed-7fa152a0ad4e%2Fimages%2F84a7810e-f928-421c-9419-08efad41d48d%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alexander Smalls on How Food and Music Nurture Hope and Connection [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alexander Smalls on How Food and Music Nurture Hope and Connection [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fa3ecce62-17b2-4b6f-bfbe-d0d498e7c46b%2Fimages%2F6d1fd8ea-8c16-4b4e-b40c-095e53b1a4df%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: After a Tony, a Grammy, and a Beard, Alexander Smalls on What’s Next [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: After a Tony, a Grammy, and a Beard, Alexander Smalls on What’s Next [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F42e83659-a854-4c1f-a84d-a2d09e6a5e14%2Fimages%2F71fe7933-0125-455f-a6a7-ad7a53af210d%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Cookbook Author Susan Spungen on Craving Togetherness [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Cookbook Author Susan Spungen on Craving Togetherness [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F91f1ef64-3162-4f5f-b132-587b43061fdc%2Fimages%2Fb80d2477-21d7-4024-a213-b7995229172b%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT’s Pete Wells on the Future of Restaurant Criticism [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT’s Pete Wells on the Future of Restaurant Criticism [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F8a4c058a-4314-4b7d-9321-4669a6e16d8b%2Fimages%2F5f4d889f-2a1e-4e1a-ad8a-e39e71264daf%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT Restaurant Critic Pete Wells on the State of the Industry [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: NYT Restaurant Critic Pete Wells on the State of the Industry [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4d5dfff3-3c00-49e4-b1d4-da5126d805cd%2Fimages%2F3cc623b0-d0ea-4ded-abb1-8d0ec6121701%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)






![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Claudia Fleming on the Pitfalls of Your Passion [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Claudia Fleming on the Pitfalls of Your Passion [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F05926518-99d0-4238-ab87-a495f37237d0%2Fimages%2Fd248485b-30de-4e8b-8f3b-98bdd10be6bb%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Vegetarian Chile Verde, Claudia Fleming on Lego Desserts [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Vegetarian Chile Verde, Claudia Fleming on Lego Desserts [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F2d5ff871-3b8a-467f-8702-e576e217d2a6%2Fimages%2F7e136257-fbdd-446a-8ca8-fe1875af3d96%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Misha Collins on Pasta With Jam Sauce and Random Acts of Kindness [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Misha Collins on Pasta With Jam Sauce and Random Acts of Kindness [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fe9aeaff6-8db6-4ece-b238-10c1d1562483%2Fimages%2Ff1d5ab52-4847-402d-b2e2-589f13bbf625%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Supernatural Star Misha Collins [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Supernatural Star Misha Collins [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fba753908-fb8f-405c-a46b-8059bf7c44bc%2Fimages%2F0e94ac48-5504-4642-9301-70852a8c03c3%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Maangchi on Being the Korean Julia Child [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Maangchi on Being the Korean Julia Child [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F595c7628-6a29-4ddf-bb61-e9bf8902e65c%2Fimages%2F8080bbc9-efa5-4e21-aefb-a0bcb433c1b7%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking for His Kid, and Maangchi on Becoming a YouTube Sensation [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking for His Kid, and Maangchi on Becoming a YouTube Sensation [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fee87f617-47ee-46f1-9bb1-44c86f354315%2Fimages%2Fecf7c490-2474-426b-a008-356172902a41%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Sean Brock on the Distinction Between Happiness and Success [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Sean Brock on the Distinction Between Happiness and Success [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fc872f83e-b7c0-45f5-a165-48d426d65a77%2Fimages%2F051e7ca9-9a75-44cf-ab21-79457c5548ac%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Chef Sean Brock on the Perils of Working Too Hard [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Chef Sean Brock on the Perils of Working Too Hard [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F601c372c-bf92-4547-a545-bab49df2a42f%2Fimages%2Fec8ca28a-34ca-4b7a-abf5-d14905f67c8f%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Eggs, Plus Wisdom From Two Master Bakers [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Eggs, Plus Wisdom From Two Master Bakers [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F960d61be-44cd-40d0-aa7e-f9bff2842b6a%2Fimages%2F792013f9-213e-479f-a8dd-881ed406db0f%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Pizza Dough; Amy Scherber and Melissa Weller on the Business of Baking [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Pizza Dough; Amy Scherber and Melissa Weller on the Business of Baking [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fe1b36513-e7fe-4ff8-b8ef-e152547f6ea6%2Fimages%2Fa341f5ab-ae25-4c16-8092-c284dbae7a5a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)

