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There's More to That

Smithsonian Magazine

Smithsonian magazine covers history, science and culture in the way only it can — through a lens on the world that is insightful and grounded in richly reported stories. On There's More to That, meet the magazine's journalists and hear how they discover the forces behind the biggest issues of our time.  Every two weeks, There’s More to That will give curious listeners a fresh understanding of the world we all inhabit.

Host and Smithsonian magazine editor Chris Klimek is a longtime public radio contributor and a frequent panelist on NPR’s Pop Culture Happy Hour podcast. His substantive conversations with journalists and culture-makers will make There’s More to That an essential listen for anyone seeking to understand today’s most pressing issues.

© 2023 - 2025 Smithsonian Magazine

Smithsonian magazine covers history, science and culture in the way only it can — through a lens on the world that is insightful and grounded in richly reported stories. On There's More to That, meet the magazine's journalists and hear how they discover the forces behind the biggest issues of our time.  Every two weeks, There’s More to That will give curious listeners a fresh understanding of the world we all inhabit.

Host and Smithsonian magazine editor Chris Klimek is a longtime public radio contributor and a frequent panelist on NPR’s Pop Culture Happy Hour podcast. His substantive conversations with journalists and culture-makers will make There’s More to That an essential listen for anyone seeking to understand today’s most pressing issues.

© 2023 - 2025 Smithsonian Magazine
11hr 34min
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With filmmaker Greta Gerwig's "Barbie" breaking box-office records, and devoting much of its story to Ken's existential crisis, we wondered if there's any more to Barbie's perennial plus-one.
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The James Beard Award-winning Dakar NOLA is at the forefront of a generation of fine-dining establishments determined to educate foodies about the true origins of “Southern” cuisine
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A food history writer and an influential podcast host tell us how our thinking about health and body weight has—and hasn’t—evolved ever since Dr. Lulu Hunt Peters took the nation by storm
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Thumbnail for "How Artificial Intelligence Is Making 2,000-Year-Old Scrolls Readable Again".
The innovative “Vesuvius Challenge” unlocked a mystery that had confounded archeologists for centuries
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Meet a roadkill scientist and a journalist tracking how roads mess with nature—and what we can do about it.
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Two perspectives on the astronomical phenomenon that has fascinated humans for as long as we’ve been watching the skies
Thumbnail for "The Man Behind "Manhunt"".
Meet James Swanson, the lifelong Abraham Lincoln obsessive who wrote the nonfiction thriller that inspired the new Apple TV+ miniseries.
Thumbnail for "Before Beyoncé and Taylor Swift Ran the World, There Was Joan Baez".
Today’s artists — especially women — are sometimes criticized for speaking out, but for Baez, art and activism were indivisible.
Thumbnail for "How to Separate Fact From Myth in the Extraordinary Story of Sojourner Truth ".
Two historians tell us why the pioneering 19th-century feminist, suffragist and abolitionist’s legacy has so frequently been misrepresented.
Thumbnail for "How We See Oppenheimer (redux)".
We look at prior dramatizations of this very complicated man—including one wherein J. Robert Oppenheimer played himself!
Thumbnail for "The Books We Loved ".
Smithsonian editors choose their favorite (mostly) nonfiction of (mostly) 2023
Thumbnail for "When Your Great-Great-Great-Grandfather Is a Civil War Hero ".
Can recreating photographs from the 19th century connect a family to its lost heritage?
Thumbnail for "Why Wildfires Are Burning Hotter and Longer".
As conflagrations become hotter and more difficult to contain, a citizen movement to try to manage them through “prescribed burns” is growing
Thumbnail for "How NASA Captured Asteroid Dust to Find the Origins of Life ".
The sample of the space rock Bennu that OSIRIS-REx collected could unlock an ancient existential mystery
Thumbnail for "Healing the Wounds of the Vietnam War".
Two perspectives on the 20th-century conflict look back, five decades after the fighting stopped, to discuss what was lost and what is remembered today
Thumbnail for " How the Osage Changed Martin Scorsese’s Mind About "Killers of the Flower Moon"".
"Killers of the Flower Moon" sets a new standard in its nuanced depiction of Osage life. In many prior Native-themed films, Hollywood didn’t even try.
Thumbnail for "A Brief History of Book Banning in America".
The censorship tactic that started with the Puritans 400 years ago had a massive resurgence across libraries and schools in 2022
Thumbnail for "Those Orcas Aren't Doing What You Think".
News reports about orca, otter and bird “attacks” has us wondering if maybe trying to understand animal behavior in human terms is the wrong approach.
Thumbnail for "Meet the WWII Battalion of Black Women That Inspired an Army Base’s New Name".
Retired Colonel Edna Cummings has spent years campaigning to get the 6888 the recognition they earned.
Thumbnail for "Beyond the Titanic: The Real Science of Deep Sea Exploration".
Two journalists tell us why understanding the ocean is key to humanity’s survival, and how while serious research and shipwreck tourism may have some overlap, they are two very different things.
Thumbnail for "What Happens When the Colorado River Dries Up?".
What happens when one of the nation's largest rivers dries up? Photojournalist Pete McBride tells us about the consequences of a prolonged drought.
Thumbnail for "How We See Oppenheimer. Plus: Smithsonian’s Inside Look at the Top-Secret Los Alamos Site".
We look at prior dramatizations of this very complicated man—including one wherein J. Robert Oppenheimer played himself!
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Smithsonian magazine journalists on how they discover the forces behind the biggest issues of our time

He's (Not) Just Ken: The True History of Barbie’s Beau

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July 27, 202325min 37sec

He is (K)enough… or is he? With filmmaker Greta Gerwig's Barbie breaking box-office records—and devoting much of its story to Ken's existential crisis—we wondered if there's any more to Barbie's perennial plus-one. Journalist and lifelong Barbie fan Emily Tamkin talks us through Ken’s development, or lack thereof, over the decades.

Read Emily’s “A Cultural History of Barbie,” and Chris’s brief Ken history “Not Your Average Beau,” here or in the June 2023 issue of Smithsonian. Emily is the author of The Influence of Soros: Politics, Power, and the Struggle for an Open Society and Bad Jews: A History of American Jewish Politics and Identities. Learn more about Emily and her work here, or subscribe to her Substack newsletter.

There’s More to That is a production of Smithsonian magazine and PRX Productions.

From the magazine, our team is Chris Klimek, Debra Rosenberg and Brian Wolly.

From PRX, our team is Jessica Miller, Genevieve Sponsler, Adriana Rozas Rivera, Terence Bernardo, and Edwin Ochoa. The Executive Producer of PRX Productions is Jocelyn Gonzales.

Episode artwork by Emily Lankiewicz.

Music by APM Music.