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The Recipe with Kenji and Deb

Deb Perelman & J. Kenji López-Alt

Hi, we’re Deb Perelman (Smitten Kitchen) and J. Kenji López-Alt (Serious Eats, The Food Lab, The Wok). We’re professional home cooks, which means we can - and will - make the same meal 57 times in a row on the quest for the perfect recipe. Is it crazy? For us, no, because we do this for a living. But for you? Yes, probably. Which is why you should listen to The Recipe with Kenji and Deb. You'll hear us talk about what goes into writing our recipes — the techniques we test, the ingredients we taste — so that you can be on your way to creating your own perfect recipe. Whether you're cooking meatloaf, pancakes, or chicken soup in all its forms, we got you, and you've got this.

The Recipe with Kenji and Deb is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX, a network of independent and listener-supported podcasts. Discover audio with vision at radiotopia.fm.

Deb Perelman & J. Kenji López-Alt

Hi, we’re Deb Perelman (Smitten Kitchen) and J. Kenji López-Alt (Serious Eats, The Food Lab, The Wok). We’re professional home cooks, which means we can - and will - make the same meal 57 times in a row on the quest for the perfect recipe. Is it crazy? For us, no, because we do this for a living. But for you? Yes, probably. Which is why you should listen to The Recipe with Kenji and Deb. You'll hear us talk about what goes into writing our recipes — the techniques we test, the ingredients we taste — so that you can be on your way to creating your own perfect recipe. Whether you're cooking meatloaf, pancakes, or chicken soup in all its forms, we got you, and you've got this.

The Recipe with Kenji and Deb is a proud member of Radiotopia from PRX, a network of independent and listener-supported podcasts. Discover audio with vision at radiotopia.fm.

Deb Perelman & J. Kenji López-Alt
13hr 27min
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The pragmatism and the pitfalls of stovetop mac and cheese.
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Chicken Soup
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the most American salad
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Onstage at SAL
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From our friends at Special Sauce with Ed Levine
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Deb and Kenji take more of your questions
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Deb and Kenji take your questions
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The one about asparagus
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Fired up for grilled chicken
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Lettuce discuss wedge salads
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Sandwichgate Revisited
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The paradox of tomato soup — best of winter AND summer
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Is there such a thing as too much pancake?
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Welcome to the Meatloaf Matrix
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New from Radiotopia, a podcast with Kenji Lopez-Alt and Deb Perlman
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From Radiotopia

Stovetop Mac and Cheese

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February 26, 202438min 16sec

Most people are familiar with the stuff in the blue box, but what might seem like a simple dish holds many nuances, from achieving that perfectly smooth cheese melt to avoiding greasiness or lumpiness. Find out why mac and cheese holds a special place in Kenji's heart and the results of Deb’s experience making Kenji’s three ingredient recipe.

Recipes Mentioned:

Deb’s Stovetop Mac and Cheese (courtesy of Smitten Kitchen)

Kenji’s Stovetop Mac and Cheese (courtesy of Serious Eats)

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Stovetop Mac and Cheese
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