![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Competitive Cooking; Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on Being Gaijin [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Competitive Cooking; Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on Being Gaijin [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd3a9e5f4-51b0-43e0-af2e-07296c36ecd6%2Fimages%2F639c2ad6-036d-473c-ad87-7c2b3e20a675%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on The Gaijin Cookbook [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Ivan Orkin and Chris Ying on The Gaijin Cookbook [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd2d441f7-f5a9-4c85-8e22-5fc1462e99f6%2Fimages%2Ff2b18ff6-29db-4ed0-ae9c-8d4847d61e83%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Browning Meat, Adam Chandler on Colonel Sanders's Wild Side [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Browning Meat, Adam Chandler on Colonel Sanders's Wild Side [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4f1697ec-1fbd-4b8e-b8b6-72686d5bf53f%2Fimages%2Fca45f557-9094-4fdb-a5bf-d82677ef7b74%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Fish Sauce and Adam Chandler on Fast Food [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Fish Sauce and Adam Chandler on Fast Food [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7943d3f9-a641-43d0-9cab-bcdd4d1b13e3%2Fimages%2F33ec1613-b6c5-45df-9c51-f86f15e282bc%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Freezing Chicken, Simone Tong on Making Mixian [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Freezing Chicken, Simone Tong on Making Mixian [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F04053d27-35d9-496b-b497-639e6deacbbd%2Fimages%2F77d14f3b-0c35-4db9-9aea-f71f60696151%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Starch, Simone Tong on the Ingredient She Hates [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Kenji on Cooking With Starch, Simone Tong on the Ingredient She Hates [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fddefdbda-4d32-4b4e-878f-959a94af54c9%2Fimages%2F75c41a43-1a06-4b27-9d88-b7c0c2201122%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce 2.0: Kenji on Grilling Naan and Nicholas Morgenstern on Sundaes [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce 2.0: Kenji on Grilling Naan and Nicholas Morgenstern on Sundaes [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F5381f30c-e225-4fda-bd63-dc9128f19f2d%2Fimages%2F05fe3612-c4d6-4dea-bc33-a20329e10d5b%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Introducing Special Sauce 2.0, with guest Nick Morgenstern [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Introducing Special Sauce 2.0, with guest Nick Morgenstern [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Ffbd86647-d643-4ed1-9cd7-4b38ae7ae98e%2Fimages%2F156847c0-bea7-4710-bc9f-636ab22040ba%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Author Tom Roston on Post-9/11 New York as Victim and Survivor [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Author Tom Roston on Post-9/11 New York as Victim and Survivor [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F9584802f-6914-425f-9a12-fea162b6fe45%2Fimages%2F77a4169d-fabb-408e-bbe9-654f988d5a6a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Tom Roston on the Untold Stories of Windows on the World [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Tom Roston on the Untold Stories of Windows on the World [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F69d67111-030f-49f2-857f-0e57f89d73b4%2Fimages%2F06428f60-3a99-4ce0-9159-ba3b73cde838%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Representation in Food Media [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Representation in Food Media [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7ee72d6c-e131-4922-b3f3-6efe58d4792a%2Fimages%2Fe77f675a-a527-493d-83d9-f1401c478d53%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Her Journey From Quantum Physics to Racist Sandwich [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Soleil Ho on Her Journey From Quantum Physics to Racist Sandwich [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F4e7174d2-433b-4a51-84dd-4c5b2b68bfd5%2Fimages%2Fba4270b7-2011-47c3-b3d9-e97252076675%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on What's Next in Food Media [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on What's Next in Food Media [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fadd4119a-913a-4ea1-bb14-2289245cb9b6%2Fimages%2Fc7861060-83f5-41df-bc83-108eee3c4a96%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on Becoming Food Writers [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Matt Rodbard and Max Falkowitz on Becoming Food Writers [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F111069f1-f6a6-4e75-8b39-967886f7186a%2Fimages%2F435fa8bf-4802-49ea-8b5f-80f72bbd191e%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Writing Son of a Southern Chef [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Writing Son of a Southern Chef [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F3ad6af20-86a0-41a4-a06d-6b953f541a8e%2Fimages%2F9f6b28a6-c613-4f39-b7d3-fc264d816fc3%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Cooking on Camera and Being Okay With Who You Are [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Lazarus Lynch on Cooking on Camera and Being Okay With Who You Are [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd86f8dbb-9e8e-49a6-80c2-896bf99598b7%2Fimages%2F3ea85061-5dc3-47d8-9f1e-de039eb89388%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alvin Cailan on What “American Food” Means in 2019 [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Alvin Cailan on What “American Food” Means in 2019 [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fd5de17d5-801b-4725-9529-1b430d16563e%2Fimages%2Fc724981a-e134-4c5b-b0d4-85372fcf852a%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Eggslut’s Alvin Cailan on Ruckus-Causing as a Career Path [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Eggslut’s Alvin Cailan on Ruckus-Causing as a Career Path [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F6f96d993-5c80-402c-b8d1-01819ee1290a%2Fimages%2Ffded9817-9682-42d8-9f20-d8265f540ef5%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: Serious Eats Lives! [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: Serious Eats Lives! [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F98d29a49-2f0c-4577-b1ee-09c521ea5d8b%2Fimages%2F99ea578c-ead8-4ffb-b0ef-9c9ba3e3f38e%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: A Serious Eater Is Born! [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce Live, Ed Levine Edition: A Serious Eater Is Born! [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fa5ea9ed8-a7b8-4c26-843e-ec8c4aecfbad%2Fimages%2F2c97a266-30af-467e-8e98-7a152c881635%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Kitchen as Laboratory [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Kitchen as Laboratory [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2Fb92efb25-c6d9-4937-a4ab-fa7fe78a23f5%2Fimages%2F709abde6-42e6-490c-9941-8822108e80b5%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Stories Told by Seasoning [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Nik Sharma on the Stories Told by Seasoning [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F9ca97fcf-3db4-43d1-8de7-44b4e04fcbf7%2Fimages%2Fa74e03f3-1c7a-46b4-8f91-590e88686da2%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Priya Krishna on Cooking and Being "Indian-ish" [2/2]". Thumbnail for "Special Sauce: Priya Krishna on Cooking and Being "Indian-ish" [2/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F7596f87b-6d4c-44e4-a2f6-0822bb1f5c30%2Fimages%2F2a621cd8-5657-4dac-ae07-0403bb6a76fd%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
![Thumbnail for "Priya Krishna on Special Sauce: How Indian-ish Came to Be [1/2]". Thumbnail for "Priya Krishna on Special Sauce: How Indian-ish Came to Be [1/2]".](/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Ff.prxu.org%2F1809%2F3cc90cc6-a043-4e20-8a31-d047a375c869%2Fimages%2F6a18faad-6149-45c7-ad01-efc7121ac0e0%2FSpecial-Sauce-Logo-1536x1536.png&w=3840&q=75)
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I don't know how many serious eaters have heard of the brilliant, food-loving, and thought-provoking artist and writer Maira Kalman, but I've been a huge fan of hers for a long time now. So when I heard that she had recently co-written (with Barbara Scott-Goodman) and illustrated a cookbook, Cake, I knew I had to have her on Special Sauce.
Kalman worked with her late husband, Tibor, at the influential M & Co. design firm, where she worked on projects such as magazine covers and album design for David Byrne, and eventually took over the business. She's also the author and/or illustrator of many books, including Beloved Dog, And the Pursuit of Happiness, and The Principles of Uncertainty, and she famously provided the art for a new edition of The Elements of Style.
As an artist, Kalman seeks to represent joyful, meaningful moments: "All comfort is temporary. We know that to be a fact. But when you understand that, then you can really allow yourself to look at those moments during the day, and they become very important, and they're very shining moments.... And I think those are the happiest moments that people have, when you're alone and a fleeting something happens, and you feel a sense of joy. So, I'm looking for those."
Having established that she's passionate on the subject of food, we talked about Kalman's ideal setting for a meal:
"Room service breakfast in bed. Let's start with the basics. Usually, I've spent time traveling a lot, and I order breakfast in bed because I want to see how they serve it and what the dishes are and what's the tray in, what's the napkin, and I photograph it, and I do drawings, and I've done pieces for magazines. So, it's professional on my part. It's professional research. But I adore all the trappings of table settings and what goes around it. I would like to work in a hotel. I worked as a maid in an Irish castle for a few weeks, and that was heaven. I can see doing that. I'd like to get a job in a hotel, serving somebody else breakfast.
In this episode, you'll hear about what she'd serve for that hotel breakfast (in great detail), plus why she dislikes dinner parties and her special love for chairs that have been abandoned on the street.
Next week, we'll get into Kalman's new book, Cake, but this week's conversation will provide plenty of sustenance in the meantime.
The full transcript for this week's podcast episode can be found at Serious Eats.
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